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RocketRobin__
07-08-2005, 10:47 PM
I've found it's become very difficult to find a server that includes planes that have good rudder authority.
Why?
I don't give a **** about fancy flying. If you want to see fancy flying, go to an air show.
Just gimme a plane that I can point and aim. It doesn't have to be fast and it doesn't have to be pretty. All it needs is a **** rudder.

Retrofish
07-09-2005, 06:23 AM
Can you give some examples of planes with good/bad rudder authority? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Bearcat99
07-09-2005, 08:17 AM
I dont know of too many servers that dont have full FMs..... visuals yeah.. but most of the ones I see have full FMs set... What are you talking about?

Platypus_1.JaVA
07-09-2005, 08:21 AM
Dunno but, the hosts don't pick the flyable aircraft because of their rudder authority. Anyways, are you sure you have set-up the propper keys or, the propper joystick/rotary/pedals input for the rudder?

VW-IceFire
07-09-2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by RocketRobin__:
I've found it's become very difficult to find a server that includes planes that have good rudder authority.
Why?
I don't give a **** about fancy flying. If you want to see fancy flying, go to an air show.
Just gimme a plane that I can point and aim. It doesn't have to be fast and it doesn't have to be pretty. All it needs is a **** rudder.
Maybe you should tell us what planes your flying and how your controls are setup.

|CoB|_Spectre
07-09-2005, 12:54 PM
I'm a folk and I don't hate rudders. Some of my best friends are rudders. I've been flying with CH pedals since before this sim came out and I've tweaked the sliders on the yaw channel to provide a gradient rather than the default "100..100..100" thing. I can't imagine flying without feet on pedals for yaw control.

Stigler_9_JG52
07-09-2005, 02:56 PM
Robin, I suggest a change in attitude.

Until you can convince us that rudder is unimportant, or not a factor in flying (and good luck with that!), your whines that you can't find a "point and shoot" aircraft are just going to fall on deaf ears. If you can't take that at face value, maybe you need to find a nice flight GAME, rather than a flight SIM.

Really, man: learn how to fly, including using the rudder. The rudder is how you "point" your aircraft, for the most part.

SeaFireLIV
07-09-2005, 04:09 PM
He`s just belly-achin`. Another one who can`t handle 4.01

VW-IceFire
07-09-2005, 10:13 PM
We get all these people...they make vague posts about something that upsets them and then disappear.

And lots of us genuinely want to help them but their attitude makes us all on edge and we all ramble on for three pages and we don't know if they ever read back again.

Maybe we should just gather these threads all in one thread together and just leave it be.

msalama
07-10-2005, 12:58 AM
We get all these people...they make vague posts about something that upsets them and then disappear.

...and don't forget the arrogant tone too! Which is why I've gotten a bit cheeky with them every now & then...

Toned down that a bit now, mindja, because I don't want to upset Ivan's finer sensibilities http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
07-10-2005, 01:01 AM
Vague posts are often the result of extreme frustration, lack of maturity or a lack of chronology (as in just plain young), or a lack of English language skills.

Maybe Robin will restate his question or concern with a little more clarity after he's calmed down or had a chance to consult his dictionary, if we don't make him feel like a fool. He might even have a valid point.

cheers

horseback

AerialTarget
07-10-2005, 02:28 AM
His point is not valid. Although there are many legitimate complaints about many of the aircraft in the game, not one of the aircraft I have flown in this game (and I have flown many) has ever had a lack of rudder authority when compared to the rest. As for lack of rudder authority compared to the real airplane, well, one would be very, very hard pressed to prove that (or even support it).

Holycannoli
07-10-2005, 05:45 AM
I don't like rudders because my brain wants to use them backwards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Like tank treads. You know when you want to turn a tank right you give it full left tread and maybe reverse right? That's what I instinctively do when flying this sim and I get all confused. I give full left pedal and reverse right pedal to turn the plane to the right (like when aiming).

Unfortunately the tank setup is natural to me but the flight setup isn't. I'm debating whether to reverse my rudder controls to compensate for my reversed foot action, or keep them and try to get out of that habit.

Hey, at least I'm semi on-topic right?

han freak solo
07-10-2005, 08:13 AM
Here's a guy that hates authority and rudders....

http://www.lssdigital.com/FWattack.jpg

|CoB|_Spectre
07-10-2005, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Holycannoli:
I don't like rudders because my brain wants to use them backwards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Like tank treads. You know when you want to turn a tank right you give it full left tread and maybe reverse right? That's what I instinctively do when flying this sim and I get all confused. I give full left pedal and reverse right pedal to turn the plane to the right (like when aiming).

Unfortunately the tank setup is natural to me but the flight setup isn't. I'm debating whether to reverse my rudder controls to compensate for my reversed foot action, or keep them and try to get out of that habit.

Hey, at least I'm semi on-topic right?

Try thinking of it this way: Use your tank track analogy, only consider when you step on , say, the right rudder pedal, it would be like stepping on a brake pedal for the right-side track, which would make the vehicle turn toward the right. Right foot forward makes the nose point to the right, vice versa to the left. If you're trying to keep the slip/skid ball centered, and you should endeavor to do that, simply remember "step on the ball". If the ball is left of center, apply left rudder and it will move toward the center. It's simple really, just gotta get your mind wrapped around it and it will become second nature to you just like stick movements.

Retrofish
07-10-2005, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
Here's a guy that hates authority and rudders....



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
07-10-2005, 12:42 PM
If it's the ball that's confusing you visually, think of it this way, and you'll never have problems again:

When the ball is not centered, STEP on it.

If it's too far right, step on right rudder. Reverse if left.

Holycannoli
07-10-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm gonna do that spectre.

It's not that the ball is confusing me visually, it's just that my brain automatically wants to push on the left pedal to turn right and vice versa.

I have CH pedals so they don't move exactly like rudder pedals. They slide back and forth rather than rock up and down. They're great pedals but my years of playing tank games (not necessarily sims) trained my brain for this reverse thinking.

So I'm gonna use the "brake" technique to train myself for flight sims. When I want to turn right I'll "brake" right.

AerialTarget
07-10-2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Holycannoli:
I'm debating whether to reverse my rudder controls to compensate for my reversed foot action, or keep them and try to get out of that habit.

This would be a very foolish thing to do. When I started taking lessons, I had the same problem as you. I nearly ran into a parked helicopter while taxiing my first time. It's bad enough starting out with the bicycle bars mentality, but practicing with the wrong way is just a dumb thing to do.

By the way, CH Pro Pedals work like the real thing. The only problem is that they are too close together and have some sensitivity problems compared to the real things. Who told you that real aircraft pedals "rock" up and down instead of sliding?

ElAurens
07-10-2005, 04:10 PM
Curiouser and curiouser....

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Holycannoli
07-10-2005, 11:29 PM
Someone did I don't know who he was (he was at an airshow pointing things out in a plane).

What do I know though I'm no pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I once thought flaps went up to give lift and was surprised to learn they went down. That one still confuses me (guess I was thinking about the elevator).

Another problem I had, and I'm just realizing this, is that I flew this sim with a twisty joystick rudder up until recently. I was good with that joystick unfortunately, but it was a situation where I'd twist clockwise to turn right and counterclockwise to turn left. That's backwards just like I'm instinctively doing with my rudder pedals now.

Bearcat99
07-11-2005, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Holycannoli:
Someone did I don't know who he was (he was at an airshow pointing things out in a plane).

What do I know though I'm no pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I once thought flaps went up to give lift and was surprised to learn they went down. That one still confuses me (guess I was thinking about the elevator).

Another problem I had, and I'm just realizing this, is that I flew this sim with a twisty joystick rudder up until recently. I was good with that joystick unfortunately, but it was a situation where I'd twist clockwise to turn right and counterclockwise to turn left. That's backwards just like I'm instinctively doing with my rudder pedals now.

Dont ever listen to anything that person says again ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Seriously.... did you look at the rudder pedals in the cockpit and make sure yours do what they do? If so then just keep at it.. after a while it will become second nature.

Holycannoli
07-11-2005, 11:23 AM
He was just some guy that was there and it was quite a while ago (he was talking to a child, maybe his son). The pedals in the cockpit were never touched so I didn't see how they moved. I just assumed he was right when he said they rocked up and down.

Bearcat99
07-11-2005, 11:36 AM
No I mean the pedals in the sim..... in the cockpit in the sim. They will move when you move your pedals... jst make sure the both move in the same direction.

Lixma
07-11-2005, 12:51 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Lixma/respectauthority.jpg

flatlander5
07-14-2005, 11:43 AM
Hey, I'm glad I'm not the only one with reversed brain on the rudder peddles.
I guess I think bike handlebars and tank tread analogy and have it all backwards. I looked down in the cockpit the other day and the peddles were moving opposite to me.

Sigh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Parked planes are going to have to be moved far away from me for the next week or two.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

~Flatlander

knightflyte
07-14-2005, 12:03 PM
I haven't read ALL the posts and I'm not THAT familiar with Robin's previous posts, but there ARE switches in the game that allow for easier FMs.
They are there for a reason. Not everybody wants to or CAN fly the FMs.

Case in point. I gave my dad my old computer. P4 2.4 geforce ti4600. I gave it to him with the original IL2. We've both spent a lot of time when I was a kid building WW2 models and RC craft. So I thought what a great thing to give him.

The man is 72 now, and admittedly he's not a sim junkie looking for a fix like me. So he pots down the difficulty level so he CAN enjoy it. I'd be bummed out if he was forced to fly FULL real. There would be no enjoyment in it for him.

Enjoyments what it's all about. Again I'm not fully aware of Robin or his past posts so I can't or won't align him with a whiner. If flying Full real is taking the enjoyment away from IL2 then why not ask for servers with easier models.

He coulda asked better tho. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
07-15-2005, 01:57 AM
knightflyte::
The man is 72 now, and admittedly he's not a sim junkie looking for a fix like me. So he pots down the difficulty level so he CAN enjoy it. I'd be bummed out if he was forced to fly FULL real. There would be no enjoyment in it for him.
That's pretty much it. These posters here are more young but experienced hardcore computer gamers, Old Timer flight simmers even, and the Psycho Trauma caused by the simple label "Easy Game Settings" is proving alot to deal with. Still, almost all of them will learn to stop worrying and love the New FM when they grow out of themselves.