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nearmiss
10-19-2004, 12:16 PM
The PF is gonna put 1C:Maddox over the top. If there is a combat flight simmer still crying about a wanting a bigger better flight sim with American planes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif crying days are done.

This one should turn the tide. The Pacific Theatre has always been the big one as far as American interest in WW2.

Look at that list of aircraft, look at the screenshots, look at the new objects with little graphic people manning the guns and look at the ships.

The prospects are AWESOME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif The PF combined with the IL2-FB-AEP. This is gonna be a world class winner, you can quote me or rag on me. It won't make any difference.

I think it's gonna be enough to stir the die-hards still hanging onto their old five year old sims, i.e., EAW, WW2 Fighters,CFS2, etc. It's going to be a great sim for all players with a penchant for the WW2 airwars and aircraft, regardless of whether you're an online or offline player.

I've not read whether offliners can have 128 aircraft in the air simultaneously, but if that is true for online and offline that will be a quantum leap for immersive offline missions.

My recent complaints and whines about another graphic feast in PF is true, but the more I see and read the more I'm impressed. This is gonna be the world class sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">We've all been waiting for this one</span>

Look at the list of flyables, that is quite frankly, awesome.

nearmiss
10-19-2004, 12:16 PM
The PF is gonna put 1C:Maddox over the top. If there is a combat flight simmer still crying about a wanting a bigger better flight sim with American planes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif crying days are done.

This one should turn the tide. The Pacific Theatre has always been the big one as far as American interest in WW2.

Look at that list of aircraft, look at the screenshots, look at the new objects with little graphic people manning the guns and look at the ships.

The prospects are AWESOME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif The PF combined with the IL2-FB-AEP. This is gonna be a world class winner, you can quote me or rag on me. It won't make any difference.

I think it's gonna be enough to stir the die-hards still hanging onto their old five year old sims, i.e., EAW, WW2 Fighters,CFS2, etc. It's going to be a great sim for all players with a penchant for the WW2 airwars and aircraft, regardless of whether you're an online or offline player.

I've not read whether offliners can have 128 aircraft in the air simultaneously, but if that is true for online and offline that will be a quantum leap for immersive offline missions.

My recent complaints and whines about another graphic feast in PF is true, but the more I see and read the more I'm impressed. This is gonna be the world class sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">We've all been waiting for this one</span>

Look at the list of flyables, that is quite frankly, awesome.

ashley2005
10-19-2004, 12:21 PM
@_@

Snuffy Smith
10-19-2004, 12:24 PM
Well, I really hope it's a smash hit. It's in time for Christmas, and I'm planning to buy at least 4 copies: one for me and three for presents. I'll probably give them early, as I have a couple of teenage nephews, who will love it.

Chuck_Older
10-19-2004, 12:33 PM
Well, all I can say is

I am d@mn impressed with the screenshots I've seen. I do not impress easily. PF is looking about as slick as snot

SeaFireLIV
10-19-2004, 12:47 PM
I`ve seen some of the Readme and ,yes, I`m quite excited. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/Sigeaf.jpg

owlwatcher
10-19-2004, 12:55 PM
First rate game
with 5th rate distubiter.
If the game is to far apart from the EU release date in the US. There will be alot of lost revenue. Which I would put at UBI's feet.

diabloblanco1
10-19-2004, 12:58 PM
PF is gonna be a world class WW2 flight sim

It already is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 01:10 PM
Yeah, the separation in release dates is a truely huge error. Aside from those of us in here--the already converted, as it were---the difference in availability will only contribute to, um, recent troubles.

tater

Ruy Horta
10-20-2004, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
_PF is gonna be a world class WW2 flight sim_

It already is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nail on the head...

PF is good, because FB/AEP is good...however good it is, whatever the name, it remains a glorious add on. Without a previous install of FB/AEP I'd venture to say that its NOT a great stand alone.

Carrier aviation is an extra.

Tater-SW-
10-20-2004, 09:27 AM
The clarification regarding the ship date in the US (October 26! Woot!) makes my last comment null and void.

Long live PF!

tater

adlabs6
10-20-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ruy Horta:
Without a previous install of FB/AEP I'd venture to say that its NOT a great stand alone.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The complete package is great no doubt. But I am interested to see how reviews go for PF as a stand alone product. We are happy to think of PF as part of a bigger picture, but the "popular" reviews that people will read likely will judge the PF box by itself.

Chuck_Older
10-20-2004, 10:30 AM
I know what the reviews will say concerning it's stand alone value.

They will neccessarily mention the dual installation option. that's a direct lead in to WHY there are two options, and what it means for PF if you have FB.

So the reviews will all say the optimum experience is as an add-on. If I were reviewing it, I'd have to mention that it couldn't be thought of as a true stand alone and not include the P-38. Sorry, but that's my feeling. PF is very much something I want, but I can overlook things like no P-38 because it will be available to me through FB.

nearmiss
10-20-2004, 12:51 PM
Some tentative thinking about PF as a standalone product, eh?

The graphics environment is improved, the Carrier ops will create a whole new dimension to the game.

If I was in the business of selling games I'd be excited, because everyone that buys the standalone is gonna be so hot to get the FB and AEP those products will be in demand.

It's gonna be sweet...you can mark my words on it. The Pacific Theatre will probably outsell all the other editions combined.

nearmiss
10-21-2004, 11:15 AM
Here's a post I just read (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=4481023132)

I wouldn't sweat too much about the piracy thing. The PF is gonna do the job and bump this sim into a new place.

It's going to be fun to watch the excitement and associated chaos... LOL

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bearcat99
10-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Gonna be? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

No doubt it is already... As far as the 128 multiplayer thing goes... I doubt if it will be viable in single player... unless you have a killer rig.. I cant imagine a cpu being powerful enough to run 128 AI planes along with the flak and the general rendering as well, not to mention the ships, and other stuff too. Still though// if it will run 128 well online then 64 online should be smooth.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
10-21-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
Some tentative thinking about PF as a standalone product, eh?

The graphics environment is improved, the Carrier ops will create a whole new dimension to the game.

If I was in the business of selling games I'd be excited, because everyone that buys the standalone is gonna be so hot to get the FB and AEP those products will be in demand.

It's gonna be sweet...you can mark my words on it. The Pacific Theatre will probably outsell all the other editions combined. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tentative might be the word.

If I were a reveiwer, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the most succesful USAAF fighter of the PTO wasn't in Pacific Fighters.

I have no doubt it's a superior sim. But an omission is still an omission, no matter how you slice it. No matter the rationale or reason for it's absence, folks who buy PF and install it as stand-alone will not be able to fly the P-38, from what I have read.

Now, that may be wrong. I may be misinformed.

nearmiss
10-21-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
Some tentative thinking about PF as a standalone product, eh?

The graphics environment is improved, the Carrier ops will create a whole new dimension to the game.

If I was in the business of selling games I'd be excited, because everyone that buys the standalone is gonna be so hot to get the FB and AEP those products will be in demand.

It's gonna be sweet...you can mark my words on it. The Pacific Theatre will probably outsell all the other editions combined. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tentative might be the word.

If I were a reveiwer, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the most succesful USAAF fighter of the PTO wasn't in Pacific Fighters.

I have no doubt it's a superior sim. But an omission is still an omission, no matter how you slice it. No matter the rationale or reason for it's absence, folks who buy PF and install it as stand-alone will not be able to fly the P-38, from what I have read.

Now, that may be wrong. I may be misinformed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P-38 never was my favorite, but I've read a lot of postings where they P-38 enthusiasts were very un-happy with P-38 performance. So, that could be a plus not having it in the standalone PF. The new users won't be cranked off at the sim...LOL

If Oleg gets the P-38 correct according to all the users that say it's not right. Maybe it'll be the contribution to the sim it outta be.

Regardless, I'm still going to enjoy all the exhilaration in the postings when this baby is finally fully released.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Oh! my gosh can you believe that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Chuck_Older
10-21-2004, 03:16 PM
Sure, but still...

No P-38? I understand that some people are not P-38 fans, but I cannot conceive that anyone who knows about the USAAF in the PTO might say that it's omission is OK. That's like taking the Hurricane out of BoB because more people are Spitfire fans.

I know they had limited space on the CDs, and I know the P-38 is already available to me because I have v2.04 of FB. I know there are valid reasons it's not there, and it's omission is reasonable to people who have FB v2.04. But I would be lying if I said it should be ok for people who don't have FB v2.04 already. Take an importanat plane away from the IJN. that's the parallel. The P-40s we have are not nearly as importanat to the USAAF as the P-38. Historically, it was the AVG, which was not a US military unit, and not the USAAF who used the P-40 and it's export variants to good effect. In fact, Chennault was tasked with making the USAAF in the CBI effective with their P-40s when the AVG disbanded in '42. The Army couldn't seem to do it.

But if I were a reveiwer, I would have to point out the omission. Maybe I can be coldly objective about this and others can't, but when I judge things I am honest with myself about the pros and cons, and if PF is considered a true stand alone product, the omission of the P-38 is a big con. Must be. There's too big a gap to fill

nearmiss
10-21-2004, 04:57 PM
chuck_older

You're right the P-38 should be there. Maybe little quirks like these are deliberate to encourage people to buy the previous verions.

If I were lighting this sim up for the first time with PF I'd be pooping my pants to get the preceding versions, just for the aircraft.

Oleg, may just put the P-38 in a patch for the PF along with a bunch of other things I understand should be in PF, but the CD wouldn't hold.

From all I've seen, sceptical as I am, this is a really great effort. It's probably going to be "the benchmark" for all WW2 combat flight sims that'll be introduced for the next couple of years.

HexAngel
10-21-2004, 06:18 PM
The P-38 is also available in the standalone version of PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Ne need for bad reviews http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
10-21-2004, 07:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HexAngel:
The P-38 is also available in the standalone version of PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Ne need for bad reviews http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I have been misinformed

GT182
10-21-2004, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PF is gonna be a world class WW2 flight sim <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And there were thoughts it would be anyother way? I don't think so.

On a side note. You might want to think of 3 installs.

1. FB/AEP 2.04, as is.
2. FB/AEP 2.04/PF
3. PF as Standalone

Reason being... With 1. you still get to fly with your buddies that don't or won't have PF. With 2. you can still fly with them that do have it and installed with FB/AEP 2.04. And finally, you can fly PF all by it's self with no FB just to see what it's like. Whether you fly offline, IP to IP , HyperLobby or some other game site.

That's the way I'll be installing it all. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">All bases covered.</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LuckyBoy1
10-21-2004, 07:43 PM
You know, as excited as I am about this game, I think it will take about 6 months at the soonest for it to catch on if at all. I've found most simply do not have the computer it takes to run this game well. Their interest is only slight at best and when you combine the cost of PF and ACE Gold, they don't think it's "worth it". Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's just that it is hard to get people to open up their pea sized brain to this extrordinary value in gaming. You could play this game every day for two years and still be learning and not get bored. When you figure costs on hours actually played... this game is cheap!

nearmiss
10-21-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GT182:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PF is gonna be a world class WW2 flight sim <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And there were thoughts it would be anyother way? I don't think so.

On a side note. You might want to think of 3 installs.

1. FB/AEP 2.04, as is.
2. FB/AEP 2.04/PF
3. PF as Standalone

Reason being... With 1. you still get to fly with your buddies that don't or won't have PF. With 2. you can still fly with them that do have it and installed with FB/AEP 2.04. And finally, you can fly PF all by it's self with no FB just to see what it's like. Whether you fly offline, IP to IP , HyperLobby or some other game site.

That's the way I'll be installing it all. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">All bases covered.</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you could just do an install of FB then AEP then PF. Do we have to install patches? You mentioned 2.04. I know the Readme was posted on these boards, but I didn't pay too much attention to the install process...since I didn't have the PF.

If that is the case it would seem strange that you'd have to update products when you're buying the latest product, which upgrades previous products.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif that's me of course.

VW-IceFire
10-21-2004, 09:12 PM
You can run this on a much slower system...Excellent and all the other video modes still exist. It just won't look amazing...you DO need somethings thats capable of running UT2003. Alot of gamers bought new hardware to play that...alot of gamers bought new hardware to play Doom III. So pixel shaders and powerful video cards that aren't the tip top of the tippy top are around and cheap. The store I'm working at had a computer on sale for $599, Asus parts, small tower, not amazing but powerful enough to run AEP on Excellent mode (projecting the potential performance here - I didn't test it specifically). So accessibility is not a problem in my estimation...unless you want to crank the graphics.

Indeed, the only thing that is slightly worrying is no P-38 (unless that has been changed) for the PF version unless you have AEP. The solution is for them to give us a P-38F...which served in large numbers in the Pacific Theater.

fabianfred
10-21-2004, 09:30 PM
I've played il2/FB for two years now and am no where near bored....
now with PF I will have to try and rein in my tendency to put loads of action, planes and ground stuff in my missions.... but in another year or so the hardware availabe should catch up with the abilities of PF and we will one day be able to run perfect with as much going on as we like.....

BoB can wait a while as far as I'm concerned