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con20or
05-20-2005, 02:02 PM
You know the way every now and again you either read or see something that really impresses you? I saw a picture in a WW2 documentary once that was amazing.

It was a picture of Hitler, alone, standing in the rubble of Berlin looking through a huge hole in a wall. I€ve searched for this picture tons of times; this is the closest I could find to it. I just really thought it was an amazing picture, because he was such a lunatic, somehow made it so far, but now he had nothing? If that makes sense. They were the last photos ever taken of him before his suicide.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/con20or/a1945q.jpg

Kind of reminds you of that poem about Ozymandias, "King of Kings". I€m not a literature buff by the way, this is just something that I remember seeing in a primary school book and stuck with me, and this is probably the one and only time I€ll ever say €œkind of reminds you of a poem I once read€¦..€ It€s about somebody walking on a beach or forest or whatever, and they come across this ruined, weathered piece of rubble or pedestal with an engraving on it. It said something like,

"I am Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on my works ye mighty, and despair".

Thinking about that one helped pass a boring English class for me in my youth.

I just had a look for it online. It took about 2 seconds. Google is amazing! I was close enough. Anyway, I€m looking for that picture of Hitler if anyone knows where I can find it. The one of him alone, and I think it€s a frontal shot, not from the side like this one.


Ozymandias
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
-Percy Bysshe Shelley
1792-1822

kruckgp
05-20-2005, 02:21 PM
Let's not forget he was a message runner during WWI, and one of the nutjobs that actually refused vacation time so he could keep at his insane job! I guess he was one of the men who saw the horror of war but didn't take its lessons to heart. Truly one of the craziest men ever to live, but effective in many respects.

The_Third_Half
05-20-2005, 02:32 PM
The picture your speaking of was taken at his Berlin Bunker. And yes it was snapped off hours before he commited suicide.
He was giving orders to the waffen-SS/Adolf Hitler Division, to begain destruction of infrastructure before the Allies had complete control of Berlin.
You know since the citizens lost the war for Germany, they didn't deserve the Fuhrer or the Germany he created for them... Atleast thats what his last few words were, as reported by his adjutant. Even to the last the guy was Ego-maniac.

CapBackassward
05-20-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by The_Third_Half:
The picture your speaking of was taken at his Berlin Bunker. And yes it was snapped off hours before he commited suicide.
... Even to the last the guy was Ego-maniac.

And un(freaking)fortunately they're still those mindsets around...

The battle is never over...

Rick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

dog_U-333
05-20-2005, 03:29 PM
Interesting photo of A.H. I've never seen that image of him.

Funny, take a good look at that photo. Hitler's maybe 20 feet from the camera, but doesnt he look like he's a million miles away?

What a strange man, with an incredibly strange gift.

Hey, German folks in this forum, I have a question for you: Was Hitler's reign discussed much in school, when you were growing up? Im an older male born and raised in America.
No disrespect intended about my question. Just curosity.

Twelvefield
05-20-2005, 03:51 PM
One of my favorite photos from WWII has to be Yevgeni Khaldei's shot of the German Reichstag in May, 1945. I saw the "original" photo as the centerpiece of modern and post-modern photography in the Vancouver Art Gallery. An undeniably powerful picture, although many Internet sources say that it was faked, or at least re-shot over a long period of time.

At the end of Call of Duty, the soldier actually ends up on the roof of the Reichstag, and if you position yourself carefully, you can frame that picture in the game in the few seconds you have left before going to the victory screen. That was one of the most powerful moments I've ever experienced in a videio game -- brilliant!

As good as all of this is, is more than equal to my ineptitude at bring the picture up in the forum, but at least I can provide a link:

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.schicklerart.com/exhibitions/khaldei/exhibit/Images/YK_Reichstag03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.schicklerart.com/exhibitions/khaldei/exhibit/exhibit.html&h=351&w=500&sz=35&tbnid=rhWJq3ghCpQJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dreichstag%2Bphoto%2Bmay%2B1945%26hl%3 Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-15,GGLD:en

(click on the #3 thumbnail)

tinneri
05-20-2005, 05:41 PM
Corporal Adolf Hitler was lunatic poor fellow who has no affiliate with actual german armed forces. H-Jugend&SS was only troops what he managed to brainwash for his own idealism, It has nothing to do with Kriegsmarine, Wermacht or Luftwaffe.

OldschoolOfficers never accept "corporal A.Hitler" to be their "vice-mainleader"...

Mittelwaechter
05-21-2005, 05:36 AM
Hey, German folks in this forum, I have a question for you: Was Hitler's reign discussed much in school, when you were growing up? Im an older male born and raised in America.
No disrespect intended about my question. Just curosity.

Hi dog_U-333,

you'll discuss this theme several times. You'll see pictures and movies (including swastikas!), listen to some audio, read books and visit concentration camps for example. You'll get in contact in classes 8, 9, 10 and 12 - according to actual education plans.

Onthehunt1970
05-21-2005, 08:44 AM
That's the scarry thing about idealogy. You can't kill it. Seems people are looking for something to give their life meaning and they grab onto such things as these neo-nazi's today. One thing I found fascinating about Hitler is how he got the German people to have such pride in their country thats rarely seen. Its just sad that it takes someone to bring it out in us. We should all be proud of our countries even if we don't agree with some of the politics. Sorry just venting take care everyone and thanks for keeping this board interesting. Always enjoy coming here to see what people have to say. Good Hunting

S VIIC_41
05-21-2005, 08:50 AM
The real sad thing is how Germany is being forced to be so guilty about it when no one else has to about anything.

I mean, it's a joke the Brits complaining about Germany in the 30s when at the very same time they still had an empire.

OgreB
05-21-2005, 11:16 AM
And it was the British who invented concentration camps...how's that for irony!

dannytherat
05-21-2005, 02:55 PM
It is ironic that Britain invented the concentration camp, and inexcusable of course.

It is also ironic that much of the groundwork was laid for political extremes in Germany (and all that goes with that) by the feelings of extreme resentment felt by the German population following the exceptionally unjust treatment they received as a nation following the First World War at the hands of the victorious countries, particularly France and the USA.

Crippling Germany was clearly more of an aim for Clemenceau and Wilson than ensuring any sort of rebuilding of a stable Europe. As a result at least some of the blame for what followed must rest with them.

shaggyofwv
05-21-2005, 03:14 PM
The last known photo of Hitler alive, it shows so little but says so much... As has been said in the past, a picture can capture a person's soul and if you truly study the picture Hitler looks "hollow".. This could be because he truly had already lost his soul and was nothing but a shell by the time this picture was taken.

I don't believe that he was "crazy", he was just evil in every sense of the word as was his nemesis Stalin.

MohawkDaddy
05-21-2005, 07:18 PM
Britain invented the concentration camp but they were nothing like the death camps. The whole idea was to get the Boer population out of the countryside and concentrate them in one area. This way the Boer commandos couldn't get support from the locals. I don't believe the Nazi's called the death camps by that name anyway. One was nothing like the other. I'm sure the conditions sucked in those camps, compared to what we are used to I'm sure the British Army camps sucked too.

If I recall it was Wilson who objected to the demands the French put on the Germans at the end of WWI. I agree, the Germans didn't start it, it's not their fault they we're winning it.
Originally posted by dannytherat:
It is ironic that Britain invented the concentration camp, and inexcusable of course.

It is also ironic that much of the groundwork was laid for political extremes in Germany (and all that goes with that) by the feelings of extreme resentment felt by the German population following the exceptionally unjust treatment they received as a nation following the First World War at the hands of the victorious countries, particularly France and the USA.

Crippling Germany was clearly more of an aim for Clemenceau and Wilson than ensuring any sort of rebuilding of a stable Europe. As a result at least some of the blame for what followed must rest with them.

V-MAN1981
05-21-2005, 07:59 PM
Atrocities aside (sorry but let me off on this one) I feel sorry for Germany when it comes to WWII. I'm Irish by descent but British by birth (and **** proud of it). However I can't help but feel sorry for Germany and sometimes wish that they had won WWII, maybe because I always root for the underdog perhaps.

I just respect people that fight for what they believe in and are willing to fight until the end for it I suppose. Not saying that all Germans fought for the Nazi ideal, but they all fought for their country and for that I have the upmost respect for them and would drink with any German to that.

shaggyofwv
05-21-2005, 08:40 PM
While I don't want to condone the actions of the National Socialists in Germany, I do wish they had accomplished their goal of destroying the USSR. It would have to stop there because if they were victorious we would not be enjoying the freedoms that we enjoy today.

Let us remember that the true enemies of the National Socialists were thought to be France and Russia. Hitler was hoping to avoid a war with the UK and the United States, but he knew that it was probably inevitable.


Originally posted by V-MAN1981:
Atrocities aside (sorry but let me off on this one) I feel sorry for Germany when it comes to WWII. I'm Irish by descent but British by birth (and **** proud of it). However I can't help but feel sorry for Germany and sometimes wish that they had won WWII, maybe because I always root for the underdog perhaps.

I just respect people that fight for what they believe in and are willing to fight until the end for it I suppose. Not saying that all Germans fought for the Nazi ideal, but they all fought for their country and for that I have the upmost respect for them and would drink with any German to that.

W0lf_L4rsen
05-25-2005, 07:27 AM
Im from Romania and my country fight Axis side till 44' after we were taken by USSR and they force us to turn back the guns against germans. After the war Romania live 45 years in communism being sold at green table (by Churchil initiative) to USSR.

If u ask an old romanian who lived in WWII u will find the answer .... better kill urself than live under a communist lead.