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Jutocsa
01-10-2007, 01:54 PM
Hi everyone ! After quite a long time Id like to return to flying a bit, and I was wondering which stick should I buy ? Since my last one died on me I never had the time to play, and I always had a piss poor sense to pick a good joystick anyway. So..any ideas ? (except Logitech anything...I wont give them any more money )<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VV_Holdenb
01-10-2007, 02:36 PM
Hi Jutocsa

Saitek Sticks get my vote. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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MOH_Hirth
01-10-2007, 03:03 PM
I use a good Microsoft Force feedback2, since 2002, have vibration for guns, and force feedback when you pull up, you can change contacts. very good.
But Microsoft dont sell anymore, you can find in ebay.

GH_Klingstroem
01-10-2007, 03:21 PM
The microsoft Force feedback sticks are the best!! U need a stick with good spring force and FF for stall warning u never go beyond the stall ór go too fast!! Look for them at Ebay!!!

VF-51-Dart
01-10-2007, 03:21 PM
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TgD Thunderbolt56
01-10-2007, 04:31 PM
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Krakenwolf
01-10-2007, 05:52 PM
I have tested all joysticks and personally I like Logitech Attack 3 the most ($20 US).
This sounds crazy for a lot of people but it is true.
I have test CH F-16 and early version X-52 Flight Stick. I prefer the comfort size of the Logitech Attack 3, the cheap price (I can buy new ones easily), the small size of it is suitable for PC desktop. Realistic size flight stick is crazy. It has almost perfect tensile resistance. This is the most attractive feature of the Logitech Attack 3 that I think makes it my favourite over other joysticks.
It's cheap price, great performance for PC flyer makes it far superior I think.
The throttles. I have tried CH USB Throttle and the X52 Throttle. I think the CH is more realistic feeling, but the Saitek one has more interface options like more buttons and LCD display. Both are great throttles and practical for flight simulator people.
The X-52 Flight Stick however, please stay away from this. It is a disgraceful joystick.

Bearcat99
01-10-2007, 08:31 PM
Depends on what you want and your budget. If you are kind of tight on cash and you want a good inexpensive stick go Saitek. Get the X-52. This sim screams for a HOTAS. If yiu have the bread then go CH.... MSFFB2s are nice.. I use a MSFFB2/X-45/CHPedal combo.. but MS sticks are getting harder to find and also costlier. Saiteks are a good relatively inexpensive alternative. If you are in the states try here (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html).

The reason why I say in the states is I dont know if they ship abroad... you can ask though... for that price nothing can touch the X-52.

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AlGroover
01-11-2007, 02:51 AM
It depends on how you want to control your view camera. If you are prepared to invest in TrackIR, then a full HOTAS setup is the way to go. If you plan to use left hand mouseview (I do) then a single stick setup will probably work better. Of course if you are comfortable with hat view then its back to the HOTAS.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-11-2007, 02:58 AM
Depends a lot on the money you want to spend.

If you have plenty of money, a Cougar is a wise choice. With the upgrades recommended, costing at least as much as the HOTAS itself, it outclasses other sticks.

For that money you can by 2 to 3 sets of CH-HOTAS, though. Excellent software and very good mechanics. It also works under XP46bit, opposing to the Cougar, which days are counted, like it or not.

The X52 is a good stick for the money.

If you're just looking forward to fly a bit again, I recommend a smaller Saitek-stick. They are way less expensive and do a good job for the money.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RAF_Loke
01-11-2007, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
The microsoft Force feedback sticks are the best!! U need a stick with good spring force and FF for stall warning u never go beyond the stall ór go too fast!! Look for them at Ebay!!!

Can only second this. Use a M$ FFB Pro 1 myself and just got a new used one.
And with my stick I use Simped pedals (http://www.dhs-electronic.de/home.htm) review found here (http://www.mysimflight.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1032)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
01-11-2007, 05:03 AM
CH. You only buy CH hardware once. Ch hardware is tougher than the stone they used at Stonehenge.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
01-11-2007, 06:31 AM
CH products for sure. I have the M$ FF feedback and FF Feedback 2 and used both of these for Il2 before I got my 3 CH controllers. I have to say that I like my CH Fighterstick much more than the M$ ones. I do not know how many people in here have used both M$ FF and CH extensively and can fairly compare the two but I can and CH wins hands down!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TgD Thunderbolt56
01-11-2007, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
...I do not know how many people in here have used both M$ FF and CH extensively and can fairly compare the two but I can and CH wins hands down!

I can too...aong with Logitech, Saitek and Cougar(unmodded). CH is the best by far for me.


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Worf101
01-11-2007, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
It also works under XP46bit, opposing to the Cougar, which days are counted, like it or not.


You want to rethink that comment a bit. If you go to the Cougar forums you'll see that there are PLENTY of people running Cougar's with Vista Beta's. Please be sure of your facts before saying that a product will or will NOT run under Vista. Even Microsoft doesn't know at the current time. All I know is that there are people using Kitty's with Vista right now.

As for CH vs. Cougar. CH is great gear but I prefer metal in my hands to Plastic and I like a stiffer, much stiffer, spring loading than CH can currently offer. Yeah I spent a lot of money but no one can tell me that my modded Cougar and Simpeds are'nt superior to any stock CH offering.

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erco415
01-11-2007, 09:44 AM
Whatever you get, I can't reccommend a force-feedback stick highly enough. It would be the most dire of circumstances that would find me without one (finally having used one). I don't spin out near as much as I used to! I've got the Microsoft Sidewinder, (got it off ebay) but be prepared to spend $80-$200 for the usb version or $20-$70 for the gameport one. I've been wanting to try the saitek evo force ($60 new) but what I really want is a ffb X-52pro (are you listening Saitek?).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VF-51-Dart
01-11-2007, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
It also works under XP46bit, opposing to the Cougar, which days are counted, like it or not.



Wrong. There are 64bit drivers. I bumbped into them somewhere over on Cougar World a couple weeks ago while looking for something else.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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R_Target
01-11-2007, 10:31 AM
I like CH. With Saitek Rumblepad mod.

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If you want to spend less, I think Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox2 Pro is the best of the cheap sticks.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ken-Ghost-King
01-11-2007, 11:18 AM
What joystick/HOTAS? Pick one... (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RevvinUK
01-11-2007, 11:21 AM
I've used some good and bad sticks from a variety of companies over the years. The MS FF2 was a nice cheap stick with FF, the Saitek gear is a cheap option, the expensive being the Cougar which gave me no end of trouble and I finally ditched it in favour of a CH setup which I'm happily using 3 years later. The software has improved a lot over the years making it one of the most programmable if not the most programmable HOTAS available. The problems I had with the Cougar really ruined my enjoyment of sims but with my CH gear the only problem I have now is where to fit all the controllers I have, a Flight Sim Yoke, Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Throttle Quadrant, Pro Pedals, Multi Function Panel and DT225 trackball - all of which I have in a single profile that allows me to switch the X and Y axis from the yoke to the stick at the touch of a button without loading profiles or changing settings in IL-2. Its the best system I've had for playing IL-2.

CH users have the Control Manager software running under Windows Vista 32 bit and CH have official drivers released for both 32 bit and 64 Bit versions of Windows XP. CH make industrial and aviation controls and have been doing so for more than 25 years so they know how to build tough controls which sadly some other manufacturers have not in my experience.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
01-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
...I do not know how many people in here have used both M$ FF and CH extensively and can fairly compare the two but I can and CH wins hands down!

I can too...aong with Logitech, Saitek and Cougar(unmodded). CH is the best by far for me.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have the CH Fighterstick,Cougar, X52, Aviator, LogitechFFB, MSFF2, and numerous other sticks from these manufacturers. I can say the CH stick is the most solidly built of all of them but its not the most precise. There is a sharp difference in resistance tension through the axis transition due to gimbal design. This may even be realistic and feels great during flight, but if you happen to be shooting at this transition it can throw off the shot. This also can happen with MSFF2 with force feedback enabled, which I sometimes turn off for that reason.

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Jutocsa
01-11-2007, 01:33 PM
Thanks folks for your input http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I checked some sites and keeping in mind I wont have much more time for flying, I think Im gonna pick an X52 stick/throttle..its quite cheap indeed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Krakenwolf
01-11-2007, 06:27 PM
Your going to buy the X52?
Only buy the pro one. I have not testted the new black X52 pro one. Apparently it is imporved so get this one. The old X52 flight system I personally think is a was of money because the joystick is useless.

LT.INSTG8R
01-12-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Krakenwolf:
Your going to buy the X52?
Only buy the pro one. I have not testted the new black X52 pro one. Apparently it is imporved so get this one. The old X52 flight system I personally think is a was of money because the joystick is useless.

Depends on HOW old the X-52 is, I bought mine well over a year and half ago now and mine has never had any issues(I am going to assume your beef was with the deadzone issues)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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