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Pirschjaeger
01-01-2007, 11:14 AM
As an EU citizen I just wanted to take a minute to welcome our Bulgarian and Romanian forum members to the European Union.

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ploughman
01-01-2007, 11:24 AM
Indeed, welcome. The accession of new member states is one of the few things that excites me about the EU at the moment.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
01-01-2007, 11:29 AM
Well I am not as happy, not to rain on your parade, but why let members in who can't enjoy all the benefits of memberships (yet). Romanians and Bulgarians still have many restrictions on their ability to travel and find work etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Oh and I am an EU citizen (as well as Canadian) so can put my 2 eurocents in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
01-01-2007, 11:36 AM
Restrictions or incentives?

Although many are talking about the dangers of cheap labor flooding the western markets, I think it's more important to see that they upgrade their justice systems. I think these restrictions, in the long run, benefit the people of Romania and Bulgaria by placing more pressure on their governments to be more responsible.

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01-01-2007, 12:53 PM
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MB_Avro_UK
01-01-2007, 04:01 PM
hey PJ!

I may have to take a backseat for this discussion and buy a mountain of pop-corn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Our British Government estimated that 130,000 Poles would enter the UK when Poland joined the EU. So far,at LEAST 500,000 Poles are in the UK according to Government statistics.

Britain is a popular option worldwide as we do not have Identity Cards and we also have a very Liberal/Labour Government.

It always amazes me that asylum-seekers from world-wide will cross European states to reach Britain without seeking sanctuary elsewhere in Europe.

If this thread is locked,blame me PJ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

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MB_Avro.

DuxCorvan
01-01-2007, 04:14 PM
And bye bye to Andalusian cohesion funds... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy for the new members, but even so...

Choctaw111
01-01-2007, 04:31 PM
I have a brother and his wife and daughter in Romania. He is fighting in Afghanistan right now and will be back home in Romania in less than 3 weeks. Multumesc. O zi frumosa.

MadBadVlad
01-01-2007, 04:50 PM
Lets hope membership boosts their economies and paychecks somewhat (doubt it though) or we will all have new Romanian and Bulgarian neighbours in the UK. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

carguy_
01-01-2007, 06:31 PM
I`m not too happy about those states joining although I understand.

In a long run I think we will all benefit.

Poland took away many E that normally would go to Spain or Greece.Now Romania and Bulgaria will take some from Poland.Not only the "poorest regions support" money.

I hope their governments will organise better than our.Just can`t stand watching the news seeing lots of E going to waste because some buisness plan was bad or somebody ran off with the cash.

EU is here to control,EU is here to help.

I have prejudices against both Romanian and Bulgarian ppl.However,this should not be the factor that prevents giving them a chance of building a better world.

Statistically IIRC every EU citizen pays 10E/year for funds to newly joined states.THX!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pirschjaeger
01-01-2007, 07:53 PM
I once asked a German what he thought of the EU. He lean towards me a quietly said "We finally won." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The member states' long histories can be summed up with one word; war. The EU has been the dream of many conquerers but until recently the dreams of the individuals have been the nightmares of the masses. The EU is finally here but this time through diplomacy. I can't help but think of the US 300+ years ago when thinking of the EU's expansion. For the most part the US has been a good thing especially when you consider personal freedom.

Of course there will always be sacrifices, especially in the more developed western EU economies. But how else can we achieve a balance? Overnight the Germans had to start paying double for everything but even still, relative to the rest of the world, Germans are rich. I think it's a small sacrifice in the war against poverty.

Just like the US centuries ago there are problems and they are to be expected but the end results are already foreseeable and definitely worth it. There will always be growing pains.

The EU has had some very positive effects globally. Its weight also helps to keep necessary balances, especially when thinking in terms of "super powers".

I'm just happy to see the lessfortunate become part of the morefortunate, even if I have to pay for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DKoor
01-01-2007, 08:19 PM
Well EU is far, far away from being something that will ensure the same fair chances for all, but we are heading in the right direction.
Some things "in-there" are just plain silly, but anyhow we shouldn't let the bitterness take over... we should be happy for many of those poor Romanian and Bulgarian peasants and workers who feel that they'll receive small bits from all this. They'll just continue to live and fight in their misery.
Who will benefit? Well I can think of rich people, mainly.

Perhaps I forgot... perhaps those unfortunate ones can have their WP's (work permits) more easily now to go in western countries of EU (to those fortunate ones) and work their arses for peanuts (BTW that is probably what most of them DREAMS of). So in a way they will benefit, but I think that rich people could benefit more by paying them less than their own workers... and who ends up $crewed? Workers, just in different country.

EU anyone?

You are a good man PJ but unfortunately most of people are not, and aren't ready for any compromises especially when they don't smell $ in them.


Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
As an EU citizen I just wanted to take a minute to welcome our Bulgarian and Romanian forum members to the European Union.

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Pirschjaeger
01-01-2007, 08:51 PM
I was speaking to a Hungarian woman a while back. Her complaint was that the rich Austrians were crossing the border for low cost services such as dentistry.

I sarcastically said "You mean those Austrians are spending their money in your country? That's terrible." She said nothing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Everything is relative to time. People tend to look at the world as if it didn't exist before them nor will exist after them. We have to look at the big picture. For a nation to go from the chokehold of the USSR to the opportunities of the EU in only 17 years is in itself somewhat amazing.

We have to think of future generations and know that they will be better off than the present or recent past generations.

I've been to more areas and cities in Germany than most Germans will ever see. In my travels through the former DDR I saw the mess left by the USSR. It's not pretty. I think the western EU citizens should take a break from their expensive African, South American, and Asian vacations and spend a little money in the Eastern EU states. Somehow I feel there will be a lot less complaining in the west once they see the damage.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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