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slipBall
12-11-2006, 11:00 AM
I don't know why, but I thought that I would give this link to simHG pole question.
I would like to see the FW trainer in bob


http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=007295 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=007295)


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NO GUARANTEES but there is a chance we will get a German trainer in SoW:BoB. This isn't a wishlist, it's a straight choice, so answers below please.

Question: Which german training aircraft would be the best counterpart to the RAF's Tiger Moth?

a) Focke Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz (see here)
b) Bücker Bü 131 Jungmann (see here)


I'll give my answer to start things off - I'd like a Fw44 as the 131 looks too much like the Moth.

Still, no pressure

Please let us have your views ....

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Lynx42
12-11-2006, 12:01 PM
what about the Bf 108?

they've alright made the model all it needs is a cockpit

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf108_1.jpg

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf108_2.jpg

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf-108.jpg

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12-11-2006, 03:06 PM
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CHDT
12-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Simple question: why to lose ressources on the modeling of a trainer?

EDCF_Rama
12-11-2006, 04:17 PM
For you it's a loss of ressources, for others it's not.
There's not only one truth and only one whish in the world.

So Question: why?... Answer: because of the diversity of the player whishes.

CHDT
12-11-2006, 05:24 PM
Still don't understand the interest of a trainer. Most guys will fly it once or two and it will be all.

I could understand it if the fighters in the game were hard to fly, but they are not.

The developers ressource would be better used for other combat aircrafts, I'm thinking for instance to the Hampden or seeplanes like the He-115 or the Sunderland.

EDCF_Rama
12-11-2006, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by CHDT:
Still don't understand the interest of a trainer. Most guys will fly it once or two and it will be all.

I could understand it if the fighters in the game were hard to fly, but they are not.

I understand that you don't understand.
Please understand that other may have a different oppinion than you, even if you don't understand their oppinion.


The developers ressource would be better used for other combat aircrafts, I'm thinking for instance to the Hampden or seeplanes like the He-115 or the Sunderland.

Again, one oppinion. There are others

For myself, I absolutly have no Interest in a He-115 or a Sunderland... so in my own point of view, ressources spent on the modelling of these planes would be a waste and a loss.
BUT... if M:1C decide to model these planes, I would not complain, and even be happy for you, since I can understand that some like you have other expectation and wishes than I.

I assure you, that me and many others would be very happy with a German trainer (as well as with a British trainer), and would use it a lot.

JG54_Lukas
12-12-2006, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by CHDT:
Still don't understand the interest of a trainer. Most guys will fly it once or two and it will be all.

I could understand it if the fighters in the game were hard to fly, but they are not.

Not everyone who picks up a flight sim is an instant expert the first time they play it.

jasonbirder
12-12-2006, 02:21 AM
why to lose ressources on the modeling of a trainer?

Two reasons...

Firstly (and perhaps most importantly for 1C/UBI) FB/AEP/PF really lacked any good quality instructive training missions...as no doubt the publishers intend the game to sell well beyond the tiny (and shrinking) confines of the existing FB/AEP/PF community...this looks like an ideal opportunity to include some fun...programmed instruction type missions (maybe even voice over or am I hoping too much) that can get new users familiar with the sim and the basics of flight, navigation etc...

Secondly...I think it would be great FUN a cool training campaign...shooting patterns..point to point dead reckoning navigation...formation flying... low powered acrobatics in a nimble little biplane all sounds like a hoot to me!

TX-EcoDragon
12-12-2006, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by EDCF_Rama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHDT:
Still don't understand the interest of a trainer. Most guys will fly it once or two and it will be all.

I could understand it if the fighters in the game were hard to fly, but they are not.

I understand that you don't understand.
Please understand that other may have a different oppinion than you, even if you don't understand their oppinion.


The developers ressource would be better used for other combat aircrafts, I'm thinking for instance to the Hampden or seeplanes like the He-115 or the Sunderland.

Again, one oppinion. There are others

For myself, I absolutly have no Interest in a He-115 or a Sunderland... so in my own point of view, ressources spent on the modelling of these planes would be a waste and a loss.
BUT... if M:1C decide to model these planes, I would not complain, and even be happy for you, since I can understand that some like you have other expectation and wishes than I.

I assure you, that me and many others would be very happy with a German trainer (as well as with a British trainer), and would use it a lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. . . I've never been happier to hear of a new aircraft in this sim line than the SU26, but most folks here think it's a silly addon. I think that's just fine, the people here aren't the *only* people who might be interested in a good flightsim, and not everyone needs guns bombs and explosions to enjoy flying. If there was another sim with comparable fidelity for aerobatic flight I'd use that, but there isn't. Why should 1C pigeon hole themselves within the already niche flight sim market? Why not take one of the best flight sims ever and broaden it's scope so that a greater percentage of the sim community is interested in it?

I vote for the Jungman. A shared cockpit like FSX would be really cool, an extension of our current multicrew bomber system that could allow one person to fly while the other oversees.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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luftluuver
12-12-2006, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:

Two reasons...

Firstly (and perhaps most importantly for 1C/UBI) FB/AEP/PF really lacked any good quality instructive training missions...as no doubt the publishers intend the game to sell well beyond the tiny (and shrinking) confines of the existing FB/AEP/PF community...this looks like an ideal opportunity to include some fun...programmed instruction type missions (maybe even voice over or am I hoping too much) that can get new users familiar with the sim and the basics of flight, navigation etc...

Secondly...I think it would be great FUN a cool training campaign...shooting patterns..point to point dead reckoning navigation...formation flying... low powered acrobatics in a nimble little biplane all sounds like a hoot to me! Yes and if you don't get your wings you don't get to fly any of the other a/c.

Philipscdrw
12-12-2006, 08:20 PM
According to SimHQ, the Tiger Moth is added (due to great community desire, they say) and will have dual human control for online training!

So new pilots can be taught by a human aircraft in the same aircraft!

This technology should also allow multiple players to share operation of large bombers (i.e. seperate pilot and bombardier). Not everyone will find it useful, but those who do will find it VERY useful.

And the Tiger Moth was outfitted with racks for 8x20lb bombs at one desperate point in 1940 - a true Dad's Army defence aircraft... a German invasion of the UK in 1940 may be even more inplausable than the Lerche but it'd be quite fun to fight the Wehrmacht in Kent...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Platypus_1.JaVA
12-14-2006, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
According to SimHQ, the Tiger Moth is added (due to great community desire, they say) and will have dual human control for online training!

So new pilots can be taught by a human aircraft in the same aircraft!

Isn't that a great feature? I've been longing for this since Forgotten Battles. Cr@p, it is even possible that Oleg took notice of my posts for this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He was still visiting the UBI forums in those days.

I guess anyone who is with a squad will recognize the following situation. A new pilot joins your squad and is really eager to learn some good flying and wants to know about every trick. He'll get some hints and tips on the forums, sometimes supported with screenie's or even a pre-made track. However, If you want to show the newbee some tricks, it will be better if you fly the aircraft yourself, do the trick and make some comments. After you are done, you should let the newbee try to replicate it and correct him verbally if possible. Currently, that is impossible to do now online. You can do it by visiting each-other and flying in the QMB a bit. But that is not an option because squadron members do live often far apart. With the inclusion of a trainer aircraft, you finally have a perfect learning tool at your disposal. The newbee is happy that he can learn a few tricks and the experienced virtual pilot is happy that he can teach.

It would be great to have this in BoB. It is probably still not defenite is this aircraft and feature will be in the final product of course.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
12-14-2006, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Lynx42:
what about the Bf 108?

they've alright made the model all it needs is a cockpit

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf108_1.jpg

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf108_2.jpg

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/bf-108.jpg

most likely the "why not" is because the Bf 108 is not a trainer, it is a four place liason/communication/sport aircraft

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-14-2006, 07:54 PM
Jungman. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And as Luft' said - no wings if you don't pass. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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