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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:31 PM
I reckon a lot of the 3rd party programmers and mission builders would be willing to allow ther projects to be included.

This would be of particular benefit to the newcomers.

Why contact the authors of these projects:

Uber Demons Quick Mission Generator,
Shift_E's Quick Mission Tuner,
NiewView,
IL-2 Stab,
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer
IL-2 Manager,
IL2DCG,
IL-2 Mat

And any other projects worthy of inclusion?
What do you guys think?


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:31 PM
I reckon a lot of the 3rd party programmers and mission builders would be willing to allow ther projects to be included.

This would be of particular benefit to the newcomers.

Why contact the authors of these projects:

Uber Demons Quick Mission Generator,
Shift_E's Quick Mission Tuner,
NiewView,
IL-2 Stab,
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer
IL-2 Manager,
IL2DCG,
IL-2 Mat

And any other projects worthy of inclusion?
What do you guys think?


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Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm).

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:54 PM
Wow. Thats just too sensible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

What a cracking idea!

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:54 PM
Several of the addons (patches/upgrades) we have recieve, since the very beguinning, had third party developers time investiment to them.


In what concerns to aircrafts, all 3rd P. projects must follow the guidelines imposed by 1C, be it policount, fidelity, quality and avaiability into the Theatre of Operations.
Even after all the visual work is done, and it took an awfull amount of time from the modeler, that's when the real work beguins for 1C.
They have to provide an accurate flight model to the aircraffts, with all its bells and wistles, but also with its negative impacts.
Weapon distribution, power, accuracy and disperson cone, will also take a lot of work.
All of the above is relying, first and foremost, with the avaiability of enough information about the aircrafts in question.

The Medelers work alone, is acounted as a mere 30% of the full implementation of a new aircraft into the game.



In what concerns to 3rd P. programs, 1C provides enough edit options, in order to not beeing necessary to rely on outside coding.
Are they worthy? Yes, but there is no need to do any implementation, since these programs work perfectly as a 3rd P. addon, built, raised and matured by the community itself.

The quality of a good game, is allways seen from its community point of view.
If a game, like this, with such a low share market, when compared with other genre of games, didn't had such a strong community support, it would have died a long time ago,





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Message Edited on 10/15/0302:01PM by resev

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:07 PM
resev I don't mean aircraft models etc...

Did you read the list I included?

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:09 PM
Good idea!

add some skins by the community as well, ie. leadsplitters p40 skins are great!



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:20 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- resev I don't mean aircraft models etc...
-
- Did you read the list I included?



Did you read the second part of that post?

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fluke39
10-15-2003, 02:32 PM
resev wrote:

"The Medelers work alone, is acounted as a mere 30% of the full implementation of a new aircraft into the game"


Aircraft modeller : person who devotes lots of time and effort to bring us new planes to fly in FB

Aircraft medeller: person who devotes lots of time and effort in UBI forum to screw up an aircraft's FM because they either like it or have been shot down by it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:44 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- resev wrote:
-
- "The Medelers work alone, is acounted as a mere 30%
- of the full implementation of a new aircraft into
- the game"
-
-
- Aircraft modeller : person who devotes lots of time
- and effort to bring us new planes to fly in FB
-
- Aircraft medeller: person who devotes lots of time
- and effort in UBI forum to screw up an aircraft's FM
- because they either like it or have been shot down
- by it



LOL, right on the money /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:22 PM
If they put those things on the add on disk... which is a great idea... will it make UBI financially responcible for those products? Meaning it would make sence to give some kind of gradidtude to dedicated community members who created those wonderfull applications. But i don`t see this happening /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif It appears to me that this sim and this comminity was pushed into farest corner of their room /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:49 PM
Considering the projects on my list are available for free anyway I don't forsee that the contributers would expect renumeration.
But I could be wrong.

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Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm).

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:53 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- Considering the projects on my list are available
- for free anyway I don't forsee that the contributers
- would expect renumeration.
- But I could be wrong.

Yes, but once they are going into pay-addon... it`s all politics and stuff IMO. But it would be nice addition for those who on dial-up or don`t even have internet connections...and in public in general. I am sure that there are people who never heard of those cool a little apps

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:58 PM
I wish they would put all hammerds skins as defualt in the game, now that all servers have skin dls off some of the top downloaded skins from il2skin.com would be a great addon to be encrypted in sfs so we dont have to deal with lagg issues of skin transfers.

Also if they do decide to put all the utils in I hope they write a little faq where to find the latest updates because they get updated alot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW whats this niewview thing? I see posts here and on simhq about people changing the pilots eye view height, whats that about.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 04:52 PM
What, adding freely available 3rd party addons to the game to improve it even more?!
That's just madness! Madness I tell you!!!

Extreme_One wrote:
- I reckon a lot of the 3rd party programmers and
- mission builders would be willing to allow ther
- projects to be included.
-
- This would be of particular benefit to the
- newcomers.
-
- Why contact the authors of these projects:
-
- Uber Demons Quick Mission Generator,
- Shift_E's Quick Mission Tuner,
- NiewView,
- IL-2 Stab,
- Hardball's Aircraft Viewer
- IL-2 Manager,
- IL2DCG,
- IL-2 Mat
-
- And any other projects worthy of inclusion?
- What do you guys think?
-
-
-
- S! Simon.
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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:07 PM
AirBot I think your sarcasm may be wasted here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:10 PM
They just need to ask permissions of the authors of these 3rd party programs or skins before they bundle them. If UBI wants to give them a token of appreciation ( I leave it up to them) then they can do it. If the authors don't want to be distributed then that's fine to. Problem solved. I bet all those guys would love to get included on the CD even for little or no reward other than getting their stuff out there! And the recognition that they deserve for putting out such great stuff for FB!!


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Message Edited on 10/15/0305:11PM by Snoop_Baron

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 10:08 PM
I would not be against it at all, that is having UQMG added to the CD. I don't want to speak out of turn, but Shift_E may feel the same way as me... I have been working with him and I have the latest of his QMT and it is superb (not released yet)... but that will come later.

I would make an updated installation for their CD though.

All UBI would have to do is put a big disclaimer saying, use at your own risk, Ubi/Maddox are not responsible etc...

Those of you who use UQMG saw already a disclaimer that states Ubi/Maddox/1C are NOT responsible for my application.

There are plenty of other cool applications... but I think that a huge collection of skins would be outstanding. Put an extra CD for that in my opinion. I'll pay the extra $1 that it would cost for an extra CD with skins.

(all my humble opinions)



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 10:56 PM
I have an addon cd for Jane's WWII Fighters that was free, except for the cost of shipment and the production of the cd. I believe that some of Hammerd's old WWII Fighter skins are on there, as well as a TON of stuff from the community . . . Missions, utilities, flight models, etc. I see no reason why a CD could not be produced for IL2/FB in the same manner. It could even be a commercial venture, if the contributors were able to come up with a plan for such a thing. Even though the addons on the cd that I own are still (SOME of them, anyway) available elsewhere, it was still worth way more to me to have the convenience of all those goodies in one place, on one CD.


Just a thought /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 11:05 PM
be nice to have some campaigns included
i belive if they included the 3rd party should get something
otherwise its sorta like stealing, and selling it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

adlabs6
10-15-2003, 11:10 PM
I would like this, but because of the politics of money, I don't have much hope.

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 08:24 PM
UBI should also throw in a CD containing the best of the "Movies" being made by community members(with the creators permission of course, which they would surely receive quite easily). That would be great marketing!!!

Buyers of the Pay Addon Package would then be able to pass around the Movie Disc (Not the Sim/AddOn disc!) to their friends to show them how great IL2:FB is, thereby leading to many additional Sales of FB and the Addon to New Customers!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 01:09 AM
I agree with extreme one.
& oberstwily(think I got the spelling right this time,wily/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )
All issues could be worked around,if UBI wanted to.
Even if it were to add to the cost of the add on
I wouldn't care.