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Gerd_Schopfel
10-21-2004, 01:40 PM
We all know how annoying and devastating the iL-2 Stumovik can be!? German and Finnish pilots encounter them everywhere in the front lines of the East. Anyways, my point is that on average I spit 70% of my bullets to down one Sturmovik! Yes one! There have been occasions when I use up all my ammmo to shoot one of them slabs to the ground. I attack those things from the rear at 300 meter range.
My question is: How can I down the iL-2 Sturmovik in a fighter (that has 4x .50 calliber machine guns) without using so much freaking ammo??

It's so frustrating when you run outta ammo and hopelessly see dozens more Sturmovik flying when you merely shot one or two of them bastards!

Gerd_Schopfel
10-21-2004, 01:40 PM
We all know how annoying and devastating the iL-2 Stumovik can be!? German and Finnish pilots encounter them everywhere in the front lines of the East. Anyways, my point is that on average I spit 70% of my bullets to down one Sturmovik! Yes one! There have been occasions when I use up all my ammmo to shoot one of them slabs to the ground. I attack those things from the rear at 300 meter range.
My question is: How can I down the iL-2 Sturmovik in a fighter (that has 4x .50 calliber machine guns) without using so much freaking ammo??

It's so frustrating when you run outta ammo and hopelessly see dozens more Sturmovik flying when you merely shot one or two of them bastards!

RavagerOCHW
10-21-2004, 01:44 PM
Shoot at the radiator at the bottom of the plane. If he smokes pick the next one. He will die in the next 5-10 minutes. This way you won´t get hurt by the tailgunner, too.

Gerd_Schopfel
10-21-2004, 01:45 PM
Uhmmm radiator.
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LStarosta
10-21-2004, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerd_Schopfel:
We all know how annoying and devastating the iL-2 Stumovik can be!? German and Finnish pilots encounter them everywhere in the front lines of the East. Anyways, my point is that on average I spit 70% of my bullets to down one Sturmovik! Yes one! There have been occasions when I use up all my ammmo to shoot one of them slabs to the ground. I attack those things from the rear at 300 meter range.
My question is: How can I down the iL-2 Sturmovik in a fighter (that has 4x .50 calliber machine guns) without using so much freaking ammo??

It's so frustrating when you run outta ammo and hopelessly see dozens more Sturmovik flying when you merely shot one or two of them bastards! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If it's a Brewster it has 2X.30 and 2X.50 caliber. Don't trail the d@mn plane from behind and pump bullets in its fuselage. Attack it from the front and aim for the engine, or more specifically the radiator.

Zen--
10-21-2004, 01:58 PM
300 meters is too far, get in point blank and fire at his cockpit. I tend to make steep diving attacks against them as well which helps foil the AI gunner.

Best thing is to be very very close however.

BuzzU
10-21-2004, 02:10 PM
They didn't call it the flying tank for nothing. Rear shots at 300m will never do the job. Do as stated above.

GT182
10-21-2004, 02:20 PM
Go for the wings. Cut one of them off and it'll go down fast. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Moog42
10-21-2004, 02:21 PM
Ah this one's easy... simply shoot one round straight through the pilot's head, if possible from such an angle that it also takes out the tail gunner. God's green earth will take care of the plane...

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Stiglr
10-21-2004, 02:33 PM
You sure-as-shooting are NOT going to get a pilot kill on a Sturmo from 6:00. I have never scored a pilot kill on a Sturmo, and have had numerous opportunities to make the entire cockpit glass area "light up with sparkles". Won't happen.

The oil cooler is a good bet, but if you're in a scenario where you're trying to stop the Sturmos wreaking havoc, that doesn't help much: the Sturmo can still fight for some time with a smoking engine, destroying targets with reckless abandon.

73GIAP_Milan
10-21-2004, 03:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Go vertical on them, come in from above pepper the cockpit and wings and dive out, set up a new attack... works for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

if you have the altitude; same recipe, but also come from under them, straight up, chances to hit radiator are great..

Marek_Steele
10-21-2004, 03:03 PM
Still, they are quite soft for 30mm, 2 or 3 shots falling near are enough to rip a wing apart. Gain speed from above, dive and from under, not directly at 6, shoot the closest wing out, repeat on the same wing if necessary. If he's flying too low, aim direclty at a wing while diving but again, maintain firing the 30mm to a steady point, don't be afraid to shoot a relatively long burst at close range.
If you play with 109s you'll learn to never sit on his 6, as you'll surelly get a black windscreen and a broken gunsight very quickly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

Chuck_Older
10-21-2004, 03:05 PM
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weasel75
10-21-2004, 03:34 PM
When attack frontal or from slightly above you may have luck with cannon-hits aiming for the wing-root.
But normally the radiator is the best (only?) way to go with small calibre.

The early IL2s had a weak spot behind cockpit, there was a unprotected fuel-tank. A well aimed burst to there set the IL-2 aflame.
But thats something I have never seen in IL-2/FB...

For practice: take 109F2/4 in QMB against 2 IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Good luck!

VW-IceFire
10-21-2004, 05:36 PM
Aim for the join between the armor plate on the top of the wing and the rest of the wing (made of wood on later models). This is one of the weak spots...that and the radiator.

A good portion of the IL2's structure was pure armor plate. Probably the toughest aircraft of WWII bar none.

SeaFireLIV
10-21-2004, 05:52 PM
Best give up, go home, tell the Kommandant it was too hard!

Freycinet
10-21-2004, 06:32 PM
Master sturmovik killer Erich Hartmann started firing about 60-70 m...

WTE_Galway
10-21-2004, 11:31 PM
what axis fighter has 4 x .50 cal ??

when in doubt take an A8 with 30mm or a G6 with mk108 nose and 151 pods and just hammer it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

otherwise .. at about 400 out do a shallow low yoyo diving below and slightly to one side of the Il2 and then at roughly 200 come up under it at about 60 degrees raking the bottom of the engine and fuselage .. you may even get a chance to invert and pop off a engine/cockpit shot from above before extending away though that is risky if the rear gunner is still alive and active

falco_cz
10-22-2004, 05:35 AM
Problems with IL2 is not "only" armor but aslo maneuvrability, in some cases on pair with Yaks.
The best had a 1600hp power and weight about 6000kg, despite of that it's able to pull some astounding aerobatics trick.
Maybe the weight spared by Oleg on IL2 was added to Me109G6, so the conservation of energy in space is still constant...

KGr.HH-Sunburst
10-22-2004, 05:55 AM
well the perfect Il2 Hunter is the BF110 with 2xmk108+ Bk3.7 or 4xMg151/20 ,it rips the il2 apart in a well aimed burst http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif best fun ever online IMO is taking out il2's with a 110

Gerd_Schopfel
10-22-2004, 07:14 AM
Yeah it's the American made Brewster that the Finish Air-Force used in early WWII. I thought it had 4x .50 callibers. Uhm I guess not. Anyways, thanks for all of you guys imput, I'll sure try them out when I get in the air this evening.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2004, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
well the perfect Il2 Hunter is the BF110 with 2xmk108+ Bk3.7 or 4xMg151/20 ,it rips the il2 apart in a well aimed burst http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif best fun ever online IMO is taking out il2's with a 110 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto...this is effective, but I still try to keep the shots high deflection. The best is when an IL2 tries to scissor and shows his head...POW POW POW!

GreyFox5
10-22-2004, 11:12 AM
Historically the oil cooler/radiator on the bottom was the target of choice. In FB I have found the outer wing areas are the weakest and have taken a IL2 down in a I-16 Type18 (Captured Finnish markings) The Bf-110G-2 with the R3M1: 2xMk108 + 2xMG 151/20 is an Uber IL2 kill if you can get on there 6.

Good luck and good hunting.

~S~ Fox

MystiqBlackCat
10-22-2004, 11:26 AM
I read this thread last night and tried my hand at downing a pair of IL-2's with a 109F4 and boy did I get my **** handed to me! Constantly diving and zooming for that perfect shot was a pain, I quickly found out how good their gunners were...about 5 or so times.

I found that from dead six at maximum ~100 meters or so if you zoom in on the sight you can snipe the radiator, although I only pulled it off three times. The AI normally dove while crabing or banked high to allow the gunner to take pot shots at me. It indeed was tough.

Afterward I took some revenge by hoppin' in a FW190A8 and downing 4 of em. Fun stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

El Turo
10-22-2004, 11:40 AM
Real men hunt Sturmos in G.50's

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jeroen_R90S
10-22-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Turo:
Real men hunt Sturmos in G.50's

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Easy as Dell, the Breda's pierce armor and radiators quite well. The G.50 is a very stable gun platform, but ssss....lll...oooo..wwww.

Talking of slow, real, real men go Sturmo hunting in J8A's!

Jeroen

Captain_Avatar
10-22-2004, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerd_Schopfel:
Yeah it's the American made Brewster that the Finish Air-Force used in early WWII. I thought it had 4x .50 callibers.
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When the Finns received the Brewster it only had a single .30 cal in the nose. They added a .50 cal to the nose and one in each wing. But I think in the game it's 4x.50 cal.

Carnage2681
10-23-2004, 01:22 AM
LOl, shoot at 60 - 50 meters

Nice one for the Super Sniper Ai Gunner !

And the Me-109 Oil Window Bug do the rest.

Artic_Wulf
10-23-2004, 01:39 AM
A couple of times I have found myself in turn fights with Sturmoviks on DF servers, the 109F4 V Il-2 makes for a great turn fight, provided nobody comes to his rescue.
Just wait for your opportunity to give him a burst with all guns in the fuselage where it connects to the tail plane.
Even an F4 can cut them in half, and they drop like a stone because they cannot fly with out a tail plane section.

S!

SheerLuckHolmes
10-23-2004, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Captain_Avatar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerd_Schopfel:
Yeah it's the American made Brewster that the Finish Air-Force used in early WWII. I thought it had 4x .50 callibers.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When the Finns received the Brewster it only had a single .30 cal in the nose. They added a .50 cal to the nose and one in each wing. But I think in the game it's 4x.50 cal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually when FAF got these planes they had 1 .30 cal and 3 .50 cal mg:s installed. Finns changed the .30 to .50 cal mg, so after the change BW:s had 4 cal .50 brownings in it.

SheerLuck Holmes