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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:14 AM
I just pieced together the 3 piece janes muesem section into one image for any of those who want it. I also plane to take camtasia sound and video captures of all the historical clips of the planes and hopefully willey will host them on his site.

Damn I miss the creaks of fuselage overstressing.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:14 AM
I just pieced together the 3 piece janes muesem section into one image for any of those who want it. I also plane to take camtasia sound and video captures of all the historical clips of the planes and hopefully willey will host them on his site.

Damn I miss the creaks of fuselage overstressing.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:39 AM
Nice one!

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:42 AM
Hey Lead that is pretty nice!! Are those the graphics of Janes??!! Niiiiiiice!!! How are the land and sky textures?


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 02:45 AM
THAT was the BEST flight sim every made. no game was ever more fun than janes ww2 fighters. F.B. is better but its not half as fun as janes was from 1998 thru 2001. if ya werent there ya missed out big time. the huge tournaments the online community. it did it all top notch. p.s. the people in that community were hilarious.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:06 AM
Yeah, Jane's was awesome. It had some of the best graphics for its time, but as for realism...well it was 1998, realism was obviously beyond their reach, all a stall ment was the cockpit shook and you moved slower. Still, I've never met a sim that was so fun. *sigh*
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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:23 AM
No Bearcat

Thats not the graphics. But it was a very cool game for its time. And all the extras like film footage music museum that was awsum.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:55 AM
Janes was fun and for 1998 it looked outstanding. Much more enjoyable that its competitors CFS1 and EAW. However, the all time most fun combat flightsim experience was Chuck Yeager's Air Combat. Forget historical realism...you haven't lived until you've mixed it up with a skyfull of Luftwaffe planes in your trusty F4 Phantom with it's sidewinder missles and vulcan cannon! How I wish Oleg and co would let their hair down just a little and give us at least one modern Jet and maybe one WW1 plane just so we can take a plug at time travel!

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 04:05 AM
Janes WWWII was fantastic for its time. I still play it and still enjoy it. The manual was what manuals should be like. Reviews on planes, strategies and background on the war at that time help give greater perspective.The cut scenes are great.
Think I'll go and have a little play with it!

Nice job with the screen. Thanks

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:13 AM
Even better was taking your Mig 15 and F-86 Sabre vs. a F-4 or Mig-21.

Actually managed to get the F-4 once in a P-51 by using the mountains to stop missiles.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:26 AM
They have a sequal to janes wwii fighters called janes attack squadron but it isnt as good although the terrain is much better, still i think a sim isnt realistic without airframe overstressing. Hence the fb bat turns and stall manuever with very minimal energy loss no wwii planes airframe could have taken the stress.

cfs3 for its stick pressure in dives you cant recover from cfs2s idea of fuel mixtures prop pitch canopies that open, airwarriors first giant smooth running online play. il2 & fb tracer smoke gun trajectories "still need patching", water & terrain, One day maybe a wwii flight sim will have all of these.


Janes wwii fighters has a few hundred addons which are great planes maps mis etc

http://www.ww2fighters.net/

the guy Rammjager's stuff is the best you should reinstall it or pick up a copy for 5 bucks lots of fun.

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Message Edited on 06/26/0304:31AM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:40 AM
Jane's mission builder is terrific...it would be just flaborgastic awesome to have an FMB like it.

You can place division objects in the mission builder...a whole division with all the objects in one placement.

It has a multitude of triggers in the MB as well.

A great tool /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The aircraft flight and damage models are just pure starwars. I have it on my HDD, but don't use it. I'm just always turned off with it after a few minutes. All you have to do is aim in the direction of the enemy and down they go. The hit bubble must be about 5 times the size of the aircraft.

Nothing to it....you can take out a half dozen bombers per mission.

The graphics are great, not as good as IL2-FB...but good.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:45 AM
I agree and the auto aim shots on target are a bit cheesy but bnz tactics work well the p47 was king.

Fb really needs the fuselage overstressing, them support wires are there for a reason. some of the moves you can pull off in fb would have torn a real wwii plane to shreds. Still FB its the best thing thats out just cant wait for the patch to fix alot of performance probs especially online play fms and teflon coated wood

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Message Edited on 06/26/0306:26AM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 08:09 AM
you had to set guns on hard and fm 5 in janes ww2 fighters. hard guns meant no bubble around plane. and fm five meant you Definitely did stall. default offline settings were easy guns ...bullets tracked you...and fm 3 ....no stalling really..,.. oh and with the new add ons for janes the graphics are as good as F.B. now....its true. that game had graphics potential. nobody did it cuz graphics cards couldnt handle it back then....now that game looks as good as this. and they have doras etc now for it. definitely an awesome game now that its updated. just no one to fly against

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 08:37 AM
Oh yeah those were the times (sniff, wipes the tear from the corner of the eye). In many respects much better than even FB. Solid FM that pronounced the weaknesses and strengths of each fighter, a very well matched set. Oh yeah that creaking sound really gave you the feeling that now you're doing some real turning. Jug was a target down low on the deck but if somebody knew his beer - respect.

Usually it was the Spitfire guys who wanted to fly fm 3, with fm 5 it was possible to beat a spit with Bf in a hard turn fight, with fm 3 it was different story. And FW was really a worthy opponent. You knew exactly what you can do against which kind of opponent and what he's going to try and how, if he knows what he's doing. Good DM, you hit him hard he's dead - no discussion of obsolete machine guns and alike, no ambitious, complicated not working BS.

And absolutely great magnificent manual not just a lame a$$ sorry excuse.

I bought EAW back then and gave it back within one week, couple of weeks later I got WW2F and got real bang for my bucks.

All in all a real milestone in the simulation right next to Longbows. Pity, Jane's has sunken again more to the USNF level.

The only missing part was the great online wars like in FB which is nowadays the kicks for me.

I think a next sim for me would be something like that with limited set of planes for users, well made and realistic FM, lots of minute details (idea of CEM but realized and functional and complicated) and a possibility for online wars, maybe addition of user maps etc. No real offline features - a lame campaign like in WW2F would suffice.

michapma
06-26-2003, 08:46 AM
I bought Jane's WWII Fighters on sale in the States on vacation a few weeks ago, but it only has the cd. That means I have no documentation beyond what's on the back of the CD and the keyboard layout in PDF form. By some miracle it works on Win2k, but I have the huge problem that no text shows up onscreen, and the movies don't play. The no-text thingy makes using the program pretty hard.

Could anyone point me to some online resources or documentation? I found a few sites, but they didn't seem to offer the help I need.

Thanks,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:10 AM
I think you should try http://www.www2fighters.net or something like that there was a third party update for w2k.
IRC I got it running in w2k but I had problems later with hyperlobby and gave up trying. You should also search for the last official patch...1.08 I think.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:37 AM
Crabhart wrote:
- Yeah, Jane's was awesome. It had some of the best
- graphics for its time, but as for realism...well it
- was 1998, realism was obviously beyond their reach,
- all a stall ment was the cockpit shook and you moved
- slower. Still, I've never met a sim that was so fun.

The latest tweaks to the flight models improve that
somewhat in that you can stall and spin after a fashion,
although there seems to be limited energy bleed. P47
roll rate is pretty much spot on, though.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:38 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- They have a sequal to janes wwii fighters called
- janes attack squadron

Completely different developers, though.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:47 AM
WWII fighters is still very much worth playing,third party developers have pushed this sim's graphics up to date,and there's a lot of development still goin' on!!!

http://www.ww2fighters.net/


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http://www.ww2fighters.net/images/p47/WTW_02.jpg


Message Edited on 06/26/0309:50AM by vroelofs

michapma
06-26-2003, 10:05 AM
Thanks a lot, guys. Ugly_Kid, one to many w's in the URL. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Mike

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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</font></td><td align="center">

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:08 AM
Yep in those days there was fun.... and there where absolute differences between the planes. However the FB sucked it gave the planes there own face like spit good turnfighter 109 good B and Z plane etc etc.EAW and Janes!!!
FB is nice but the magic of airwarrior isn't there, where you can take or loose the airstrip your flying from, or team up in a bomber or a full air assault on the position of the enemy. Nope in FB, (how good and nice it is do not get me wrong), that team spirit and online coop and gentlemen like conduct is not there.

Hell I miss those days........

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:18 AM
I missed WW2 fighters, (too busy playing halflife at that time :P)

BUT Janes Attack Squadron absolute pants, DO NOT get this, I thought u had all gone mad as Janes Attack Squad has the Janes name but apparantly its by different developers so I guess that explains it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

The sea is basically a big blue blob, the textures and colours are bad.

I can't beleive its anything like WW2 fighters the way you guys are talking about it. FB pi**es all over Attack squadron.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:48 PM
Yes, DO NOT presume Attack Squadron is anything other than a coaster. It say's "Janes" on it but don't believe it for a minute! Funny, I was unaware WW2 fighters had much 3rd party support. I might just reinstall it. Like everybody else, I really miss the creaking structure in tight turns and the other sounds. I have no idea if it was realistic and don't care. Game developers need to remember that most of us like to be entertained more than educated. The only critical shortcoming of FB from my perspective are it's amazingly poor sounds. The original IL2 had great sound and regaled us with all the whizzes, bangs, pops, and thuds I'd expect from a Hollywood air combat flick (which let's face it, is the frame of reference for 90% of us playing computer games). Here's hoping Oleg and Co go back to what was so great the first time out. If they do FB will assure itself of being the al time greatest WW2 combat sim!

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 06:55 PM
I hope olegs eyes read this and makes him think about adding fuselage overstressing into FB

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Message Edited on 06/26/0306:16PM by LeadSpitter_

ZG77_Nagual
06-26-2003, 07:05 PM
Janes was a blast - outstanding competition 'aow' and just a great time all round - also some excellent 3d mods once the game was cracked - heres a mkxiv spit built for the janes ww2 by rammjaeger I believe.
My only frustration with it was the 'damage sphere' approach to damage modeling - and the simplistic flight models which limited the degree to which one could refine tactics. Il2/fb resolves that. The eye candy in Janes is still outstanding.

http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/spitmkxivjanes.jpg



http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p47janes.jpg


Message Edited on 06/26/0302:08PM by ZG77_Nagual

RichardI
06-26-2003, 07:10 PM
Ahhh Jane's WWII Fighters!
What a great game that was. The pic you posted was one of my favourite places in the game. The Museum, I think they called it. Unbelievable graphics for its time. The skins Hammerd did for most of the planes were as good as the ones we have today (well, almost)...
Thanks for the reminder...

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ZG77_Nagual
06-26-2003, 07:15 PM
http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p51b.jpg
(p51b with 'malcom hood' - another janes mod)

Actually - the skins were better before they went to 1024x768 - and the 3d models could be broken up into pieces - in terms of quality of plane 3d models - the janes mods still are competitive - with some limits.

http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p47janes.jpg


Message Edited on 06/26/0302:17PM by ZG77_Nagual

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:26 PM
"Jane's Attack Squadron" started out as an Electronic Arts title with Looking Glass Studios developing it. Then the project got put on hold around 1999 and finally shelved for good when EA decided to pull the plug. So the game just sat unfinished for several years until XiCat bought up "Attack Squadron" and had MadDoc Studios finish it as best as they could.

When it was released in late 2001 (?) it was already an old sim and the graphics show that. I think it also suffered from the new developers trying to figure out where the original creators left off, and from the publisher wanting to get it out on the shelves with as little an investment as possible.

It's history of changing developers not withstanding, I still wouldn't call it a sequel to "Jane's WWII Fighters" any more than I would call "Jane's F-15" a sequel to WW2F.



Message Edited on 06/26/0306:29PM by JT_Skycat

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:32 PM
How did Jane's handle large numbers on a server?

did it have coop's like fb?

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:37 PM
yeah had coop missions that were excellent against ais, bombing runs, and landing was 1000 times tougher then fb, shooting deer along the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif also it had the best impact slides out of any other game with twist metal sounds i had to crash over 1000 times to just watch it in flyby view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
06-26-2003, 07:45 PM
Janes doesn't have nifty features like skin downloads. When I was playing online it was via modem - but I think we all had lots of problems with lag - which often made dogfights very er.. intuitive. The aircraft flight models were pretty rigid - new models have been written - which are an improvement - but they still use the same system. Basically the competitions were ruled for the most part by p47s - this bird had tremendous climb and firepower - so it ruled. There were also little exploits - like using autotrim on certain planes in certain speed ranges could significantly boost your turn rate. The P47 - for example - could usually outturn a mustang. Other problems like misreported ranges in the vertical etc. etc contributed to the the use of limited strategies to win.
Compaired to IL2FB in the flight model arena janes ww2 is very very primitive - when it came out however it was unbelieveable and remains quite impressive even now - with some of us still flying it from time to time.


http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p47janes.jpg

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:53 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
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Yeah, and the screaming sound in a dive.. loved that one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 08:49 PM
After reading all this, I installed WWII fighters on my pc! Man it still looks awesome! I mean, it's even better because last time I played this game on was a PII 400 or something. Now I'm flying on P4 2.53!

I also love the sound of tanks/bombs exploding.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:03 PM
loved that game ! The sound of bulit inpact is still the best of flysim..

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:06 PM
trughoy wrote:
-- FB is nice but the magic of airwarrior isn't there,
- where you can take or loose the airstrip your flying
- from, or team up in a bomber or a full air assault
- on the position of the enemy. Nope in FB, (how good
- and nice it is do not get me wrong), that team
- spirit and online coop and gentlemen like conduct is
- not there.
-
- Hell I miss those days........
-
- SALUTATIONS!!!!!! ALL
-
-



Man...I miss Air Warrior myself....there was nothing like then and there isn't now.

I wish they would bring it back up to 2003 graphics.


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:15 PM
you guys are making me all misty eyed...sniff.....now if i could just get into the janes mod sight...it aint lettin me in

RichardI
06-26-2003, 11:25 PM
Leadspitter:-
How can I get a copy of that pic!? I tried copying it and it says it's a text file! I saved it any way, but it won't display as a pic. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Have you got it hosted somewhere? I tried following the link by replying, but still got a text file!?

Rich /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:26 PM
So.. patch to 1.08F, reinstall the original flight models
if you overwrote them, and meet up in the hyperlobby! There
are normally only a couple of people in the Janes WWII fighters lobby in HyperLobby.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:47 PM
RichardI wrote:
- Leadspitter:-
- How can I get a copy of that pic!? I tried copying
- it and it says it's a text file! I saved it any way,
- but it won't display as a pic. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
- Have you got it hosted somewhere? I tried following
- the link by replying, but still got a text file!?
-
- Rich /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
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- <Center><img
- src="http://www.ghosts.com/images/postimages/THUND
- ERBOLT.jpg"><Center>I've got 140 109's cornered over
- Berlin!


Save the pic as the text file and then change the file extension from .txt to .jpg , worked for me.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:53 PM
yeah I loved that game too, use to play it for hours, sweaty palms and heart beating action. I could never fly that game in cockpit though, the planes shaked too much for me. Miss the P-38 and a well behaved P-47 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:58 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- you guys are making me all misty
- eyed...sniff.....now if i could just get into the
- janes mod sight...it aint lettin me in
-
-



youre not the only one......

try, and try and try......

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:58 PM
Yep, a great sim. The mission builder was without equal. And the graphics were and are gorgeous.

On today's machines, you can have a 100 planes in the air and still get great FPS. And with the new skins and mods the game is even better. Also, ww2fighters.net has the most gentlemenly forums I've ever been too. Great bunch of guys.

Also, the trailer to WWI Fighters is the best flight sim trailer of them all.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:13 AM
Yea - I have to say I was unlucky enough to have that be my first flight sim purchase. I've been spoiled ever since. In some areas it was not really superceded, although not as sophisticated as IL2 it had a certain fun factor and the graphics (although terrain was subpar and cockpit not authentic) seemed clearer and crisper. It also had great interviews and real life footage. Quite a game even today. Imagine what that same team could do today.

Things I wished IL2 had that this sim had:

1) Clearer graphics - IL2 seems to darn dim when inside VC. The view to outside is too dark and the cockpits themselves seem overly darkened as well. A gamma control would be nice I suppose.
2) A better manual that actual tells you what those instruments are.
3) Better sound effects (patch may fix I guess).
4) A way to to change waypoints (even when you are lowest ranking flier).
5) Better mission builder - WWIIF had soldiers running around and you could orchestrate great tank battles.
6) A camera location for every object - In WWIIF you could visit any object in game (vehicle or building).

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:19 AM
Depending on your perspective, a good or bad thing was the fact that in Janes ww2 fighters you were not an individual person. In fact the game lacked any kind of personalized campaign were your became and ace, got medals, etc, I remember when you died in one plane you could just hit a button be resurrected in the cockpit of another. This allowed you to last a lot longer in offline missions. At times I wish IL2/FB could allow this in FMB and QMB missions.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:24 AM
Salute

Man... all this misty eyed nostalgia over a game which turned into a lagfest with 6 pilots online, which had a FM which modelled stalls as if the aircraft had anti gravity devices.

I bought WWII Fighters, and did enjoy it, I still own two copies, which I have loaned out to buddies whose computers can't run FB or IL-2.

It had a great mission builder and the ground attack aspects of the game were excellent, nearly as good as IL-2. And for its time the graphics were superb. Although the graphics display for aircraft damage, which had the planes looking like flying car wrecks was aerodynamically impossible.

The missions were a lot of fun, and the AI were vicious.

But the gunnery was very easy, and the ability of a few rounds to tear off the wings of a B-17 were definitely an indication of an arcade DM.

There was a way to make the gunnery slightly more difficult, and that was to change from the default overlarge aircraft sizes, to realistic size.

It's too bad the FM/DM was built into the code, and uncrackable, otherwise WWII Fighters would be giving IL-2 a run for its money right now. The aircraft skin graphics which some modellers have produced are terrific.

One thing which WWII Fighters did have right, and that was although the FM was arcade like, the relative balance between the various nationalities fighters was accurate.

All of the planes were competitive, and most had their essential characteristics replicated faithfully. The 109, (seemed to be a G14, but tough to say for sure) had the best climb and the best low speed maneuverability, the P-47 didn't turn well, but it had a good dive, decent roll, good guns and was quite durable. The P-51 was fast, and turned well at high speeds with its combat flaps. The Spitfire was the best in horizontal turns but was a little fragile and not very fast. The 190 had monster guns, rolled like a demon and had a good initial turn, although it sucked at low speeds turns.

If it sounds like I liked the game, you'd be right, but I couldn't forgive the lack of any decent online capability.

For that reason, I preferred EUROPEAN AIR WAR, which had a much better flight model, better gunnery, better DM, and much better online play, although it was still limited to 8 players. The lack of graphics in EAW was a handicap, but whenever I wanted eye candy, I'd log off online, and go play WWII Fighters in SP.

Its too bad that IL-2 doesn't have a competing Flight Sim which pushes Oleg a little more. (I don't count Combat Flight Crap)

Cheers RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:54 AM
"Also, the trailer to WWI Fighters is the best flight sim trailer of them all." yea rgr that the starting trailer for janes ww2 fighters blows the doors off any game made. PERIOD....i still play it back once in a while for a rush !