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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:58 AM
I made a quick check what exact variants they used in BOB and I found interest information you may want see it. You may bring up against that information or agree with it:


Spitfire Mk IA Supermarine Type 300. Initial production version - designated Mk I at first. Strengthened wings. First few aircraft with only 4 machine guns installed due to supply shortage. Fixed tailwheel in place of tailskid. Triple ejector exhausts. Merlin II engine driving 2-blade fixed-pitch Watts wooden propeller initially, then (78th aircraft onwards) de Havilland 3-blade variable pitch metal propeller. Merlin III driving 3-blade constant speed propeller from 175th aircraft onwards. Additions during production run: self-sealing fuel tanks, improved radio and IFF with thicker radio mast, bulged cockpit canopy, armoured external windscreen and steel plate armour behind and in front of pilot. Spitfire Mk IB Supermarine Type 300. Version of Mk I with two 20 mm Hispano cannon with 60 rpg. First batch (June 1940) with 2 cannon only. Second batch (November 1940) with 4 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns as well as 2 cannon in wings. Projecting gun barrels and blisters in top wing surface.

I wonder how Oleg decide which exact production # to model? maybe he will model serial number variants to cover different guns, add self-sealing tank, add armor even different type propeller and pitch propeller types.

Regards
SnowLeopard

Message Edited on 10/08/0310:59PM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:58 AM
I made a quick check what exact variants they used in BOB and I found interest information you may want see it. You may bring up against that information or agree with it:


Spitfire Mk IA Supermarine Type 300. Initial production version - designated Mk I at first. Strengthened wings. First few aircraft with only 4 machine guns installed due to supply shortage. Fixed tailwheel in place of tailskid. Triple ejector exhausts. Merlin II engine driving 2-blade fixed-pitch Watts wooden propeller initially, then (78th aircraft onwards) de Havilland 3-blade variable pitch metal propeller. Merlin III driving 3-blade constant speed propeller from 175th aircraft onwards. Additions during production run: self-sealing fuel tanks, improved radio and IFF with thicker radio mast, bulged cockpit canopy, armoured external windscreen and steel plate armour behind and in front of pilot. Spitfire Mk IB Supermarine Type 300. Version of Mk I with two 20 mm Hispano cannon with 60 rpg. First batch (June 1940) with 2 cannon only. Second batch (November 1940) with 4 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns as well as 2 cannon in wings. Projecting gun barrels and blisters in top wing surface.

I wonder how Oleg decide which exact production # to model? maybe he will model serial number variants to cover different guns, add self-sealing tank, add armor even different type propeller and pitch propeller types.

Regards
SnowLeopard

Message Edited on 10/08/0310:59PM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:28 PM
bump

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:45 PM
lets hope the .303 will do more ten scratch paint in BoB2005

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 05:45 PM
You've missed the MkII, not that there's much difference.

MkII.
As for MkI except:
Power plant: 1,175 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin XII, fitted with Coffman starter, driving a three-bladed Rotol propellor.
Weight: as for MkI +75 lb.
Performance: Maximum speed (IIA) 370 mph. Initial rate of climb 2,600 ft/min.
Deliveries of the MkII to the RAF began on June 3rd, 1940.

From 'The Narrow Margin' by Wood & Dempster.

Cheers!

WereSnowleopard wrote:
- I made a quick check what exact variants they used
- in BOB and I found interest information you may
- want see it. You may bring up against that
- information or agree with it:
-
-
- Spitfire Mk IA Supermarine Type 300. Initial
- production version - designated Mk I at first.
- Strengthened wings. First few aircraft with only 4
- machine guns installed due to supply shortage. Fixed
- tailwheel in place of tailskid. Triple ejector
- exhausts. Merlin II engine driving 2-blade
- fixed-pitch Watts wooden propeller initially, then
- (78th aircraft onwards) de Havilland 3-blade
- variable pitch metal propeller. Merlin III driving
- 3-blade constant speed propeller from 175th aircraft
- onwards. Additions during production run:
- self-sealing fuel tanks, improved radio and IFF with
- thicker radio mast, bulged cockpit canopy, armoured
- external windscreen and steel plate armour behind
- and in front of pilot. Spitfire Mk IB Supermarine
- Type 300. Version of Mk I with two 20 mm Hispano
- cannon with 60 rpg. First batch (June 1940) with 2
- cannon only. Second batch (November 1940) with 4
- 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns as well as 2
- cannon in wings. Projecting gun barrels and blisters
- in top wing surface.
-
- I wonder how Oleg decide which exact production # to
- model? maybe he will model serial number variants to
- cover different guns, add self-sealing tank, add
- armor even different type propeller and pitch
- propeller types.
-
- Regards
- SnowLeopard
-
-
- Message Edited on 10/08/03 10:59PM by
- WereSnowleopard



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:46 AM
I was half-expect that no one reply my post how excite they are talk about going to fly Spitfire. I think I know why...too light firepower in MK I? Maybe some of you will rather fly Hurricane I with more firepower. I guess we will start play between Bf 109E-4 and Hurricane I in FB to see effect/result.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:49 AM
When the Emil gets within the effective range of the 303s, it's toast. It's engine is so weak, just a few hits and it smokes like crazy. You have to be a kind of sharpshooter though.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:20 PM
I read book that Spitfire IB's cannon have serious jammed problem as I wonder same as Bf 109E-3' cannons. I do know that engine mounted cannon have jammed problem, so do it also wing cannon have same problem? I wonder if BOB2005 will have jamming guns factor. If Spitfire do have cannon problem but still fly it so that mean bf 109E-3 should have carry engine mounted cannon.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:39 PM
Operational Spits used in the BoB all had 8X.303 in the wings except for one squadron that operated the MK Ib, which had only the 2 20mm cannon, which were so notoriously prone to jamming, to the point that some leading lights(Bader, for example) wanted to stay with the 8 .303s. But they got most of the bugs out (patch 1.02?), and made them the primary armament from the MK Vb onwards (about mid-'41).

Two speed and constant speed props were also the norm by June 1940, in both the Hurricane and Spitfire.

Wing mounted MG-FFs did not have a jamming problem in the 109E series. The problem in the engine mounted cannon appears to have been engine vibration screwing up the ammo feed, although I don't remember exactly where I read it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 05:01 PM
There isn't any plane anywhere that has the romance of a Spitfire MKI with .303s. A ******ss in one hand and the flightstick in the other, hunting JU-87s and Bf-110 and Me-109s as they cross the Channel. Glorious! The ultimate A2A combat scenario. Can't wait!



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Buzz_25th
10-10-2003, 06:14 PM
I love taking the early Hurricane with 8 .303's against the 109e. It makes you work for you kills, but kills it gets for sure. You really need to get the 109 engine, but it's a fireball when you do. Then reverse it, and take the 109 against the Hurri. It seems like a fair fight both ways.

It's a good introduction to what BOB will be like.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 08:21 PM
Yes the mkI Ia and II were flown.

There was the mkIb though that 2x20mm cannons and incorporated the B wing as other spits did(though I have only seen this aircraft drawn in books0

If one considers the BOB to continue into 1941(well the blitz did) then MK Va and MKIIb were introduced.

The IIb being an upgunned II

and the V had an bigger engine in and waas the first of the more powerful mid war spits

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 09:42 PM
Mk1a, Mk1b, Mk2a, possibly Mk2b aswell. The Mk2 designation was given to the Spitfires produced at the Shadow factory in Birmingham known as Castle Bromwich. The first, P7282, arrived at No.611 Sqn on 22nd August 1940. The Mk2 was fitted with the Merlin XII engine running 100 octane fuel giving about 100hp more than the Merlin II fitted to the Mk1, plus other detail changes like coffman starting relpacing the electric start of the Merlin II. The speed, climb rate, and ceiling, were improved over the Mk1. The Mk2 could climb to 37,200 ft giving it a tactical advantage over the 109E of about 4000ft

A comment about the Mk2..."The British have, in part, a new engine in their Spitfires and our Me can hardly keep up with it. We have also made improvements and have also some new engines, but there is no more talk of absolute superiority. The other day we tangled with these newer Spitfires and had three losses against one success. I got into deep trouble, and my rottenhund (wingman, Sigi Voss) was shot down.

We were now beginninging to feel the effects of being constantly mauled by the RAF. Instead of the promised reduction in fighter opposition over England we were meeting ever more spirited attacks by the Spitfires and Hurricanes: whereas we, still in the front line, were slowly but inexorably bleeding to death. I was not untypical of the pilots in our Gruppe and I had recorded over 150 missions over the Channel"

Ulrich Steinhilper I/JG52

He wrote this at a time when his Gruppe had been reduced to 12 pilots from the original complement, and could often only muster 8 or 9 aircraft for a mission.



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