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Dillinger1977
02-17-2005, 05:44 AM
Hello,

I've heard a lot about his game and saw IL2:Forgotten Battles going cheap (5.99 in Morrisons!) so I bought it. Ive also just bought a force feedback joystick to play it with.

The trouble is, I keep trying to play it and i find it a bit unaccessible. Theres a training button, but it plays non-interactive movie, so I have to try and remember everything. Then when I end up on the runway (in the dark, with fog, and rain.. thanks a lot!) I struggle. I can get in the air but after that i'm lost again..

is there a way to play the training missions.. like practice takeoff and landings, and some basic flying skills?

also what nationality and plane should I fly first to get the hang of everything?

apologies if this has been asked a million times before, I just want to appreciate what must be a great game that is currently very intimidating!

many thanks!

Dillinger1977
02-17-2005, 05:44 AM
Hello,

I've heard a lot about his game and saw IL2:Forgotten Battles going cheap (5.99 in Morrisons!) so I bought it. Ive also just bought a force feedback joystick to play it with.

The trouble is, I keep trying to play it and i find it a bit unaccessible. Theres a training button, but it plays non-interactive movie, so I have to try and remember everything. Then when I end up on the runway (in the dark, with fog, and rain.. thanks a lot!) I struggle. I can get in the air but after that i'm lost again..

is there a way to play the training missions.. like practice takeoff and landings, and some basic flying skills?

also what nationality and plane should I fly first to get the hang of everything?

apologies if this has been asked a million times before, I just want to appreciate what must be a great game that is currently very intimidating!

many thanks!

Extreme_One
02-17-2005, 05:59 AM
Welcome aboard! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Two essential threads to help you get started.

After that if you have any further questions - just ask.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=8901086932

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51910959

OldPepper
02-17-2005, 07:57 AM
To practice take-offs and landings, you should learn the FMB. If you have FB and the Aces Expansion Pack, I could email you a few simple missions and a few of my favorite QMBs. Just PM me your email.

The FMB (Full Mission Builder) is confusing at first, but well worth the effort to learn. There are a few good tutorials to help you out there.

Some good starter planes are the Hurricane, P-40, Bf-109 (arguably). The J8A bi-plane is good too. Not sure if it's in the original FB.

It is a bit of a shame that the game doesn't ship with a few simple training missions you could then edit to taste in FMB. You could just edit some regarless and ignore the mission objectives...

Dillinger1977
02-17-2005, 10:43 AM
thanks for the advice so far!

I saw the link about combat advice for beginners, thats something to think about when i get competent at getting the thing up and down again. ive got to learn to walk first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oldpepper: ahh so you made some empty missions to try things like this out. I only have FB on its own so if you've got some missions that'd work on that i'd appreciate it. my email is gamecat666 (at) hotmail (dot) com

if not, no worries, i'll have a look at the builder myself. (whats a QMB?)

i'll have a go in those planes and see how i get on. again, I only have FB so im not sure I have some of those planes. I do have the 109 though.

dieg777
02-17-2005, 12:20 PM
Hi and welcolm

qmb= quick mission builder

baisically you select planes and start in the air

this site is a mine of useful info and will help you find all you need

www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com)

also see these threads

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9181071422&p=1

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4901007622&r=9131017622#9131017622


good luck

OldPepper
02-17-2005, 01:10 PM
I just sent you some starter missions. I hope they work. I also sent very brief instructions on the Full Mission Builder (FMB) that I will include here too.

5 minute FMB Guide:

1) Open the FMB (from within the game).

2) Load a map.

3) Open the "Object" pallette (View menu> Object.) (You can zoom in to areas by holding shift and dragging around the area you want to zoom to. You can also use the zoom slider on the left side of the map. You select things buy clicking on them and Unselect by right click-and-holding anywhere on the map and choosing "Unselect" from the pop-up menu.)

4) Select "Home Base" and control-left click on the airfield of your choice to place it. On the Object Pallette you should now see a "Properties" tab. Click that and make the Army "Red". You can adjust the radius as well. Make sure the radius encompasses the airfield.

5) Now UNselect the Homebase (right click-hold and select 'unselect' from the pop-up). In the object pallette, select "Aircraft". Pick the plane you want to practice with and then control-left click on the tip of the runway where youwant to lift-off from. Your plane in the game will appear on the oppsite tip of the runway...

This will place the first waypoint and the plane. Control-Click a couple more times to create a few waypoints going around the airfield. Make sure your plane is in the Red army in the properties tab. Select your fuel and weapons, markings, etc. You can change the plane at anytime as well.

6) Put the last waypoint on the other end of the runway. With that WP still selected, go to the "waypoint" tab in the Object pallette and select "Landing". On the first waypoint you made, set it to "Takeoff". For the other waypoints, you can type in the altitude and speed for each but they should be 'normfly' for the most part. 500m altitude and 200kph speed should be fine.

7) Finally, before play testing, click the "Plane" tab and make sure the "Player" box is checked on (you can place a flight as well by putting more than one plane in the # of planes area. This way your plane could be the leader (plane 1) or a wingman (2-4)).

Your "Takeoff" and "Landing" waypoints should be on the opposite ends of the runway. Your plane will begin on the opposite side of the runway where your Takeoff waypoint is!

8) Save the mission to a "Training" folder (you may need to make one) in the single missions folder of your FB install, then go to the File menu> Play. Enjoy!

You can place a few barrage balloons to shoot at as well!

The FMB is the bees-knees and you'll find yourself in it very often setting up various situations. There's a lot more to it than this, but this should get you started at least.

HTH

Friendly_flyer
02-17-2005, 02:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dillinger1977:
I do have the 109 though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learning to walk before you can run indeed! I'm afraid you've jumped into the pond at the deep end. The 109 is not a plane for novices. You'll be better served by some of the Russian planes.

If you need to teach your self the basics, I suggest starting with the P-11, Hurricane or one of the IL2s. Even if you don't get the hang of the FMB, flying around doing take-offs and landings in a P-11 is excellent training. The IL2 is fairly easy too, and hunting ground targets is good fun.

LEXX_Luthor
02-17-2005, 07:36 PM
The most "basic" trainer would have to be the old 4 engine TB~3 bomber but make sure you have Multiple Engine Start turned OFF in the Difficulty Menu. That way all engines are controlled like one engine. TB~3 takes off and lands by itself (feels like it anyway), and everything seems to happen in slow motion when you are flying TB~3, but its so much fun to fly when you first start out.

Beyond that, first trainer should be IL~2. Try the early version, 1941. Single seat.

If you get the Pacific Fighters, the D3A and SBD dive bombers make good Newbie trainers. Consider SBD as "T6 Texan" trainer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wellcome to Forgotten Board

LStarosta
02-17-2005, 07:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
The most "basic" trainer would have to be the old 4 engine TB~3 bomber but make sure you have Multiple Engine Start turned OFF in the Difficulty Menu. That way all engines are controlled like one engine. TB~3 takes off and lands by itself (feels like it anyway), and everything seems to happen in slow motion when you are flying TB~3, but its so much fun to fly when you first start out.

Beyond that, first trainer should be IL~2. Try the early version, 1941. Single seat.

If you get the Pacific Fighters, the D3A and SBD dive bombers make good Newbie trainers. Consider SBD as "T6 Texan" trainer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wellcome to Forgotten Board <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a load of bull. TB3 is not a good trainer. It has really awful maneuvering characteristics. The easiest plane to fly HAS to be the D3A1. Takes off like a charm, easy to maneuver, won't stall, and you can set it down really hard and it doesn't mind.

In FB, I'd really just pick a plane you like and just learn flying that. With a few exceptions, such as the Fw190, the P47 etc, most planes aren't that hard to get a grasp of.

LEXX_Luthor
02-17-2005, 09:04 PM
I don't think the Poster has PF. If not, he/she probably does not have D3A1. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


LS:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>TB3 is not a good trainer. It has really awful maneuvering characteristics. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, everything happens slow motion in TB~3, which is why I suggest it for basic first time wing bank and elevator up/down for a first time flight simmer who has never heard of "aileron." And, it takes off by itself and (almost) lands by itself. A good plane for somebody totally new to flight sims especially that we are lacking Flyable historical basic flight trainers like U~2 or possibly Fi~156.

Of course TB~3 is not useful for air *combat* training or "manuever" training, its not a "hot dogfighter" (everybody here is "hot dogfighter"). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seperate Engine Start is the switch in the Difficulty Menu. Click the switch so the light goes out to use TB~3 as if it had one simple engine.

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D3A superb trainer though, so ya, get the PF.

I wish I could suggest TBM~3 ("Avenger"), but its not to be... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

AlGroover
02-18-2005, 07:48 AM
If you look at the first campaign on offer, you get to fly the I16. This is a terror in experienced hands but not a plane for novices. If you have your FB patched to the most recent version, I suggest the P40 option for Soviet pilot on the Leningrad map.

LStarosta
02-18-2005, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I don't think the Poster has PF. If not, he/she probably does not have D3A1. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


LS:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>TB3 is not a good trainer. It has really awful maneuvering characteristics. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, _everything_ happens slow motion in TB~3, which is why I suggest it for basic first time wing bank and elevator up/down for a first time flight simmer who has never heard of "aileron." And, it takes off by itself and (almost) lands by itself. A good plane for somebody totally new to flight sims especially that we are lacking Flyable historical basic flight trainers like U~2 or possibly Fi~156.

Of course TB~3 is not useful for air *combat* training or "manuever" training, its not a "hot dogfighter" (everybody here is "hot dogfighter"). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

_Seperate Engine Start_ is the switch in the Difficulty Menu. Click the switch so the light goes out to use TB~3 as if it had one simple engine.

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D3A superb trainer though, so ya, get the PF.

I wish I could suggest TBM~3 ("Avenger"), but its not to be... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suggested FB alternatives for the poster.

Being a real pilot, I cannot be duped into believing that you don't need to practice maneuvers in order to become a proficient aviator. And since you agree with the TB3 having poor maneuvering characteristics, then you go ahead and put two and two together. The TB3 is a HORRIBLE trainer. What good is slow motion if it only babies you and keeps you from learning how to REALLY fly an aircraft correctly. Especially since flying IL2 is not a life/death matter, you're better off jumping into the deep end by trying out a single seat fighter right away. You'll learn a lot more a lot sooner.

My suggestion to the author of this thread: join a squad that would be willing to train you.