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Mysticpuma2003
11-26-2007, 08:28 AM
Going to upgrade at Christmas from a 7900GTO, and there are a lot of 8800 chipsets out there.

I can, TBH, only afford one at the moment, but would like the option to upgrade in the future for SLi (yes I have mobo Asus P5N32E-Sli and 1000Watt PSU http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), so looking for user opinions on 8800's that they have used.

I would like to specify that the upper limit of my budget is 350, so come on guys (and gals), which would you choose or recommend?

I am initially looking at XFX as the brand of choice:

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurations....8800&seriesId=730995 (http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurations.jspa?series=GeForce%26trade%3B+ 8800&seriesId=730995)
and as I have a Dell 24" Monitor (1920x1200 res.), the card needs to have some 'Grunt!'.

Thanks for any advice, cheers, MP.

archermav
11-26-2007, 09:12 AM
Has to be an 8800GT if you are talking bang per buck. XFX have a 512mb Alpha Dog version which Scan actually have in stock!! (personally, I could not buy something called the Alpha Dog version, I'd feel like a spotty Herbert looking at porn)

Doolittle81
11-26-2007, 10:02 AM
I would go 8800GTX...nothing less. I'm sure the Ultra's are better but may not be needed...or worth the extra 100 Pounds Sterling. Likewise, the forthcoming 9XXX series will be very expensive at first, and very likely overkill. See my relatedDiscussion of the 8800GTX vis-a-vis the 9XXX card here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=702300#post702300)


Also, here is a
Sales site for 8800GTX's...right at your price point. (http://uk.shopping.com/xGS-8800_gtx)


Finally, here's an analysis of the GT versus GTX (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4059&Itemid=1)...it makes some good points for the cheaper GT, but note this comment therein:
"Geforce GTX scores better at high resolutions where you need faster and bigger memory, and this card definitely has it. However, at the most common gaming resolutions, 8800GT can almost match the GTX."

I run my GTX with my Samsung 24" monitor at 1920X1200 or 1920X1080....."High-res" as opposed to "common gaming res"

My rig:
<span class="ev_code_GREEN">
ASUS P5N32-E SLI, 680i
Dual core E6700 Cpu (Mobo upgradeable to Quad-Core)
2GB OCZ PC2 8800 (1100Mhz) RAM (Mobo upgradeable to 4Gb)
BFG 8800GTX Graphics card (Mobo upgradable to two 8800GTX cards in SLI configuration if ever necessary)
Audigy2 ZS
4 Seagate 400GB hard drives in a 0+1 RAID array
Plextor PX-800A
Samsung 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1200 native
Windows VISTA 32bit</span>

Doolittle81
11-26-2007, 10:40 AM
For what it is worth, here is an interesting chart I just stumbled across:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc190/satech62/final_chart.png

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-26-2007, 10:50 AM
Bang-for-buck it's hard...nigh impossible...to beat the 8800GT. That certainly doesn't mean it's faster than a GTX, but it's also >40% cheaper for >80% of the performance.

You'd be better off getting 2x 8800GT's and running SLI at 1920x1200 than you would with a single GTX. More frame buffer, runs cooler and almost the same price. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


TB

Viper2005_
11-26-2007, 11:47 AM
When I did the performance trade studies a few months ago I ended up buying a GTX.

(I investigated the twin GT option as an alternative, but concluded that it was inefficient due to the extra cost of an SLI motherboard and a larger PSU.)

Manos1
11-26-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
and as I have a Dell 24" Monitor (1920x1200 res.), the card needs to have some 'Grunt!'.

If you are fgoing to play at these high resolutions then probably the 8800GTX is the right choice.
The higher the resolution the better the GTX series is (I should know, I just bought myself two of them...) The price is ofcourse way out of sync http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

If you can handle with less power then 8800GT is the best choice and probably (if it is still within budget) the NEW 8800GTS ver2 (the new model).

~S~

Xiolablu3
11-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Mate, keep your 7900Gt , its fine.

Wait for the next series of cards, then get a 8800, you will get it much cheaper.

JG51_Rudel
11-26-2007, 01:15 PM
I just got an XFX 8800GT for $220 US Dollars during the black Friday Sale and sold my 8800gts to my cousin for $250 so i made a profit and have better performance.

WTE_Ibis
11-27-2007, 12:53 AM
Don't you like your cousin?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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mbfRoy
11-27-2007, 05:15 AM
Keep in mind that the 8800GT is going to be more noisy than a GTX. If noise is not a problem, I'd go for it!

Xiolablu3
11-27-2007, 01:25 PM
The problem with SLI is demonstrated with this example :-


You buy a 6800GT (For example) and then by the time you actually NEED extra perforamnce for games, the new series of cards are significantly faster than an 6800GT in SLI, so you may as well sell your 6800GT and get a 7800GT instead.

Its always happened like this. From the days of 3DFX using SLI mode. I remember everyone was excited about Voodoo 2's in SLI mode, only for the Voodoo 3 to be much faster than Voodoo2's in SLI.

SLI only seems to be any use if you want ridiculous performance (far beyond what any game needs at the time) from ridiculously expensive cards. For example buying 2 8800GT's for SLI today.

Two 8600Gt's in SLI is pointless, you may as well get a 8800GT.

I guess SLI is pointing the way to Dual Core GPU's for the future however, so its inevitable. The Gfx card companies can make money from consumers while they iron out the bugs in the technology by using htem as unpaid beta testers. Once its working OK , they will look towards fitting two GPU chips to one card. Like dual core and quad core CPU's.

Manos1
11-27-2007, 01:29 PM
You are right about that with the SLI configurations Xiolablu3.

Here is an interesting article:

[Comparison]HD 3870 Crossfire vs 8800GT SLI

http://en.expreview.com/?p=53

It looks as if the ATI3870 configuration for its price is the right way to go...

Enjoy !

Still, I went for two 8800GTX myself because that is the fastest thing I can get today, at no comparison to the value for money of course

~S~

Kauzio
11-27-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
When I did the performance trade studies a few months ago I ended up buying a GTX.

(I investigated the twin GT option as an alternative, but concluded that it was inefficient due to the extra cost of an SLI motherboard and a larger PSU.)
The GT wasn't out a few months ago, must have been the GTS

Xiolablu3
11-27-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Manos1:

Still, I went for two 8800GTX myself because that is the fastest thing I can get today, at no comparison to the value for money of course

~S~

Yes, mate, agree.

Yours is the only real reason to get SLI in my opinion.

If you have the money and want the fastest thing you can get.

Mysticpuma2003
11-28-2007, 09:45 AM
Lots of good advice there guys, thanks for your efforts.

Tricky position as I want to upgrade the card (already have P5n32E-Sli, 4GB OCZ 8500, Soundblaster X-fi Elite Pro, Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W PSU, Intel Core2 Quad 6700 2.66Ghz LGA775 Processor and Dell 24" Monitor), but with the release of the 9 series coming soon....well what do I do?

I'm thinking that buying a 9 series at the 350 will guarantee future upgrades (while the series lasts), and possibly be equal if not out=perform the 8800GTX.

However, with the release of the 9 series, as usually happens, the previous series will take a drop in price meaning the 8800GTX could be available in the 250 region, and it does already have a huge performance onboard!

So do I get the 'cheaper' 8800GTX or invest (and wait) for the 9 series to arrive?

Thoughts please, thanks again, cheers, MP.

Jaws2002
11-28-2007, 11:24 AM
Hello MP. I'm also looking around for upgrade options this time and i did a bit of digging.

The nvidia 8800GT released few weeks ago is actualy made on the new (9xxxx) series chip.

From what i read on various hardware forums and sites, the next gen 8800GTS is due to be released on December 11th. From all I read there's chance this card will trash the curent 8800GTX (one year old card that costs an arm and a leg) and will be sold for 300-350US$.
Some of the spects floating around for this new G92GTS:
"Specifications listed in the leaked slide include a 650MHz core clock speed, 970MHz memory clock, and 512MB of GDDR3 memory, while Mobile01 also mentions 128 stream processors, a 1625MHz SP clock, a 256-bit memory interface, and a price tag in the $299-349 range.

For reference, the original GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB has 96 SPs, a 500MHz clock speed, 640MB of 800MHz GDDR3 RAM running off a 320-bit bus, and retail pricing that starts near the $350 mark. Reportedly, the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB is scheduled to launch on December 11, just over a month after the GeForce 8800 GT."



in my oppinion is not worth getting an old GTX or ultra now. The new cards are going to be cheaper, DX10.1 compatible and will most likely beat them in most if not all games and apps.

i'd say wait for them two more weeks.

one more idea. You may get one from evga and have the option to ugrade to the next best thing within 90 days from the original purchase paying only the price difference. So you may get the G92 GTS in december and if the new GTX based on G92 comes out in the next 3 months you can just use the upgrade option and get the next king when it comes out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

few links:

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13684

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=535742

Xiolablu3
11-28-2007, 11:44 AM
I would say just wait until the new series of cards come out, its not like your 7900 is lacking power.

But I am a man who likes to get serious 'bang for buck' rather than spend a lot of money on things.

I would think that the new series of cards can not be far off now, we have been at the Nv 8xxx and ATI X2XXX series for along time now.

The only game where a 8XXX series would come in handy is if you want to play higher than medium settings on Crysis. My 4200+X2 and 7900GS played well on Medium settings in the jungle, struggling a bit on the last boss fight on the ship.

I have not seen another game that really taxes my 7900GS yet.

claypidgon
11-28-2007, 02:18 PM
I have an 8800ULTRA and nothing slows it down...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
11-28-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by claypidgon:
I have an 8800ULTRA and nothing slows it down...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crysis on Very High 1600x1200 settings will slow it right down.

My friend has a Core2Duo with 8800GT and it struggles with Crysis on such high settings.

Also you are paying insane amounts for the 8800Ultra, so its not really an option for 'bang for buck',

My 7900GS was 60, I am guessing the 8800Ultra was around 6 times that price, it doesnt give anywhere near 6times the performance.

claypidgon
11-28-2007, 04:16 PM
I havent found a game yet that will slow it down..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Core 2 Duo X6800 @3.4
Asus Motherboard P5BDELUXEWIFI
OCZ 2Gig 15-5-5-5 memory kit DDR2 OCZ2N1066SR2GK 2 x 2 gig kits
(4 gigs total)
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra BFGE88768UE
Western Digital 160gig sata II 16mb
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer SB0730VP
Cooler master CM Stacker 830 Silver
OCZ Gamer extreme PS 1010wat OCZ1010GXSSLI
Samsung Optical (DVD/CDRW)
Windows XP Pro 32bit SP2

Chris0382
11-28-2007, 04:22 PM
I think DIRT and Gears of War are demanding programs.

With LCDS getting cheaper and larger and requiring higher native resolution, these better cards are needed as LCDs look poorer when you have to drop the resolution below native res. to play a game.

Jaws2002
11-28-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by claypidgon:
I have an 8800ULTRA and nothing slows it down...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's a good chance Nvidia 8800GTS 512MB, coming Dec 11,will give your ultra a run for it's money at half it's price.

Mysticpuma2003
12-01-2007, 01:19 AM
Sorry guys, I have been out of the 'buying technology' loop for about 4-5 months since my last upgrade.

I see that Nvidia already have an 8800 GTS available, so I can imaginge re and 'e' tailers off-loading these around December 11th.

What do I need to ask/look for to make sure I order the new 8800 GTS?

As you can see from the above, I think you have helped me to decide and thanks very much for your input.

Just need that final detail (and UK sellers if anyone knows of any).

Thanks again, MP.

WTE_Ibis
12-01-2007, 02:35 AM
Mystic don't buy the current GTS it is slower than the GT.

Check this out before you buy.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/3870-XXX/index.php

Jaws2002
12-01-2007, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
Sorry guys, I have been out of the 'buying technology' loop for about 4-5 months since my last upgrade.

I see that Nvidia already have an 8800 GTS available, so I can imaginge re and 'e' tailers off-loading these around December 11th.


What do I need to ask/look for to make sure I order the new 8800 GTS?

As you can see from the above, I think you have helped me to decide and thanks very much for your input.

Just need that final detail (and UK sellers if anyone knows of any).

Thanks again, MP.



The new GTS is coming with <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">512MB of memory</span>


Don't order the old ones that came with 320MB or 640MB.

THis should be the easiest difference to see. You can allways ask to make sure is made with the new G92 GPU.

I saw some tests twoo days ago. i'll digg them in few min.

Jaws2002
12-01-2007, 10:25 AM
Here are some tests done on the new Stock GTS:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1234/nvidia_geforce_8...92_tested/index.html (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1234/nvidia_geforce_8800gts_512mb_g92_tested/index.html)


As you can see the new GTS at stock speed beats in most tests an overclocked 8800GTX that costs almost twice as much.

I'd say when it comes out, on 11-th, it will be the best bang-for-the buck.

TX-EcoDragon
12-01-2007, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Bang-for-buck it's hard...nigh impossible...to beat the 8800GT. That certainly doesn't mean it's faster than a GTX, but it's also >40% cheaper for >80% of the performance.

You'd be better off getting 2x 8800GT's and running SLI at 1920x1200 than you would with a single GTX. More frame buffer, runs cooler and almost the same price. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


TB

Exactly. . .if you've got the money for an 8800GTX, get two 8800GTs, if you only have the money for a single card, get one 8800GT.

The new 8800GTS is also coming, but from what I've seen so far it's not much of an improvement over the GT for the price premium you pay, so you will have to make the call there.


Good luck.

Lucius_Esox
12-01-2007, 03:47 PM
Bought a standard ecs 8800gt for 180. Stock speeds. I've got a 19" crt monitor with a max res of 1600x1200. The card runs most in these res's perfectly. Crysis btw will slow ANY rig down, especially towards the end, humbles any mc.

Opteron 180@2.85ghz, 2gig Geil pc3200, Ecs 8800gt, Audigy 2ZS.

Mysticpuma2003
12-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Jaws, thanks for the benchmarks.

They are very useful and have made me decide on the GTS. I said in the original post that I wanted to make the most of my 24" Dell, and the GTS pulls away from the GT in the 1920x1200 res. which is where I'll be!

However.. I see the GT listed at 170, so I could buy two of those within my budget and run them Sli....hmmmm.

I did ask this question to myself, but then, thinking about it, the 8800GTS will run everything I want it to at the moment, and then, if BoB makes it struggle, I can just add another GTS...which should pacify it's demands http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks everyone for your replies, hopefully (as I can't get a price yet) the GTS will be around the 230-270 range...here's hoping.

Finally, thanks for the 512mb identification of the new GTS Jaws (sounds like a good card name that... The Nvidia 8800GTS 'Jaws'...kills all know frame-rates!)

Cheers, MP.

Jaws2002
12-02-2007, 11:58 AM
One more thing. You should have a look at EVGA'a Step-Up program. There's a good chance nvidia will launch the next generation cards in February and you could just upgrade to a newer card if you want. i find this deal great for flexibility. No other vendor offers this sweet deal.


http://www.evga.com/stepup/default.asp?switch=3