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GreyBeast
02-18-2005, 01:32 PM
Hi folks!

I´ve been thinking of buying rudder pedals, but before I do, I have at least three questions that need to be answered.

What kind of connector do they have? USB or game controller type? If it's the latter, could there be conflicts if I plug the rudder pedals into the onboard game connector while my X45 is connected to the Soundblaster Live! game connector?

How does IL-2 manage the fact that there will be two separate game controllers acting on control inputs?

Which rudder pedals are the best deal for the money/work best with my X45 HOTAS?

I'm also interested in hearing of any other possible problems I didn´t address.

Thanks in advance.

GreyBeast
02-18-2005, 01:32 PM
Hi folks!

I´ve been thinking of buying rudder pedals, but before I do, I have at least three questions that need to be answered.

What kind of connector do they have? USB or game controller type? If it's the latter, could there be conflicts if I plug the rudder pedals into the onboard game connector while my X45 is connected to the Soundblaster Live! game connector?

How does IL-2 manage the fact that there will be two separate game controllers acting on control inputs?

Which rudder pedals are the best deal for the money/work best with my X45 HOTAS?

I'm also interested in hearing of any other possible problems I didn´t address.

Thanks in advance.

Akronnick
02-18-2005, 01:52 PM
I am using a pair of CH Pro Pedals USB with my X45 and there are no problems. IL2 can supprot up to four seperate controllers, but only one controller axis can control one axis in the game at a time. Also, the CH Pedals take controller id 1 so you wil have to re-asign your joystick axes, but that is not difficult. Here are the axis assignments I use:

Roll- X45 x-axis
Pitch- X45 y-axis
Rudder- CH Rudder axis
Wheel brakes- CH special (see below)
Throttle- X45 throttle
Elevator trim- X45 Thumb wheel
Rudder trim- X45 finger wheel

I use the rudder rocker on the X45 to zoom the view using banded commands. For the wheel brakes, I have written a CH Control Manager script to simulate differential braking. If I want to use the right brake, I push the right brake pedal and the script deflects the rudder automatically, and likewise with the left brake. if I want to use both brakes I Push both pedals and the script automatically centers the rudder.

GreyBeast
02-18-2005, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the tip. I'm relieved to know there won´t be any conflicts, but then again, why should there? I just didn´t know IL-2 supports up to four controllers, wow!

I would, basically, keep the same assignments you posted, except the X45 finger wheel would remain my prop pitch control.

It´s a good idea to use the "freed" rudder rocker on the X45 for zooming, which I currently have assigned to the X45 joystick's left hat switch (towards the left to zoom in, towards the right to zoom out).

Whichever way you´ve configured it (left = zoom in, right = zoom out or vice versa), do you have to keep the rocker depressed for the zoom level to stay? If so, I reckon it´s not a strain on your hand anyway. On the contrary, it would even be more "natural", I think, comparable to the way you would "make an effort" to zoom in or out, no input being "normal zoom" if you were flying in RL. Cool!

Akronnick, if I do end up buying the CH Pro Pedals, would it be asking too much if you shared that script of yours with me? It's because I have no idea about scripts and, well, it seems like a great idea to have stepping on the toe-brakes also deflect the rudder in that direction (differential braking).

Now I´ll have to think of what to assign to the "freed-up" left hat switch buttons, but that won´t be a problem with all the unassigned inputs remaining.

I'll get back to you when I´ve made my decision, and thank you very much for your information.

P.S.: Don´t CH Products have their own website? I can´t seem to find one, what I do find is a million places they´re sold at...

Akronnick
02-18-2005, 05:15 PM
I have the rocker set up so that it acts like a series of buttons, you have to divide the axis into bands in the Saitek software and you can assign a seperate command to each band. I have five bands, with these commands:

Full Left: Zoom Out Full
Partial Left: Zoom Out in Increments(repeating)
Center: Nothing
Partial Right: Zoom In in Increments (repeating)
Full Right: Zoom In Full

With this set up I can gradually change my zoom level or I can go right to the limit instantly.

I would be Happy to share my pedal script, but it's quite a lot of text so if You'll PM me I'll send it to you.

And by the way here's a link to the CH website http://www.chproducts.com/retail/

wingandaprayr
02-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Greybeast I have the same setup that Akronnick has and I find that it works quite well. Yes the ch pro pedals take the #1 controller id but this can be worked around to keep your pitch, yaw,roll settings on your X-45. You have to go into the config files and dance around in there though. But before u do BACKUP,backup,Backup and save it somewhere so if things don't work out you can restore your settings http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm Takes you to the point that you need to go to install another controller.

Trink_Afri-Cola
02-19-2005, 12:16 AM
Im using the Saitek x45 with a saitek 440 steering wheel brake/accelerator control for rudder. They have them refurbed at saiteks website for 34.95.

I got both for $75 total- what a deal, they look and smell like new plastic- mmmm

GreyBeast
02-19-2005, 04:27 AM
To Akronnick:

It sounds pretty cool, the way you've configured the rocker, THAT in itself is worth taking up, although I'd have to find an alternative for the rudder if I ended up NOT getting rudder pedals.

I WILL get back to your offer of PM'ing the pedal script. THAT, too, sounds like an excellent solution.

Oh, and thanks for the CH website link!

To wingandaprayr:

Thanks to you, too, for the link. Funny enough, seems like there've been a couple of threads on rudder pedals started withing the last 48h, so there's lots of useful info for me.

To Trink_Afri-Cola:

I think you got an excellent bargain pricewise, but I wouldn't know what to do with the steering wheel that comes with the pedals (or the other way around), I think I'll stick with the CH pedals, though much more expensive.

By the way, does Afri Cola still exist or are you a fan on vintage beverages?

Thanks for info, sirs

F19_Orheim
02-19-2005, 04:50 AM
You need to edit input variables manually in conf.ini. I use x45 and CH Rudder USB, great set up.

here is my conf.ini

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0
1Y=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0
1Z=0 35 41 48 56 67 76 82 89 95 100 0
1X1=0 13 21 28 39 53 65 77 88 96 100 0
1Y1=0 22 28 37 45 54 65 77 88 97 100 0
1RX1=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1RZ1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

courtesy of F16_=txmx=

mortoma
02-19-2005, 01:59 PM
CH just recently quit making gameport anything, and only make USB now. 'Tis a sad day for simmmers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

T_O_A_D
02-19-2005, 03:00 PM
You can read it all Here (http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm)

Or you can take a look at my stuff

I have teh X-45 , Microdosft FFB and CH USB rudder pedals attached to mine. The FFB ends up being ID1 in the game, My CH pedals ended up ID2 and the X-45 ended up ID3 As you can see in this Pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Joystick%20stuff/HOTAS.jpg

Your in game adjustments will be only for ID1
I used to not have 3 controllers and MY Rudder pedals where then ID1 and I only had Pitch and Yaw like you to adjust.

Now if you have more than 1 controller you will have to adjust your sensitiveties, manually with notepad in your conf..ini file.

This is what you have in config file when you have the X-45 and CH Pro USB pedal combination.
At least this is true for T_O_A_D's machine with Win XP Pro.

If yours is different then set one line at a time to all zeros. Save file then start game and find out which axis is now dead. Once you know which line affect what axis your on your way.


[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 -------------------Left Toe Brake ID1 CH Pro USB
1Y=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 -------------------Right Toe Brake ID1 CH Pro USB
1Z=0 4 8 26 46 86 100 100 100 100 100 0 ----------------Yaw ID1 CH Pro USB
1X1=0 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100 0 ---------------Roll ID2 X-45
1Y1=0 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100 0 ---------------Pitch ID2 X-45
1RX1=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 --------------Front rotary ID2 X-45
1RZ1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -----Rudder Rocker ID2 X-45
1U1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 ------Throttle ID2 X-45
1V1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 ------Thumb Rotary ID2 X-45q
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0



This is what you will have with the X-45,Micro FFB,Ch USB rudder pedals



[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=2
U=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
V=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 -----Micro FFB Alerion
1Y=0 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100 0 --------Micro FFB Elevator
1Z=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1X1=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 --------------CH pedals left Toe brake
1Y1=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 --------------CH Pedals Right Toe Brake
1RX1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RZ1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1U1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1V1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RX=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 ------------Micro FFB twist rudder
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 ------Micro FFB Throttle
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z1=0 4 8 26 46 86 100 100 100 100 100 0 --------------------CH Pedals Yaw Rudder
1X2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ------------------X-45 Alerion Roll
1Y2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ------------------X-45 Elevator Pitch
1RX2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---------------------X-45 Front Rotary
1RZ2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -------X-45 Rudder Rocker
1U2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -------X-45 Throttle
1V2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 --------X-45 Thumb Rotary


I hope I didn't give you a head ache :lol:

Bearcat99
02-19-2005, 09:33 PM
They work great. I use a MSFFB/X-45/CH Pedals/TIR/VAC set up that is just out of this world.
MSFFB2-Pitch - Roll, rudder trim (twist rudder) views,weps,chocks,wingfold,quick record,K-14 gunsight/bomb sight,auto/manual prop pitch.
X-45 Stick - Lights (including Nav,landing,cockpit and tip smoke),gear (manual,auto,tailwheel lock)mix,supercharger,bail out, engine start (single,left,right,both)drop tanks,plane detatch.
X-45 Throttle - Power,Flaps (rudder rocker), elevator and aileron trim (wheels), zoom,normal & wide views (aux),mouse pan (for when TIR goes out or when I just want to look at the scenery without touching my keyboard)CTRL/ALT/SHIFT (little black button next to orange mouse pan),radiator,map,TIR activate/deactivate,comms (CTRL),tail hook,canopy,airbrake... and probably a few things I forgot about.
CH Pedals- rudder, brakes