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K_Freddie
11-15-2007, 01:40 PM
This has happened only on ADW and on the last 3 times I got shot down. It's happened only with a Rata behind me, where my view suddenly goes wonky, and there is no way to reset it. On exiting the game the mouse cursor moves continuously.

Watch the track with pilot view on. at the end the view says goodbye and there's no way to control this, so the inevitable.

Has THIS (V4.08 ntrk) (http://www.vanjast.com/IL2Movies/ADWPossibleCheat.ntrk) happened to anyone else

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RegRag1977
11-15-2007, 02:49 PM
This is incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

it would be horrible if cheaters could disable your view like that...

Luckily it never happened to me!

K_Freddie
11-15-2007, 03:15 PM
I forgot to mention that it hasn't happened with all Rata's I encountered.
It first occured a few days ago, but I ignored it and deleted that track as I thought my PC had a mouse hiccup.
Then it happend 2x tonight out of 4 Rata encounters. I usually start recording when the action commences, and here it is.

Thinking I'd bumped my IR mouse, I turned the mouse on it's back, and it occured once again, so my tentative deduction is that the mouse view has been hacked as it occurs at THE critical moment of flying.
???

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-15-2007, 03:19 PM
Are you F'ing insane? There is no way anyone can hack your curser as to keep misbehaving after you exit the game, this is not a cheat, this is a pc problem and a BIG dose of paranoia!

K_Freddie
11-15-2007, 03:29 PM
Are you aware that in the windoze programming interface you can 'hook' the mouse and make it do what you want from a remote location.
I've done software development from the DOS days through Windoze years, using mainly Assembler (MASM32) Language, C, C++, and Visual Basic.

No, its not paranoia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , I said its a possibility and enquired whether anybody else has experienced this, on ADW or otherwise.
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Urufu_Shinjiro
11-15-2007, 03:42 PM
Perhaps "there is no way" was a little extreme, but I find it highly unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble or even be able to send that kind of code through the game to target and grab your mouse, with all the cheating paranoia around here fm/dm cheats are easier and far more probable than malicious mouse manipultion.

K_Freddie
11-15-2007, 04:01 PM
Yup, as said.. 'possible cheat'.
If it has happened to others then maybe it might be - the reason for this topic to find out.
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Bearcat99
11-15-2007, 04:12 PM
Hmmm if somone hacked the code.. could they hack theo ciode to open aback door to your machine? Is that even possible? Woukd uit make a difference if you were hosting or a guest? Going through HL or IP 2 IP? Curios stuff there... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

slipBall
11-15-2007, 04:14 PM
Hackers do this type of thing just for giggles...do not support your local modder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JG52Uther
11-15-2007, 04:17 PM
You fly on ADW? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

VW-IceFire
11-15-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
This has happened only on ADW and on the last 3 times I got shot down. It's happened only with a Rata behind me, where my view suddenly goes wonky, and there is no way to reset it. On exiting the game the mouse cursor moves continuously.

Watch the track with pilot view on. at the end the view says goodbye and there's no way to control this, so the inevitable.

Has THIS (V4.08 ntrk) (http://www.vanjast.com/IL2Movies/ADWPossibleCheat.ntrk) happened to anyone else

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I haven't watched the track yet so I'll reserve some judgment but let me just say that its damaging to the community when anyone comes in and makes allot of assumptions before asking the right kinds of questions. You might be having a problem with your system after all...

I had hardware issues that started to manifest in IL-2 where the screen would suddenly go black with certain aircraft on the screen. Soon as they were gone the screen came back. Turns out the RAM on my video card was going bad as a few months later the card started severely artifacting and its essentially dead.

What you describe could be a hardware issue or a software issue that has nothing to do with anything else. Or it could be the hopefully unthinkable...

EDIT: Watched the track and saw your view controls go nuts at the end. Do you use TrackIR or any sort of mouse view controls? Have you checked your joystick profile in the control panel to see if its having any sort of problem. Right before you had the problem you were pulling allot of moves on the stick and pushing on the hat controls (looks like) a fair bit and then it happened. Doesn't look like "cheating" at this point..nor does it sound like it.

JG6_Oddball
11-15-2007, 05:59 PM
The game can behave a little weird sometimes...when i spawn in a FW190D my force feed back dies...not the stick just the FF,I have to unplug it ...then plug it back in then minimize the game toget it to come back on.

if you think someone hooked your mosuse check "netstat" to see what connections there may be, otherwise start the pain staking bug hunt or harware checking.

S!

Don_X
11-15-2007, 06:00 PM
No answers I'm afraid, just more questions.

When I viewed this with Manual view my mouse seemed twice as sensitive to what I normally use.
(mouse sensitivity =0.5)
Viewing my own or stock tracks; mouse movement appeared normal. How could a ntrk affect my mouse setting during playback?

I did see a lot of AAA, though no mad warping.

wayno7777
11-15-2007, 06:06 PM
Just a thought, every so often my optical mouse will send my view into a spin. I mean like a top. Usually just a click will stop it, but sometimes I have to recalibrate the mouse to it's dock....

PS. will check your track when I get home to see your prob....

Rood-Zwart
11-15-2007, 08:37 PM
malicious mouse manipulation... evil or not, it has a nice ring to it!

K_Freddie
11-16-2007, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
You fly on ADW? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Yes I know.. I'm actually about to end it anyway. It has taken the fun out of the sim - Not the flying bit but the silly rules.

Doesn't anybody fly on a similar/nicer 'war server'. Links please?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jadger
11-16-2007, 02:21 AM
my optical mouse does some crazy shiz also. what kind of surface is your mouse on? when on a multi-coloured surface or a surface with lots of different variations, that can mess up what the optical mouse is "seeing" as it's perception of the surface is confused when the surface changes, knaw mean?

rnzoli
11-16-2007, 02:40 AM
if your mouse was also moving while IL-2 was shut down, probably it is not an IL-2 cheat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i have an optical mouse, and sometimes on my desk it 'starts to wander' across my screen... as said before, a good mouse pad is important, not too shiny, but well textured.

Manos1
11-16-2007, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Doesn't anybody fly on a similar/nicer 'war server'. Links please?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think you should try this
http://war.by-airforce.com/
http://war.by-airforce.com/game-map.html
http://war.by-airforce.com/manual.html

The downside of it, RED fly Ratas.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

~S~

K_Freddie
11-16-2007, 04:27 AM
rnzoli:
I thought it might be, but I pulled my ,ouse plug out of the PC and it still wondered off to the one side. Maybe a driver problem, but it had never occured before on any IL2 server, but 3x in ADW ??. I thought of posting in ADW but I cannot register for some reason, but I'm not going to bother now as I'm leaving that scene. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks for the links Manos1

The downside of it, RED fly Ratas.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I don't have a problem with the Rata, only when my view control dissapears with it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zoom2136
11-16-2007, 08:52 AM
Are you using and Saitek X-52...

I'm asking because some X-52 have a problem with the "magic mouse" driver that they use... This is what drives the mini mouse stick on the throttle...

For some reason after a while the windows mouse driver and the Saitek driver "fight" for control over you device... This result in mouse drift... On my system the mouse allways when to the top right hand corner... you had to "fight" the drift in order to "click" anything (in game as in windows)

To fix this it is recomanded to go in your device manager and desable the "magic mouse". You wont be able to use the mini mouse stick on your X-52 but this will stop this from happennig...

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-16-2007, 09:22 AM
I think it is just reckless and irresponsible to take an obvious hardware problem and assume off the bat that it "may" be a cheat. To see something like that and even have the balls to bring it up on the forum BEFORE you do any troubleshooting is just plain paranoid! From what I've read you thought cheat before you thought, wow, there's something wrong with my mouse. That is paranoia, and does not need to add fuel to the already out of control fire that's been going on in this community. My 2 cents.

Outlaw---
11-16-2007, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Hmmm if somone hacked the code.. could they hack theo ciode to open aback door to your machine? Is that even possible? Woukd uit make a difference if you were hosting or a guest? Going through HL or IP 2 IP? Curios stuff there... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

If there is a buffer overflow bug in the game, such an attack could be possible, HOWEVER, since players are ONLY connected to the server and NOT each other, there would be no need to hack YOUR game to attack another player's game. You could make use of such a bug by hacking the SERVER code but it would be easier to write an application to send malformed network packets that looked like they came from the server (spoofing). Since the IP number of every player is available to every other player, finding victims is easy (assuming there is a buffer overflow bug in the game).

Like others, I think this is a hardware problem and nothing more.

--Outlaw.

rnzoli
11-16-2007, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I think it is just reckless and irresponsible [...] does not need to add fuel to the already out of control fire that's been going on in this community. My 2 cents.
Talking about recklessness and irresponsibility, I think you need to ask yourself, who started the fire in the first place in the middle of a fuel depot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
11-16-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I think it is just reckless and irresponsible to take an obvious hardware problem and assume off the bat that it "may" be a cheat. To see something like that and even have the balls to bring it up on the forum BEFORE you do any troubleshooting is just plain paranoid! From what I've read you thought cheat before you thought, wow, there's something wrong with my mouse. That is paranoia, and does not need to add fuel to the already out of control fire that's been going on in this community. My 2 cents.

I agree here.

That`s like instantly assuming a house is on fire when someone`s only lit a match.

Next time, look at all the most common sense, simple reasons first, ie, your PC on and offline. Once all aspects of your PC software and hardware are found innocent, ask online by searching on similar faults, then and only then mention that you think you might have a possible IL2 cheat problem.

Accusations like that could lead to all sorts of chaos if it catches. Fortunately, in this case, it didn`t, but it was close.

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-16-2007, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I think it is just reckless and irresponsible [...] does not need to add fuel to the already out of control fire that's been going on in this community. My 2 cents.
Talking about recklessness and irresponsibility, I think you need to ask yourself, who started the fire in the first place in the middle of a fuel depot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see where you're coming from but that's really akin to saying just cause some a-hole invented the gun that it's okay to assume everyone is trying to shoot you, lol.

triad773
11-16-2007, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Rood-Zwart:
malicious mouse manipulation... evil or not, it has a nice ring to it!

Sounds too much like gerbiling http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Sorry for OT