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Realjambo
07-24-2008, 04:05 AM
Bletchley Park, where code breakers worked tirelessly to unravel the intercepted Enigma encoded messages between BDU and U-Boats during WW2 has fallen into neglect, prompting academics to brand it a "national disgrace" that such a historic site was being allowed to fall into ruin. Makes for sad reading. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

You can read more about it Here - BBC Report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7517874.stm)

Bletchley Park's website (http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/)

Celeon999
07-24-2008, 04:53 AM
Thats indeed a shame http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


Why is it so hard to preserve such institutions with government spending ?

I will never understand how politicians waste billions every year for useless nonsense and when you then ask them for money to preserve a piece of history they claim they dont have any.

Its the same over here, if it is something they dont want it is "Oh, this is impossible because of certain laws, we cannot change them so easily" but if its something they want "Lets change that certain pesky law ! Should take about one week to get that through the parliament" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Goose_Green
07-24-2008, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Bletchley Park, where code breakers worked tirelessly to unravel the intercepted Enigma encoded messages between BDU and U-Boats during WW2 has fallen into neglect, prompting academics to brand it a "national disgrace" that such a historic site was being allowed to fall into ruin. Makes for sad reading. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

You can read more about it Here - BBC Report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7517874.stm)

Bletchley Park's website (http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/)

I heard about that on the radio last night. It is indeed a very sad thing to hear about. Bletchley is not the only one to suffer from this, countless museums and artifacts are under the same threat in this country and the government will stand by and let such exhibits of our history vanish - amazing since our PM is all about Britishness, I think he has forgotten about our culture and rich history. Breaking the enigma codes was one of the most infuential things that helped shape the war.

Realjambo
07-24-2008, 09:46 AM
Well said, Goose! I feel a petition coming on!

Goose_Green
07-24-2008, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Well said, Goose! I feel a petition coming on!

Thankyou http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But the last time I signed a petition (U-534) it proved to be a waste of time...politicians...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The phrase "Line them all up against a wall and shoot the wasters!" come to mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VikingGrandad
07-25-2008, 07:00 AM
Thanks for bringing this to our attention RJ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It's heartbreaking to think of such an important place in modern British history - in fact, world history - being neglected and falling into ruins. Unforgivable.


Originally posted by Realjambo:
I feel a petition coming on!

Just checked the 10 Downing Street website - there's already a petition running, currently with over 6,500 signatures:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/BletchleyPark/

If you're a UK resident or ex-pat, sign it! If you're not British, ask any British people you know to sign it!

This one's even more important than U-534, in my opinion.

VikingGrandad
07-25-2008, 07:09 AM
On a similar subject, read this article about the Western Approaches HQ museum in Liverpool:

A museum that must be cherished by the nation (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/columns/2008/07/21/a-museum-that-must-be-cherished-by-the-nation-64375-21375306/)

If there's hope for the Western Approaches museum, surely Bletchley Park has a chance of being preserved too?

Given their intrinsic historical relationship, I think Bletchley and the Western Approaches should be 'sister' museums - like the Imperial War Museum in London, Manchester and Duxford, or the RAF museums at Hendon and Cosford.

Celeon999
07-25-2008, 07:49 AM
With Jeremy Clarkson's admiration of ww2 history, he would be the right person to mention the petition on tv.


He's the kind of guy who wouldn't mind to spent a minute asking people to sign it.


Wrapped up in a tongue-in-cheek uboat debate with James May of course. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Just remember that he will fly in a spitfire in one episode of this season.

andy3536
07-25-2008, 08:34 AM
Just about to sign, it's a real shame it's got to this stage with such an important site.

M0ttie
07-25-2008, 03:10 PM
I signed up to a petition on the prime ministers web link for a national holiday to commemorate the fallen, cant remember the title but got a reply last week that 500,000 others did the same and its likely now to be implemented, issue is when.
Rather lottery money to this, preserving Bletchley Park, than some of the cr@p things they give it to like the olympics, thats got to be able to break even off its own back with just the TV rights all over the world but lottery pays, fat cats pocket the profit...... I know, trust me - they wont front with their own money and got the guaranteed payout once funding from the lottery was given. Basically they cant lose......
And Gordon being a 'Brit'...... your 'avin a larf mate..... Ask him after a few beers (or whiskies) and he wont say I'm British, it'll be I'm a Scot... oops, I mean a British Scot jimmy och aye.... Thats why he lives in Southern England, works in Southern England, makes his babies in Southern England and sends his wife to the homeland to have them, I mean a Scot cant have British kids eh?, nooooo, have to be born in the motherland. but then all mine were born in England, dont get me wrong I'm not knocking him for it but I wish these people would just tell it as it is.
I respect all who are loyal to their nation, I am English and will say so, Gordons a Scot and should say so..... Scotlands got its own parlaiment, the Welsh and N.Ireland have their own assemblies, England has nothing. We are the only nation in the EU not to have its own representation in the form of government, assembly or whatever. I personally dont like being discriminated against in my own country while others seem to get more better benefit from it, we're all 'British' after all aren't we?
I'm not racist at all but honestly believe I'm getting a raw deal here.
Aw nuts....... how the heck did I get started on this one!.
Oh well, life ban coming up.......

M0ttie
07-25-2008, 03:12 PM
Oh and before I'm banned for life.......
Forum quiz, whats the English National Anthem?

Answer: There isn't one.

klcarroll
07-25-2008, 03:30 PM
Oh well, life ban coming up.......

Well M0ttie, ......In order for me to issue a "Life Ban" here, I'd have to understand the politics of the UK far better than I do now just to figure out who you might have insulted!! (...Or if you left anyone out!) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I guess I'm going to have to leave this ban to RJ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

klcarroll

Realjambo
07-25-2008, 04:03 PM
Mottie, As a Forum Moderator - entrusted to uphold the Terms Of Use laid down by Ubisoft - and a UK based Moderator at that, you'll understand I have given considerable thought to the comments that you have posted in this thread. It's clear that you hold strong beliefs and knowing you as a regular and recognised member of this community I am at odds as to how to react to your posts. But, nobody puts RJ in a corner. Ever.

You indicated yourself by posting what you have above, that a 'life ban' was inevitable. Your words, not mine.

In my capacity as a Moderator I can't overlook this, I can't simply 'let it ride' so you'll understand then when I do this, I trust:

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parlaiment

.... It's spelt Parliament http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Goose_Green
07-25-2008, 04:12 PM
I've signed up - lets hope it does some good!

Realjambo
07-25-2008, 04:15 PM
I've signed up - lets hope it does some good!

Check! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

M0ttie
07-28-2008, 09:50 AM
Head over parapet........ IN THE CLEAR! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Personal note: - Apply to college for enrolment in English classes so's I can spell parley, parlaey, parlee........ government
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Celeon999
07-28-2008, 10:14 AM
Scotlands got its own parlaiment, the Welsh and N.Ireland have their own assemblies, England has nothing. We are the only nation in the EU not to have its own representation in the form of government, assembly or whatever.


But you've got her ! Isnt that ..somehow ..a representation ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/Files/kimage/HM%20Queen%20Elizabeth%20II,0.jpg

Kielhauler1961
07-28-2008, 12:33 PM
@ MOttie:

England DOES have it's own regional assembly. It's based at Westminster (next to the big clock). The regional assemblies for Scotland, Wales And N. Ireland are just a political device to keep the "minorities" content. They have no authority over tax revenue, which is where all "grown-up" governments start from.

I don't want to pay for an additional tier of English government, do you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

As a resident of London, I currently pay EU tax, British tax, London Authority tax (civil defence, flood, fire & police) and local authority council tax! No more, please... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

P.S. Just had my revised council tax bill through the mail: Boris' 2008-9 hairdressing expenses estimated at 210,000! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
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Ronin_32
07-28-2008, 12:33 PM
Mottie, I dont know where to begin with that. I will just bite my tounge but answer one of your comments, you bemoan the fact that England does not have its own parliment. Here is one stat.

Westminster Breakdown
England, 529. Scotland, 59. Wales, 40. Northern Ireland, 18

klcarroll
07-28-2008, 01:00 PM
Gee! .....You guys make me feel better!

For years now I have been absolutely convinced that Washington D.C. was the most Screwed-Up, "Bass-Ackwards", counterproductive piece of real estate on the planet!

It's really nice to see that other nations are striving to snatch First Place away from the U.S.!!!!! (I particularly like the 210,000 pound hairdressing allotment!)

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klcarroll

Ronin_32
07-28-2008, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by klcarroll:
Gee! .....You guys make me feel better!

For years now I have been absolutely convinced that Washington D.C. was the most Screwed-Up, "Bass-Ackwards", counterproductive piece of real estate on the planet!

It's really nice to see that other nations are striving to snatch First Place away from the U.S.!!!!! (I particularly like the 210,000 pound hairdressing allotment!)

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klcarroll

Two words

Electoral College

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Realjambo
07-28-2008, 03:06 PM
In the meantime! I trust you have all signed the petition? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif It's below my sig if you need the link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

klcarroll
07-28-2008, 03:37 PM
Two words

Electoral College

Yeah, ....well it just goes to show that college isn't always what it's cracked up to be! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

(...And besides, I was holding THAT in reserve just in case the Brits come close to grabbing "1st Place"!!!)

klcarroll

M0ttie
07-29-2008, 02:36 PM
Guys...........
I'm walking up to the post now, cigarette trembling due to nerves, I dont need the blindfold OK............. just dont miss.
Celeon, where did you get that picture of my mum?.
I made the queen walk round me once...... god I'm famous!
I dont care how many mp's there are, some can vote in Westminster on matters affecting the whole of the UK (ie. all of them) but not on matters relating to Scotland/Wales/ N.Ireland (only the select few namely the non English constituency mp's).
OK not all matters but a few that are dear to my heart like free/subsidised elderly care, free prescriptions and a few more .......
I dont get how an mp can vote yes in one country, come south and vote no for the same thing thereby denying the 'English' the same rights as the other nations. I dont object one bit to paying for the elderly, infirm or incapacitated but all I'm asking for is a level playing field.
How slanted is the field?....... look up the Barnett Formula.
Scrap that and divvy up the kitty fair and square like mates should and it would more than pay for another tier of 'English' gov't........
One Scottish lady replied to a blog on the subject of the Scots getting free care etc etc and suggested it was because the canny Scots were more thrifty with their cash so they could afford it whilst South of the border we just spent it for the hell of it. Its actually got nothing at all to do with them having several more sheckels to spend per head than the English.
So either share fair all round or I want autonomy for England....... hell some bloke on the radio this afternoon was going on about being able to fly the flag of Yorkshire in Yorkshire without getting prosecuted!.
Freedom for all - thats what I say!..........
Someone wake up the firing squad for gods sake.....

Realjambo
07-29-2008, 02:46 PM
The Petition to save Bletchley Park (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/BletchleyPark/)

M0ttie
07-29-2008, 02:51 PM
Oh forgot.... signed up as well.

Ronin_32
07-29-2008, 04:32 PM
Powers retained by westminster

Abortion
Broadcasting policy
Civil service
Common markets for UK goods and services
Constitution
Electricity, coal, oil, gas, nuclear energy
Defence and national security
Drug policy
Employment
Foreign policy and relations with Europe
Most aspects of transport safety and regulation
National lottery
Protection of borders
Social security
Stability of UK's fiscal, economic and monetary system

And you are suggesting Scotland should not have a say in Westminster?

By the way I do 100% agree that Scottish mp's should be banned from voting on English only issues.

Ronin_32
07-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Sorry for the double post here Mottie, you mentioned the Barnet formula and a level playing field.

England itself is not a level playing field when it comes to spend per head. London and the North East are getting roughly the same spend per head as Scotland where as the South East and the South West are receiving a quarter less per head.


Oh and petitio signed Jambo... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M0ttie
07-30-2008, 03:39 PM
Quote:

By the way I do 100% agree that Scottish mp's should be banned from voting on English only issues.

That'll do me.......... for a start.

I was born in the North (Cheshire) and now live in the SE just North of London.
I'll be blunt........ I cant wait to get my rear out of this country and will promptly do so once my youngest is set up and I can retire.
I'm paying a fortune for a pension, that's going to be taxed and if I live long enough to draw my state pension I have no doubt whatsoever that all of us who are taking the governments advice and are not chucking all our cash down our necks but looking to our old age will be means tested and guess what. You wont get the state pension because your OK mate, its them wots sat on their @rses all those years spending anything they earned or got in benefits who have no pension the government has to look after. If your pension comes in at less than the state pension then they'll top it up, bet your life you wont get both.
Like I said - no problem looking after the needy and there are lots out there who need help. If you live in this country then you know there's lots out there milking the system and living off our toil.
Nowt we can do about that as no party will want to be seen to take from the 'needy', there's that many their votes count and too many do gooders willing to shout about it if they did try to withdraw the benefits.......
Now I'm really depressed what with missing the Bismark and all that, my typing fingers getting well blistered and I really should be at sea sinking ships not bleating on about my lot in life so I've said my bit and will now drop the subject.

switchman72
08-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Well darn it all to u know where. i wanted to sign it, but youve got to be a bloody brit!

By the way just a question off topic...How in
the sam hill do u british afford to fill up a car over there? Isin't gas like 20 bucks a gallon!!!(Exagerrating) But seriously, i thought it was bad here in the U.S. untill i saw it was up to like 8 US dollars a gallon.

K_Freddie
08-02-2008, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by switchman72:
.. but youve got to be a bloody brit!...

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'Don't you know that England's the centre of the Universe'.. my wife's uncle (from Brighton) once told me.
'You should get out more' was my reply. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm currently reading 'Station X', a short book on Bletchley, full of interesting and funny (and serious) anecdotes of that time. I hope they preserve it as Brit museums are really good places to visit.

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K_Freddie
08-02-2008, 03:56 PM
Well, I went to the 'contact us' section and sent this...


I would like to object to not being able to sign the preservation of Bletchley Park petition. Not being a UK citizen (but EU) and living on South Africa, I (and many others) have a keen interest on this, and many other historical events of that time.

Having visited many excellent museums in London and the UK, I sincerely wish to see that Bletchley is preserved.

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Kielhauler1961
08-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I thought the whole country was a museum?

INCOMING.....! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

K_Freddie
08-02-2008, 03:58 PM
It is.. you must walk around a bit, support it by buying tankards of beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kielhauler1961
08-02-2008, 04:05 PM
I agree with the "tankards of beer" bit (although my favourite tipple is the yard of ale), but as for walking...we have millions of buses to keep that to a minimum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VikingGrandad
08-02-2008, 08:08 PM
The petition has already exceeded 10,000 signatures! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(there were 6,500 signatures a week ago)

Yorktown_Class
08-02-2008, 10:16 PM
This is indeed sad new,I am American,if I was British I would sign the petition,I did send it to a friend who lives in Houghton LE Springs,I know he will sign it.
I don't care in what country it is in,all the world should help preserve such a landmark,since it helped bring piece to the world,and no one worked harder for the war effort than the fine people who worked there..

Realjambo
08-21-2008, 02:56 AM
Here's a short BBC video 'Inside Bletchley Park' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7522010.stm)