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Woke_Up_Dead
10-01-2008, 02:39 AM
I understand from reading some old posts that the Gloster Gladiator is a flyable plane in this game. I have IL-2 1946, 4.08, but I can't find that plane anywhere in the Quick Mission Builder. Is it a special add-on?

Toten_Waffe
10-01-2008, 02:51 AM
Its listed as the swedish variant J8A or something similar......try it out in a winter map and the wheels are replaced with ski's

TinyTim
10-01-2008, 03:00 AM
Yeah, like TW said, it's listed as J8A. Plus, you have to search for it in the lower, axis part of the list (it's listed there for being used by Finland).

Jex_TE
10-01-2008, 03:11 AM
It should be law around here that if anyone mentions a plane in the initial post, they must included a pic of said plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/gloster/gladiator/gladiator2.jpg

Doolittle81
10-01-2008, 11:11 AM
The flyable Gloster Gladiator MkI and MkII have been added by a MOD. (No link here) They will appear in the AXIS List of aircraft(lower half in QMB aircraft list). However, the cockpits are still with Finnish (or Swedish?) gauges, etc, not English.

dirkpit7
10-01-2008, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Doolittle81:
The flyable Gloster Gladiator MkI and MkII have been added by a MOD. (No link here) They will appear in the AXIS List of aircraft(lower half in QMB aircraft list). However, the cockpits are still with Finnish (or Swedish?) gauges, etc, not English.

So, what's been changed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And the cockpit gauges of the J8A are partly in Swedish because it's modelled as a Swedish plane (J8A is a Swedish designation, in Finland they were called Gladiators) that served with a Swedish volunteer squadron F19 in Winter War.

TinyTim
10-01-2008, 02:52 PM
So, does the MkII come with adjustable prop pitch? If so, does it make any difference when accelerating or climbing at slow speed?

(asking coz I don't have the sim installed at the mo)

WTE_Galway
10-01-2008, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by dirkpit7:

So, what's been changed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And the cockpit gauges of the J8A are partly in Swedish because it's modelled as a Swedish plane (J8A is a Swedish designation, in Finland they were called Gladiators) that served with a Swedish volunteer squadron F19 in Winter War.

My understanding is the J8A is actually a MkI upgraded to MkII standard. It looks more like a MkI but has the engine of a MkII. Some of the Swedes here probably have more info than me on that.

The cockpit in the J8A is the single piece dash from the mkI gladiator but in Swedish and with a few gauges different.

The external view of the J8A actually shows the 3 piece mk II gladiator dash which has two side panels and a recessed dash.

I assume this discrepancy occurred because the flyable was originally to be a MkII but the Swedish team with better access to a real plane took over.

You can download template layers to change these cockpits (external view only) in my sig. (under ****pit don't you love the filter)

Another oddity is the prop on the default gladiator is an unpainted wooden one however once the engine starts you see a black prop disc with yellow tips as seen in this screen shot from my 3rd squadron skin pack I am working on.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/3sqdn_b.jpg

In reality early gladiators had the famous fixed pitch two bladed "Watts" prop (same as used on the early spits and hurries) painted a dark sea grey. Later version of this prop were probably painted black with yellow tips as spitfires Watts props were that color.

This is the in game glad refitted with a Black and yellow Watts prop.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/prop5.jpg

More likely the black and yellow is a left over from the original mkII flyable. The MkII tended to come fitted with black and yellow fixed pitch metal 3 blade props but these were generally replaced with the two bladed Watts prop in operational service.



Originally posted by TinyTim:
So, does the MkII come with adjustable prop pitch? If so, does it make any difference when accelerating or climbing at slow speed?

(asking coz I don't have the sim installed at the mo)

As stated above the same were props fitted to both and actually the MKII had a slightly down powered (830 hp vs 840 in the mkI) Mercury VIIIA engine fitted with automatic mixture control, electric starter and a Vokes airfilter in the carburettor intake. Overall a good swap to get those features for the loss of only 10 hp.

The first production batch of Gladiator Mk I carried Lewis guns under the wings, some variants came out with Vickers machine gun by the time of th mkII the licence-built Colt-Browning was installed in fuselage and wing positions in the majority of aircraft delivered.


A final note to those testosterone governed onliners that insist the gladiator was easy to fly compared to powerful later war aircraft. The RAF sustained a huge number of pilot and aircraft losses in early gladiators in accidents (spins etc) but eventually found with better initial training these pilot error losses could be eliminated. It was then observed early in the war that Gladiator trained pilots flew the easier Spitfire far better so further orders for gladiators were placed to be used specifically as training aircraft.

Woke_Up_Dead
10-01-2008, 06:07 PM
Thanks guys, I probably would have thought that the J8A is a Japanese plane.

WTE_Galway
10-01-2008, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Woke_Up_Dead:
Thanks guys, I probably would have thought that the J8A is a Japanese plane.

Fly it against the Fiat CR42. its good match up and even occurred historically. For example Gladiators fought Fiats in North Africa and also Malta.

LEXX_Luthor
10-01-2008, 06:22 PM
Yeah I don't poast round here much anymore.

Back in the day, everybody knew where to find the "Gladiator." http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/eek.gif

WTE_Galway
10-01-2008, 07:06 PM
By the way if anyone is anally retentive enough to actually be interested in aviation propellers I am doing a set for J8A WWI hacks:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/45410763/m/6491011096

The WWI textures came mainly from here:

http://www.woodenpropeller.com/Photo_Gallery.html


With some others from this site:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/propellors.html

DKoor
10-01-2008, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Yeah I don't poast round here much anymore.

Back in the day, everybody knew where to find the "Gladiator." http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dirkpit7
10-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dirkpit7:

So, what's been changed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And the cockpit gauges of the J8A are partly in Swedish because it's modelled as a Swedish plane (J8A is a Swedish designation, in Finland they were called Gladiators) that served with a Swedish volunteer squadron F19 in Winter War.

My understanding is the J8A is actually a MkI upgraded to MkII standard. It looks more like a MkI but has the engine of a MkII. Some of the Swedes here probably have more info than me on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweden bought 37 Mk Is and 18 Mk IIs from UK. They were designated J8 (Mk I) and J8A (Mk II). I don't really know what kind of model the J8A of IL-2 is made to represent. It should be remembered though, that planes sent overseas often received several modifications throughout their career and even if the Mk IIs left Britain in standard configuration, they may have looked different after some time in service.

So if 'our' J8A does not resemble a typical RAF Mk II, it's not necessarily the modeller's mistake.

Anyway, interesting post. I have never looked at the Gladiator in that much detail. The painted prop looks very nice.

Crikey2008
10-03-2008, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Fly it against the Fiat CR42. its good match up and even occurred historically. For example Gladiators fought Fiats in North Africa and also Malta.

Is there a flyeable CR42 in il-2 1946?

I believe this is the Italian aircraft which had reversed controls. If so, is this modelled in il-2?

WTE_Galway
10-03-2008, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Crikey2008:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Fly it against the Fiat CR42. its good match up and even occurred historically. For example Gladiators fought Fiats in North Africa and also Malta.

Is there a flyeable CR42 in il-2 1946?

I believe this is the Italian aircraft which had reversed controls. If so, is this modelled in il-2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Cr42 is flyable. It lets you do Malta or 80 Sqdn RAF and 3 Sdn RAAF verus the italians in North Africa.

vpmedia has made some awesome skins for the CR42.

Whilst not historical, Gladiator vs Cr42's in the mountains of the new Slovakia map are outrageous fun but I do not know of any missions for download that use them. (I have some I made for my own use but they have too many bugs, the AI hate mountains). If you have 4.09 beta its almost worth learning the FMB just to fight on that map.

I don't know anything about reversed controls. Do you mean like an ultralight trike where bar forward means you dive ?

dirkpit7
10-03-2008, 01:04 PM
I think he means reversed throttle/rpm/mixture controls. In Italian aircraft they were increased by pulling the levers back. They do work this way in IL-2.

DKoor
10-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Fiat doesn't stand much chance vs Glad, Glad can catch it's own shadow in turn... however Fiat is still faster by a quite margin so that should be used.

Jaws2002
10-04-2008, 11:50 AM
Fiat owns the gladiator all day long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif use the vertical.
The gladiator is hoplesly outclimbed by the Fiat. I remember the good times in "Guts and Glory", you can outclimb the gladiator with two bombs attatched. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WTE_Galway
10-13-2008, 08:12 PM
Some prewar Gladiator goodness.


http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads2&file=details&id=4475

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/3Fkenley.jpg