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skycaptain_1
06-10-2006, 04:52 PM
I love my spit, don't get me wrong...she will always be my first love.

But I can't help myself...I want to fly the 190! The problem is which one!! There's loads of them.

I'll probably fly it like the spit for the first month or so anyway..lol.

So help me out...what would you recommend?...

don't flame me this is a serious question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers!

Stackhouse25th
06-10-2006, 04:55 PM
depending on whats available. most of my engagements in the FW190 are weak. I personally find it challenging to fly, and it is easily out classed if the planeset is not specific enough.

the A4 is best manueverable. The A8 and A9 are decent, although more players pick the A8 over the A9.

faustnik
06-10-2006, 04:58 PM
All the Fw190 models are good. My favorite has to be the A6 for fighter duty and the Fw190A5@1.65ata http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif for Jabo work.

Just keep your speed up, don't press too hard in a DF, and find a wingman, then you'll be good.

JG53Frankyboy
06-10-2006, 05:00 PM
shouldnt that depend on the timeframe of the mission ?!?!?!

the best, well, propably the Fw190D9'44

Brain32
06-10-2006, 05:02 PM
Now you're talking like a man. AS for the choice, it depends but Dora is apsolutely best(weakest firepower though), A9 is the best Anton IMO, A6 is nice but kinda slowish.

I'll probably fly it like the spit for the first month or so anyway..lol.
I doubt that although stalling and spining will make you a hard target http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.
Anyway you phisically can't fly a FW like a Spit, especially Anton. Forget about turning completely, forget about climbing also(especially with Anton), forget about seeing your target when you shoot...
But don't give up and you will not regret it, because one time you master it you will barely want to fly anything else. Flying a Tempest would be nice for a less painfull transition period...

CD_kp84yb
06-10-2006, 05:11 PM
Just pick one.

The A6 is a nice one, or the F8 , funny how she flies like a fighter.
The dora 44 is a good one, but as al FW's you must have some sadomasochist blood running through your veigns if you fly FW.

Hahahaha, the first time you will to speak new words (dont let the neighborehood hear you) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

regards

danjama
06-10-2006, 05:17 PM
D944/A9

fordfan25
06-10-2006, 05:19 PM
as long as you are mostly BandZ its a GREAT plane.in previose versions i would not dogfight in the FW with anything but now if your good in it it is a match for a 47 and 51 and to a lesser ectent a 38. USSR and brit planes do not Dfight. its weaons IN the A5 and up are IMHO the best in the game once you get used to the rise and fall off the rounds. it has a DM like a 47 should and runs kool. in a proper plane set it is pleanty fast. only thing i dont like is the terrible forward veiw. but in 334th ect i get FAR more kills and live longer than in any other plane i fly "47,51,38,F4u"

leitmotiv
06-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Try the sport model: A-4 and delete the outboard MG/FF 20mm cannons. Historical opponents: Spit VB, Hurricane IIC, Yak-1, early LaGG-3s.

carguy_
06-10-2006, 05:34 PM
Too hard of a transition.Both are like day and night.Pick the Pony C first,then D.It`s flying style is similar to FW190 but it`s way more forgiving.

When you get the idea how to fly it,pick a FW190D9,then FW190A9 then FW190A4.

You will hate the plane if you go straight to what I list here as later variants.

Xiolablu3
06-10-2006, 05:44 PM
I love the FW190A and D.

Although it can be outclassed if its not one of the fastest planes on the map, it often is the fastest.

Channel '42 Spitfire Vb vs Fw190A4, FW190 owns it.

Anything between 1941 and 1943 without a La5 or Spitfire Mk9, FW190A is arguably the best plane to use, especially if you want firepower or protection, say for Jabo or bomber killer.

Once there is a La5 or Spitfire 8/9 FW190A is vulnerable again although the FW190A8 can still outrun Spitfire, dont think it can outrun the La5FN in the game(although it SHOULD DO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

FW190 gets competetive again with the FW190D in late 1944.

As for which one to pick I would say pick the best one for the year. 1942 is a very good year for the FW190A4 (its top dog), and 1944 for the Fw190D9.(one of the top dogs)

Think speed not turning and you have an easier time. Also remember, the more you turn, the more speed you lose. Fight in the vertical as much as possible and be sure to be above your target before you engage so that you can dive on him. If he is above you then get the hell out of dodge and come back when the odds are mroe favourable (this is what the speed is good for)

slipBall
06-10-2006, 05:51 PM
Start at the beginning, work your way up, learn and fly them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Xiolablu3
06-10-2006, 05:56 PM
TigerTalon did speed tests of the FW190 series if anyone is interested over at the UKdedicated forum:

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php...ighlight=speed+tests (http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?t=10155&highlight=speed+tests)

Good tests, the La series is in there too. Interestingly the new FW190A5 1.65 ATA is as fast as a FW190A8 at sea level, yet I remember lots of moaning when it came out, about it being slow? Confused.

TX-Zen
06-10-2006, 06:12 PM
D9 44' all the way darling

WarWolfe_1
06-10-2006, 07:25 PM
I want to fly a FW!!


Whats wrong with you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.......Go fly a Jug, D-10 is the shizznit! HeHe

skycaptain_1
06-11-2006, 01:28 PM
Hey, thanks for all the reply's!!

My heart wants to fly the earlier ones because I feel the extra power and weight of later fighters makes them hard to fly as a first go!

Depending on the plane set I think I'll try the A6. The 190's have a great sound in this game, I'm looking forward to my first sortie!

The pony remark was interesting, I started flying this game in a P51 but quickly found that it was outclassed or that I was flying it the wrong way?!

Anyhow I think I'll enjoy the transition, I know how to fly boom and zoom as well as turn fighting. I like the gun stability the 190's have compared to the spitfires!

leitmotiv
06-11-2006, 02:10 PM
I think you can play the redoubtable early (A-4/5) FWs just about any way you want with clever stick/rudder/throttle work. The inline Dora, to me, is all power with not much finesse, but it is a terrific airplane.

karost
06-11-2006, 02:34 PM
in DFServer I can play long if say in fw190A9

hit[hard] and run[fast]

the funny thing is take A9 over 8.5K and jump to P-47 at 6.9K LOL

bad thing happen when I run back to a wrong place ( red side ) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



S!

lowfighter
06-11-2006, 02:47 PM
good old marvelous A4 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DEY_RAVEN_UK
06-12-2006, 12:44 AM
The map determins the type of FW190 i fly. If there is plenty of cloud base i will take an A6.
(A6 will turn with most planes for a short while and can be used like any fighter not just B&Z as long as you have an escape ie clouds or good hight advantage)and good engine managment is critical.
If there is little cloud base then i will take a D9 and to escape i will use its speed plus engine management is not as critcal as the Antons.

WOLFMondo
06-12-2006, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The inline Dora, to me, is all power with not much finesse, but it is a terrific airplane.

On the contrary, the Dora is all about finesse. Its not a brute like an A8.


Originally posted by TX-Zen:
D9 44' all the way darling

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

100% agreed!!

Dora is where its at. Best fighter in this sim. Just wish it had a bomb rack too.

skycaptain_1
06-12-2006, 03:40 AM
Well I took the A6 for a spin on hyper last night...

I got three kills on the first sortie, I must admit this plane can handle a kicking I lost my rudder and most of my elevators flying against La's and spits(25lb) And I still found i could bring it home!

I jumped in the spit at the end of the night and found the difference in power to be immence! Yes I know it's a different year... Although the spits boost seems more immediate, the 190 seems to like a long shallow climb building up speed as it goes.

If the dora fly's/manouvers as well as the A6 I'll have a look at that one. As my A6 couldn't outrun the La's I was in with...

guns are awsome though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

whiteladder
06-12-2006, 06:18 AM
It took me a long time to get a handle on flying a FW(and I`m still not great at it), I pretty much don`t fly anything else now.

Most of the golden rules have all ready been mentioned,I would just restress a few.

You right that some A models seem a bit sluggesh in the acceleration stakes, Once you are up to combat speed (450KPH+) easy back on the throttle to below 100%. You will find it sits there quite happily. Good temperature control is essential, because when you get in a fix you want to be able to run at 110% for the max amount of time. You will find you can out distance a Typhoon for example because he can`t run at full boost as long as you.

The Fw is one of the few planes where I actively look to make head on passes, it is built like a brick and the firepower to match. If I approach a Spit and he breaks just keep going, don`t follow him(there are some caveats)just keep going. The Spit driver will be yanking hard to get on your 6, losing energy all the way. Once you have enough turning room (1800m or so), make a turn back to him. I like to make a nose low turn into them, aiming to put my self slightly lower than them, it will make you harder to see against the ground, more importantley it will give the spit driver a harder time determining his open fire point. Most important start firing early, they won`t like the bullets wizzing past and more than likely disrupt his aim. Just a few hits are needed to knacker his engine or degrade his perfomance. Just keep on the repeated head on`s, until you kill him or he runs. The most important thing to remember with the head on is once you have past each other check which way he is turning and TURN the other way, this is extremely important!. This is called a two circle fight, if you turn in the same direction and haven`t given your self enough room the superior turning performance of the the Spit will defeat you, alway turn in the opposite direction.

The caveat to the above is this, any FW will have poorer turning performance compare to a Spit, while they are in the same plane. If you manouver out of plane in the vertical you can keep with them, give youself enough lead to come barreling down and take a snap shot as they pass you nose.

Also remember that you will have more ammo than almost any opponent, if you look like you will get a snap shot fire early and let them fly through the stream. It will only take a few hits to start getting on top of them.

LEBillfish
06-12-2006, 09:07 AM
I fly the FW "a lot".....Now I'm no expert by any means, yet I think you will find it much more capable then what even some here are saying.

It's a zoom and boomer.....sure, it does that well, and will out climb on the pass side most making them lose E and often flounder stalling just as uo flip back over to make another pass. As a tip, kick your flaps to combat at the top of the climb, that little bit of control as they're trying to recover from a stall often enough.

Yet in contrast to what many are saying here, it is also a "turn and burn" plane if you fly it right........Remember, it's in the "roll" that the 190 excels. So roll into position then use the elevator to help assist. Once you lock on to someone, if you need a bit more turn out of it, try combat flaps raising and lowering them as you need for speed.......Also, need a bit more turn?...Drop your throttle.

When it gets too much though run, then suddenly climb hard, hammerhead over, attack, then run on again.

But learn to turn it, some refuse which is fine, yet nothing panics an opponent more then when your 190 is suddenly out turning them.

My fav's are as follows in order......
A4
A5 1.65ata
A5
A6
A8

I really do NOT like the D or F series.....But that is probably due more to my style.

Brain32
06-12-2006, 09:22 AM
Don't know against which planes are you fighting in a FW190A's but they sure not Spitfires, yes all this works against most planes, but against a half-brained Spit pilot you don't stand a chance in any kind of manouvering. BnZ exclusively and 2 passes max in an Anton, Dora is another story but not too much different.
Haven't played early scenarios for a long time but 43-45 no way I'm going to stop to DF, if I pick something up on my way - good, if not I'm getting to he11 out of dodge...
My standard is A9 or A8, twin "gun of Rambo" in the wings and I fly at not less than 500kmh, with a buddy things change but solo...no way. IMO ofcourse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

whiteladder
06-12-2006, 09:25 AM
Yet in contrast to what many are saying here, it is also a "turn and burn" plane if you fly it right


I agree but with the proviso that it depends what you are up against. One of my favourite maps online is the NW_Europe map on Spits v 109`s. I know the reds on there will make a B line for the trains in the marshalling yards and convoys along the road. I avoid gaining altitude on that map, instead stay really low and follow the hill line south. There is a steady stream of P38, Typhoons fixated on those trains, who never see you coming and if they do make perfect TnB fodder. I have to say though if I stumble into a Spit I revert to type and go back to energy tactics.