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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:48 PM
I have found a new way to have fun with FB. Dive bombing airfields! I love the P47 but I cannot get kills with it. I know you are supposed to boom and zoom but with the screwy roll rate it is impossible to maneuver for a kill during a dive. Especially when everyone is turning and burning below you!

However, I can rack up two, three, and one time four kills at once with a 1000 pounder! It all depends on how many planes are spawning below. The real danger comes from the flak since I must circle above the field waiting for some victims to spawn. The good news is that the flak isnt so bad at 3000 meters and the new dust plumes make them easy to spot!

Now I get accused of vulching alot but I just tell people I wasn't vulching, rather I was dive bombing. They get mad but hey, war is hell.

So is it vulching or is it a legit ground attack action?

Col. Tibbetts

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:48 PM
I have found a new way to have fun with FB. Dive bombing airfields! I love the P47 but I cannot get kills with it. I know you are supposed to boom and zoom but with the screwy roll rate it is impossible to maneuver for a kill during a dive. Especially when everyone is turning and burning below you!

However, I can rack up two, three, and one time four kills at once with a 1000 pounder! It all depends on how many planes are spawning below. The real danger comes from the flak since I must circle above the field waiting for some victims to spawn. The good news is that the flak isnt so bad at 3000 meters and the new dust plumes make them easy to spot!

Now I get accused of vulching alot but I just tell people I wasn't vulching, rather I was dive bombing. They get mad but hey, war is hell.

So is it vulching or is it a legit ground attack action?

Col. Tibbetts

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:52 PM
It is vulching by bombs...

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:53 PM
Cippacometa wrote:
- It is vulching by bombs...
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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:13 PM
vulching is vulching, whether you strafe, rocket or bomb, and i dont give a damn who does it till you do it to me, but hey $hit happens, you can always just hit respawn, it only gets annoying if some phool keeps strafing you as soon as you respawn.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:29 PM
rocketing is better, that way you can fly throught the shrapnel as he explodes


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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:43 PM
McTriggerhappy wrote:
- rocketing is better, that way you can fly throught
- the shrapnel as he explodes
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True true/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:44 PM
Col_Tibbetts wrote:

- So is it vulching or is it a legit ground attack
- action?

Are you kidding? It's ABSOLUTELY LEGIT! What are you supposed to do with a Stuka? Dogfight in it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just like armor or motor columns, airfields are fair targets. Personally, I'm a pro vulching person. Even though I rarely get the chance to do it. But using a bomber on an airfield is something that even the anti-vulch people can't legitimately complain about.

And I agree with your sentiment. I love using the Stuka on airfield bombing runs. The real trick is to get away without getting blasted out of the sky by AAA or (if they're smart) the CAP. Bring an escort.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:18 PM
I like it, but I can't hit anything. I'm getting better though.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:24 PM
I like dive bombing, it can be very fun to drop your flaps and roll over on your unsuspecting prey and blast to them to oblivion. But what I really like to do is to find a mountainous map, grab my P-47 and a nice cammo skin and go in nape of the earth, as fast as she can fly and skip bomb them. Almost always I get missed by any CAP and all I have to contend with is flaq which the fifties do a great job of silencing. Try it, it does work. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:28 PM
Of course.

The question is: does anyone enjoy being dive bombed? It's a matter of taste. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:33 PM
I thought Vulching was killing someone on takeoff.That,s not fair. Dive bombing them sounds pecfectly reasonable and a lot of fun.

In CFS 1&2 multiplayer, most of the guys would hop into Hurricanes and turn & burn like a swarm of bumblebees at 200'. I would get into my Spitfire MKIX, climb high, and boom & zoom those bees. Great fun. And yes, someone would always get steamed about it.

Then of course he would climb high and take me on in the clouds. Even better fun.

Flight sims are three dimensional!!!. Anybody who says fly low and slow like me and don't rock the boat is just a whiner and should buy a tank sim instead.



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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:38 PM
Uh-oh, wait a second... are you bombing them while they are taking off or while they are dogfighting at very low level and you just get them with the bomb blast?

One sounds really neat but the other would be vulching sorry to say.



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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:26 PM
Vulching in bombers is perfectly acceptable and honorable in my oppinion. Anyone who manages to bring an IL2 or Ju-87 to the enemy base in one piece deserves to get a few so called easy kills. What does bug me is when the map has no AAA and no other bases. Then vulching in almost anything can quickly become very annoying. About the only vulchers I get really ticked off at are those who vulch in Me 262's or I-153's. Both are nearly impossible to defend against.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:33 PM
Easy to defend against 262 ir i153.
Take tb3, don't take off, when they came at you, jump in gunner pos and shoot them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 08:03 PM
Bombing and rocketing others is considered okay with me. I really hate ppl with big cannon planes that just spray away at your plane, time after time and rack up some undeserved kills.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 08:14 PM
pdog1 wrote:
- Easy to defend against 262 ir i153.
- Take tb3, don't take off, when they came at you,
- jump in gunner pos and shoot them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- TB3 can usualy survive and 262 flames readily. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Very rarley can a 262 vulching at full speed be taken out by flak or parked bombers on anti-vulch duty. Just speaking from memory/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 08:23 PM
I live for dive bombing, in fact I've graduated myself from the Stuka to the HE-111 (aka Heilkel) and have actually had some dogfights with the nose gun, good control. I'll start far away and climb to at least 5000 M (takes awhile) and come diving down 0 throttle full airbrakes, screaming sirens, little bit red in the face, love it. On the way back up switch over to rear gunner and pop some shots on the ones you missed. When I get the very angry pilots chasing me, (knowing I'm going down soon) I fly near the base again and Kamikaze the rest of them, not before I bail out. Funny watching your plane go down in flames while you float down into their base, surprised nobody tries to pick me off in the air.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 08:30 PM
dive bombing is cool and takes work to pefect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif bf109k 500lb is mean lol ,

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:22 PM
Bombs & rockets aren't vulching - at least not when dropped from Stukas, 111s or IL-2s. In fact, with those ac even guns are fair.

It's not like those who complain about 'vulching' with those ac were going to let you fly away when they got some speed up and <u>they</u> had the advantage, were they? Your only chance to get away is to kill everything on the ground and run for it while the defenders are down. Of course, like MajDeath said, to be fair the airfields should be defended by AAA so you can't loiter indefinately, being an annoying tool /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif - unless you do some hard work on the AAA first.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:28 PM
i dont like vulchers but i dont think that bombing or strafing with bombers is like vulching.
and btw me 262 and p47 are not bombers so if that planes drops bombs is ok but if they vulch with guns it sucks.

And about planes that are taking off... once the wheels are in the air its fair to fire at them. Just dont take off if there are enemies near.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:35 PM
Vulching is vulching no matter how it's done.

That said, if your a bomber, (IL-2, He 111, TB-3 etc.), that is how you attack. I can live with that.

I consider a fighter pilot a chicken $*it vulcher if he strafes a/c on the ground with engines running, taking off and less that 100M off the ground or landing w/gear down (less than 100M off the ground).

It's a matter of personal pride with me. Under the above situations I leave them alone. It's a game after all. Nobody really dies and that pilot will respawn. And, if he "wins", my kids will not live under a repressive regime!

If it was RL, get 'em when and where you can. The only good enemy is a dead one!

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:42 PM
Couldn't see how anyone would enjoy dive bombing anything...


Oops.. did I say that out loud?!?!? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 10:32 PM
Vulching is ok, but what I really hate are the guys who let you get a foot off the ground and shoot you, then say it isn't vulching.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 10:51 PM
I reckon anything that forces aircraft to fly above 1000m in a DF server that has Maximum difficulty settings is a good thing,because then you are recreating reality, in an alledged full reality server in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 10:56 PM
I don`t think vulching exist... vulch away. I hate being shot down on the runway...probably more then anything...and if i do....it`s my own fault to begin with..wasn`t carefull enough. Bomb away!

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 10:56 PM
It's only vulching if you do it on a server that says "No vulching!" That's the only place it ever happens to me and always by a fighter-jock who's so freakin' lame that he can only shoot down other guys when they have their flaps and landing gear deployed.

Using a ground-attacker in its intended role is not vulching, PARTICULARLY if you use bombs or rockets to do the job.

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 03:24 PM
I agree with most posts here. A bomber is okay to use this way. I fighter with a bomb you would probably catch some flak for using. Stuka's and other bombers similar are used like this with no problem. Strafing newly spawned aircraft just plain sux. I will strafe the airfield, fuel tanks, AA batteries, trucks and things like that. But I will steer clear of newly spawned aircraft, aircraft landing or taking off. I dont look for them when I fly a Stuka or 111. If I see a plane that has taken a neutral stance in the fight and is making an approach he is safe, from my guns anyway. There are times that a plane appears to be using the airfield as a means to evade. This one might get shot. And a plane that has taken off is safe until he engages someone, or has some altitude and I believe has a chance to maneuver. But as far as bombing goes, its great fun. Only problem is, getting the bomber to the intended target. Thats why most people wont say anything about it. And its not a constant thing like a fighter hovering waiting for a spawn. If you spawn and see a bomber coming you can almost avoid getting killed anyway. And if you do get killed, like I said its a one shot deal. You respawn and go get the bomber that did it lol.

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 04:59 PM
Dive bombing in bombers is cool, especially in servers like TX-OC3 where there are enough people to defend bases and it is encouraged(similar to Air Warrior); I'm trying to tighten up my technique myself. But what is not cool is people on teams outnumbering oppontents like 2 to 1, or very few players period and guys hovers over base in 262; they're like flying rocket pods and give nobody any chance. IMHO thats just kinda lame, but you know, everybody feels differently.

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 09:39 PM
After races, if there is any debris on the runway, I strafe it so that it blows up, viola!! no more debris.

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