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WhiteKnight77
10-20-2008, 11:50 PM
It appears that Sony has updated the users agreement for using PSN. Try these statements on for size:


"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Appearently you can end up with a bricked PS3 similar to those who had their X360s bricked, especially if they have altered it.

How about Sony can sell user made content without royalty fees being paid?


"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

You can read more about this in the Gamespot article: Sony clamps down with PSN user agreement (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6199672.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6199672&tag=nl.e513).

Plutonium_Kenny
10-21-2008, 12:41 AM
Wow, these are the most restrictive Terms of Use I have ever seen....including these forums (god love them.) It looks like you're selling your soul....to play a freaking videogame. That's awful.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

And what is the deal with "users cannot share their names" (paraphrasing) on the PSN? That's socialistic if not utterly baseless. How stupid do they think we truly are?

WhiteKnight77
10-21-2008, 11:00 AM
It's quite possible that the do not divulge your real name is to pacify the concerns of those who think (or know) that pedophiles stalk younger players on the network. Whether that works or not is debateable.

The most interesting parts is that Sony can sell your personal information to those who want it, for advertising purposes.

Also, Sony can make money on your hard work. FC2 is supposed to have the map editor. Little Big Planet has an editor that comes with the game. This is thought to be the whole reason behind the new agreement.

MadamTampini
10-21-2008, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
The most interesting parts is that Sony can sell your personal information to those who want it, for advertising purposes.

Heyyyyy sounds like someone else we know *coughgooglecough*

Plutonium_Kenny
10-22-2008, 02:03 AM
It's quite possible that the do not divulge your real name is to pacify the concerns of those who think (or know) that pedophiles stalk younger players on the network. Whether that works or not is debateable.

I guess that's kind of a good point....but how/why would you do this....over a videogame network? This would bring up the point of monitoring your child's videogame playing, but that's a whole other basket of eggs.


The most interesting parts is that Sony can sell your personal information to those who want it, for advertising purposes.

Also, Sony can make money on your hard work. FC2 is supposed to have the map editor. Little Big Planet has an editor that comes with the game. This is thought to be the whole reason behind the new agreement.

I know many companies do this, but it's still egregiously unethical. Not like anyone can sue them since they expressly state it, but man that is low. I mean how can you sell something that's not a tangible item in the first place?

quillan
10-22-2008, 08:38 AM
Easily. Counterstrike started as a mod for Half Life. However, in that case, Valve Software bought the rights to the mod from the team that created it, and hired the team as employees before including Counterstrike as part of the Half Life game.

Red Orchestra: Ostfront 1941-1945 began as the winner of the Make Something Unreal mod contest. Portal started as the game Narbacular Drop, by a bunch of students at a university. There are probably others.

Plutonium_Kenny
10-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Wow, you can damn near sell anything now-a-days. That's what the gods made lawyers for I guess....

You mean a bunch of college kids about my age created Portal? Man, I wonder how much they got out of it?

WhiteKnight77
10-23-2008, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Plutonium_Kenny:
Wow, you can damn near sell anything now-a-days. That's what the gods made lawyers for I guess....

You mean a bunch of college kids about my age created Portal? Man, I wonder how much they got out of it?

You did't know Counterstrike was a mod for HL originally? The creators used R6 as an model for CS.