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Freiwillige
10-23-2008, 02:22 AM
Okay here is the naval part

Freiwillige
10-23-2008, 02:22 AM
Okay here is the naval part

Freiwillige
10-23-2008, 02:26 AM
And for those of you who swear that the F-14 was'nt in WWII, Refer to the movie the final countdown! Watching F-14's splash zero's now thats what im talkin about!

Esel1964
10-23-2008, 02:47 AM
F8F Bearcat hands down for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

TinyTim
10-23-2008, 04:49 AM
Is it in different time frames? If not, F8F has no competition! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

However, flying F4U in 1943 or F8F in hypothetical 1946 might be a close call.

Kocur_
10-23-2008, 04:53 AM
Of course there was a F14 (http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_f14c.php) in WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

R_Target
10-23-2008, 05:42 AM
If there's no context, F8F.

general_kalle
10-23-2008, 05:51 AM
voted F14 but i'd say it depends on the time.

if i was fighting Zero's...F14. no risk of getting shot down...and no final countdown is unrealistic, no way a zero can compete with an F14

if flying for pleasure...any, any ww2 plane would be a pleasure for me to try.

jasonbirder
10-23-2008, 08:21 AM
Anything but the F4U - it wasn't called the Ensign Eliminator for nothing

PhantomKira
10-23-2008, 09:09 AM
Flying "in their shoes", in combat, it's no contest.

A dedicated backseater, with the AWG-9 guiding six AIM-54s with pinpoint accuracy to kill 60-120 miles out as opposed to mixing it up in a furball at 300 feet range. Hmmm.

F-14. 100%

Freiwillige
10-23-2008, 03:16 PM
The F-14 Tomcat was kind of a joke peoples....lol

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-23-2008, 03:58 PM
I voted Bearcat. I actually DID think the F-14 was a joke, but the Bearcat was a true killing machine and one b@d@*** ride.

To be honest though...I'd fly any of them. The "cat" series are easily my personal USN favorites and always have been.

BillyTheKid_22
10-23-2008, 04:34 PM
F8F Bearcat!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Galway
10-23-2008, 04:52 PM
None of the above.


I want to launch from a USN airship http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/F9C_Sparrowhawk.jpg

idonno
10-23-2008, 04:52 PM
"The bent winged bastard so ugly she's hot!"

Ugly?!!!

Ugly???!

You must mean ugly like Jessica Alba is ugly, or like Angelina Jolie is ugly, or... or Catherine Zeta Jones!

Is that what you mean by ugly?

It must be.

It has to be.

Nothing else makes any sense at all.

ElAurens
10-23-2008, 05:03 PM
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/46/f3f3anacostiacf9.jpg

My kind of Grumman.

JtD
10-24-2008, 10:59 AM
F6F doesn't have an excellent reputation for nothing.

staticline1
10-24-2008, 11:09 AM
F8F no question. Throw out the joke fighter, the bear kitty trumps the rest.

R_Target
10-24-2008, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by idonno:
"The bent winged bastard so ugly she's hot!"

Ugly?!!!

Ugly???!

You must mean ugly like Jessica Alba is ugly, or like Angelina Jolie is ugly, or... or Catherine Zeta Jones!

Is that what you mean by ugly?

It must be.

It has to be.

Nothing else makes any sense at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strangely, some regard it as downright hideous. Well, as they say, there's no accounting for taste. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I'm a fan myself, but it does look a bit odd from certain angles.

BigKahuna_GS
10-24-2008, 09:23 PM
S!

In a pure fighter mode the F8F Bearcat is superior to all WWII aircraft listed !

http://www.orgsites.com/ca/cafsocalphoto/DSC_8355_2.jpg

The Bearcats were loaded on the carriers and were flying combat air patrols all the way to
Tokoyo Bay when the atom bombs fell on Japan.

As a fighter-bomber the Corsair is superior to all WWII aircraft listed !

http://www.markkarvon.com/F4U%20VF-17%20Jolly%20Rogers%2020x30%20Print%20Karvon%20700 cr.jpg Ain't she pretty !

The F4U-4 & F4U-5 were the "hot" Corsair models. The F4U-4 model flew for a good 6 months in combat before WWII ended and should of been included in Pacific Fighters.

As my dad spent 30years in the "Corps" he flew most of the planes listed here either during training or in combat. Without a doubt he said the Bearcat had the most pure performance of any Navy prop fighter he ever flew.

http://www.bluejacket.com/other/posters/post_home_navy-corsairs.jpg

Badsight-
10-24-2008, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TinyTim:
or F8F in hypothetical 1946 might be a close call. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>F8F is a 1945 plane

it might not have seen combat , but it was in service before the war ended

the F7F was actually delivered to okinawa before the surrender happened

staticline1
10-24-2008, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:

In a pure fighter mode the F8F Bearcat is superior to all WWII aircraft listed !
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And most of the WWII fighter aircraft in general.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:


As my dad spent 30years in the "Corps" he flew most of the planes listed here either during training or in combat. Without a doubt he said the Bearcat had the most pure performance of any Navy prop fighter he ever flew.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Excluding the chance of getting shot in combat, I envy your dad getting the opportunity to fly those fighters. And getting paid to do it no less! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

R_Target
10-24-2008, 10:38 PM
Fans of USN planes will enjoy Richard Linnekin's Eighty Knots to Mach 2. Capt. Linnekin devotes a chapter to his thoughts and experiences in each of the major types he flew in his career, from the Stearman to the Phantom II.

F4U-1_corsair
10-25-2008, 12:43 AM
I object to the refference to the Corsair as ugly.

In other notes, Wasn't the F7F skyrocket an early war plane which never really took off (pun intended) because of its size due to twin engines?

R_Target
10-25-2008, 01:35 AM
You may be thinking of the XF5F/XP-50, for USN and USAAF respectively. As Grumman concentrated on the F6F and the Army pulled out of the program, the Skyrocket was put on the back burner.

With the additional power of the R-2800 available, Grumman instead began developing the XF7F Tigercat, which as a carrier plane, never really "took off" either. It eventually found a happy home as a land-based night fighter with the USMC.

Billy_BigBoy
10-25-2008, 01:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by idonno:
"The bent winged bastard so ugly she's hot!"

Ugly?!!!

Ugly???!

You must mean ugly like Jessica Alba is ugly, or like Angelina Jolie is ugly, or... or Catherine Zeta Jones!

Is that what you mean by ugly?

It must be.

It has to be.

Nothing else makes any sense at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif Now YOU are my man! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif +1

Bremspropeller
10-25-2008, 06:08 AM
Well, tough coice between the F4H and the F8U.

That's the F-4 Phantom II and the F-8 Crusader fer y0 n00bs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Then again buzzing around in an A-4 should be fun, too - yet it's not a fighter.
A "Super Fox", like those flown flown by the Blue Angels really should get you goin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

BigKahuna_GS
10-25-2008, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bremspropeller--That's the F-4 Phantom II and the F-8 Crusader fer y0 n00bs. Well, tough coice between the F4H and the F8U. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not even close--Navy jocks perferred the last of the gunfighters-- the Crusader !

http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/ac/f/f8u_vought_crusader_vought.jpg

The Crusader was considered an agile and performance driven fighter as compared to ol' "Double Ugly".

Bremspropeller
10-25-2008, 08:17 AM
The F-8 was the better dogfighter and surely was a joy to fly (not to land, though), but the Rhino could do things the 'sader just couldn't.

Dustysquareback
10-25-2008, 12:35 PM
What?? I'm the ONLY one to choose the Wildcat? You guys are @#$@#$ crazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

thefruitbat
10-25-2008, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dustysquareback:
What?? I'm the ONLY one to choose the Wildcat? You guys are @#$@#$ crazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats because it was outclassed during its entire active service. The Wildcat had one main advantage over the zeros it faced, radios. This in turn enabled the USN to use effectivly, better tactics developed to use the wildcats few advantages.

Since i'm only really interested in WWII flight, that excludes me from choosing the bearcat and f14 tomcat, leaving only the hellcat and corsair.

Both of these planes were superior to there axis counterparts in the PTO, with the hellcat having the better kill ratio i think i am correct in saying. Although this is probally due in some part to its earlier entry into service on USN carriers, and its involvement in such battles as the great marianas turkey shoot, despite the fact that the corsair was flying combat missions some months before.

However, i think that the Corsair was not only the best carrier aircraft used in WWII, it is also a serious contender, if not the best multirole aircraft developed in WWII, capable of carrying out well just about any role given to it, from air superiority, strike, escort, close support, the list goes on.

It is of some testement to it, that it was still used in korea in the combat close support role, and indeed took part in the last air to air battles fought by prop planes, in the 1969 'soccer war'.

It has to be the greatest USN fighter, and it would be my ride of choice.

fruitbat

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Bearcat ftw. Id like to show it the combat action it deserved.

UnknownStranger
10-25-2008, 03:34 PM
How could anyone call the F4U ugly!

It is the prettiest thing in the sky.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/805/corsairmu5.jpg



...except maybe the Blackbird. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4253/ec97439021vn9.jpg

Daiichidoku
10-25-2008, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bremspropeller--That's the F-4 Phantom II and the F-8 Crusader fer y0 n00bs. Well, tough coice between the F4H and the F8U. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not even close--Navy jocks perferred the last of the gunfighters-- the Crusader !

http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/ac/f/f8u_vought_crusader_vought.jpg

The Crusader was considered an agile and performance driven fighter as compared to ol' "Double Ugly". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i see your F-8 and raise you a XF-8 U-3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/f8u-3_12-1.jpg

Badsight-
10-25-2008, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
Since i'm only really interested in WWII flight, that excludes me from choosing the bearcat and f14 tomcat, leaving only the hellcat and corsair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>but the Bearcat was put into service before WW2 ended ?!?

designed , developed & tested , manufactured & delivered into service all during WW2

horseback
10-25-2008, 08:49 PM
Hellcat, hands down.

The F4U took most of WWII to get it right; not entirely Vought's fault, but not for nothing was Grumman able to claim that a Corsair was faster than a Hellcat 4 days a week (the other three days, it was in the shop).

The Bearcat was a great fighter IF no one had invented the jet, and the Tomcat was handicapped most of its career by McNamara's spiteful insistance on those damned engines left over from the F-111 debacle...

cheers

horseback

thefruitbat
10-26-2008, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
Since i'm only really interested in WWII flight, that excludes me from choosing the bearcat and f14 tomcat, leaving only the hellcat and corsair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>but the Bearcat was put into service before WW2 ended ?!?

designed , developed & tested , manufactured & delivered into service all during WW2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

but not operational during WWII, and outdated by the time it entered service, due to jet technology.

fruitbat

R_Target
10-26-2008, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat
but not operational during WWII, and outdated by the time it entered service, due to jet technology.

fruitbat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

VF-19 was equipped with F8F aboard Langley, and en route to Japan when the war ended. The second F8F squadron, VF-18, was not far behind.

R_Target
10-26-2008, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
Hellcat, hands down.
The F4U took most of WWII to get it right; not entirely Vought's fault, but not for nothing was Grumman able to claim that a Corsair was faster than a Hellcat 4 days a week (the other three days, it was in the shop). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh heh. F6F serviceability aboard carriers was usually 90%+. Land-based Hellcats enjoyed a higher serviceability than F4U even when operated from the same airfields.

Badsight-
10-26-2008, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
VF-19 was equipped with F8F aboard Langley, and en route to Japan when the war ended. The second F8F squadron, VF-18, was not far behind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>& was being used as CAP for said carrier

but no , Bearcats did not see any combat during WW2