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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:18 PM
Oh yes i will buy it for a lot of very good reasons :

1- It's a very original period for a flight simulator and there's no other theater that is interesting flight simmers.

2- There'll be certainly a lot of new planes, never seen before (bf109, hurricane, he-111, ju-88, etc.)

3- There'll be a lot of different kind of missions. (fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, etc.)

4- I'm sure that a lot of the developper's work will be to modelize very precisely all London buildings, in the same way as it has been done for leningrad, giving us a real good playability when fighting over the city.

Really, a very good choice !!

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:18 PM
Oh yes i will buy it for a lot of very good reasons :

1- It's a very original period for a flight simulator and there's no other theater that is interesting flight simmers.

2- There'll be certainly a lot of new planes, never seen before (bf109, hurricane, he-111, ju-88, etc.)

3- There'll be a lot of different kind of missions. (fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other fighters, etc.)

4- I'm sure that a lot of the developper's work will be to modelize very precisely all London buildings, in the same way as it has been done for leningrad, giving us a real good playability when fighting over the city.

Really, a very good choice !!

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:34 PM
lcolin wrote:
- Oh yes i will buy it for a lot of very good reasons
- :
-
- 1- It's a very original period for a flight
- simulator and there's no other theater that is
- interesting flight simmers.

Wrong. It's not original, many games have done it. Sure it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done right with the modern technology, but it's still not original. My first ever flight sim was BoB sim (Lucas arts BoB). Secondly I'm a flight simmer and more interested in some other theaters (like the one of IL2, and the Med too (that'd be original), also the Western theater and battle over France and Germany till 1945, and south east asia (not pacific), which would be original too).

- 2- There'll be certainly a lot of new planes, never
- seen before (bf109, hurricane, he-111, ju-88, etc.)

Those are all in Il2. The only one I can think of that's not in Il2 is the Spit, and the Spit V will come anyway. There's the other british planes though.

- 3- There'll be a lot of different kind of missions.
- (fighters escorting medium altitude bombers and been
- attacked by other fighters, fighters escorting
- medium altitude bombers and been attacked by other
- fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers
- and been attacked by other fighters, fighters
- escorting medium altitude bombers and been attacked
- by other fighters, fighters escorting medium
- altitude bombers and been attacked by other
- fighters, fighters escorting medium altitude bombers
- and been attacked by other fighters, etc.)

That's three: Interception, Escort, Bombing. No ground attack, no air superiority (like u could try that when you stay on target for 10 minutes) The med would include much more (Ground support during land battles, transport, parachuting, maritime strike, reconnaissance, even maybe carrier ops)

- 4- I'm sure that a lot of the developper's work will
- be to modelize very precisely all London buildings,
- in the same way as it has been done for leningrad,
- giving us a real good playability when fighting over
- the city.

Yes but a city is a city. I guess the brits or people who live in London will like it. I must add that I find the landscapes quite plan. Fields over and over, or sea over and over. Only the city will be original, and the coast. Besides that... seems like it'll be quite boring. While the med has many montainous zones, sea, Islands, Desert, forests...

- Really, a very good choice !!

For you I guess it is.

Nic



Message Edited on 10/08/0307:40PM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:49 PM
I'm with you nic.

The Med would have every type of mission one could imagine. The aircraft set would be new and exciting. Think of those Italian a/c and the convoys and the British aircraft carriers and Toranto and Swordfish and Malta and on and on.

But to get a publisher to sell your game and to pay your talented folks, you need as big a market as possible. Big, easy to remember names that a maximum number of folks with a minimal historical background can recognize.

Battle of Britain? Oooo! I saw that on TV once!

Even someone as successful as Oleg MUST maximize profits. I get a feeling though that the Med may be integrated into a follow up to BoB. If this is true, I hope that BoB's engine can handle the Carrier/convoy aspect of this fantastic campaign.

Salute the Boys in Britain but remember the Med as well!


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Message Edited on 10/08/0307:19PM by Falcon_41

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:54 PM
- Let me explain why i will surely buy BOB and why it's not clever to criticize this future game.


I certainly can't remember that anyone asked you to do so, right?

Yet another unneccessary thread, as I've said it before.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:04 PM
Hi,

Not too familar with sarcasm, then, I see?

Cheers,
Norris

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:11 PM
I hope that the Med will follow. Many people will buy an Oleg standard BoB sim who wouldn't buy an Oleg standard Med sim, because the BoB is much better known. Then Oleg will make the Med.

That is, if Oleg doesn't get depressed and quit due to reading these forums.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:18 PM
Another thought:

There could be 'What-if' scenarios with the actually Germans invading. This would mean the RAF would be destroyed, but you could do unopposed Jabo missions in a Bf109!

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Posting vacuous messages since 2002

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:20 PM
Philipscdrw wrote:
- Another thought:
-
- There could be 'What-if' scenarios with the actually
- Germans invading. This would mean the RAF would be
- destroyed, but you could do unopposed Jabo missions
- in a Bf109!
-
-

Ian just said(SimHQ) there will be a hypothetical campaign.


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:24 PM
Relax Nic, Looks like the original post was a trolling effort.

You must be really hungry to bite that worm! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:47 PM
Well considering how a sim about the eastern front sold, I'm pretty sure that another original sim would be extremely welcome. All the major countries would be present (UK, US, Germany, Italy, France) AND it would also be praised for it's originality as Il2 was?

So people need the BoB is a dubious argument at best.

And yes I answer the trolling, but I'm quite disappointed that it'll be the same ole thing again. I don't think spits are so nice, and I sure have no clue why people think it's the best looking plane ever, and this game made me hate the hurricane! Also I'm p*ssed that some people consider everybody should be happy that it'll be BoB.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:56 PM
LOlol
Didn't people pick that up?? Sarcasm??

Bet he didn't expect them responses when he wrote it, hehe

Brill

BTW I think that this will be the first time "it" will ever come close to being done properly.

I just hope that the new engine is all about accomodating numbers in terms of planes in the air vis a vis IL2/FB.

If realistic numbers are involved with similar levels of realism,,,,, mein gott un himmel!!

Do people have imaginations here??

No one, but no one will have come near to what this might well be when finished.

I personally think even the whiners will be wetting their pants when it comes out,,,,,, hundreds of planes!!

Also at last all those bods who want the Mustang will be able to see it deployed in the mode it was designed for when the Mighty 8th add on comes along.

It's a step forward..

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:03 PM
BoB and Mustangs??

is that another attempt to troll?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:14 PM
Lol,
Sorry Falcon. Was just thinking that if Oleg's lads make a game engine that can accomodate that many planes in the air at once realistically the next logical add on/uprgrade could be the American daylight campaign over Europe,,,,,

Letting my imagination get carried away here I know but if it will do Bob it should do this,,,,, fantastic.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:57 PM
Yep. High altitude heavy bomber escort and low level rodeos in P-47's will ROCK!

(alternately) Yep. High altitude heavy bomber interception and night defense of Berlin will ROCK!

I can say this isn't the one I was hoping for either, but I'll take it




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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:04 PM
NorrisMcWhirter wrote:
- Hi,
-
- Not too familar with sarcasm, then, I see?
-

Nope, seems to have flown over their heads like a Spit at full bore.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:10 PM
Sarcasm aside, my response to the original post is- Don't like it? Don't buy it. But my bet is lcolin will buy it like everybody else. Except, of course, he'll do it in a very sarcastic manner.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:24 PM
Believe me after the Tom Cruise BoB movie coming out next year Mr Maddox will have lots of $$$ around even they could do an expansion for the BOB campaing maybe going into the ETO period of American and British bomber raids against the LW.

The movie is already being compared to an aerial SPR. So it could be a good movie,not a "Peral Harbor"(chitty)

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Message Edited on 10/08/0308:26PM by Glassess

Cpt.LoneRanger
10-08-2003, 10:00 PM
The BoB Engine will have certainly features, nobody has ever seen in any flight sim, including any BoB flight-sim.

(100+ a/c in a dogfight at once, photorealistical detail, completely new models and skins, realistic weather modell, etc)

I think that will be a highlight, anyway.

The theatre itself is one of the best known battle of the WW2. That will certainly raise selling numbers. Higher selling numbers means better support for the sim, and that's quite good for the flightsim genre.
If it will be sufficient to bring good missions, well that's another question, but please don't think the BoB just was the RAF defending Luftwaffes attacks over British ground. Both sides attacked ships in the channels and around the southern part of England. That can be very interesting, too, and there will be CAP missions over the channel for sure.
There may also be reconnaisance missions, as well as ground attacks, as the British RAF also attacked ground targets in nothern Normandie, etc. You gotta keep that in mind, too!

Just because most sims coping with this theme didn't modell these doesn't mean BoB isn't, too!

I surely won't flame a game, before there are any closer infos, screenies and tests.

greets
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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:01 PM
"Yep. High altitude heavy bomber escort and low level rodeos in P-47's will ROCK!

(alternately) Yep. High altitude heavy bomber interception and night defense of Berlin will ROCK!

I can say this isn't the one I was hoping for either, but I'll take it"



I'm fairly sure that BoB will not initially have any high-altitude bombers or interceptors around. Probably Spits and Hurri's and 109Emils and 110's and supporting and ancillary aircraft. Unless I missed something, BoB will just be 1940ish, not 1943-45ish.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
10-08-2003, 11:19 PM
Right, the timescale will be limited as will be the available a/c-selection. But these will be much more detailed and I hope for the promised, much improved flight modell. Looking at UT2003s Karma-Engine, that is so realistic, that they easily were able to easily add vehicles, based on the physic-engine, without extra scripting and extensive programming for different situations, I really think that should be possible for FlightSims, too!

I also read, they'll implement RADAR, probably radio-navigation, too? That would add a lot more depth to the gameplay, than ever seen before.

IMHO this is an overall very promising concept and I'll keep an eye on the developements for sure.

greets
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:25 AM
This thread is all too funny. the responder to the original post had me ROFL.

"The BoB Engine will have certainly features, nobody has ever seen in any flight sim, including any BoB flight-sim.
(100+ a/c in a dogfight at once, photorealistical detail, completely new models and skins, realistic weather modell, etc)

I think that will be a highlight, anyway."

Umm Rowan's BOB had all that years ago, not done too well, but with the code since taken over by the guys of BDG http://www.bob-ma.org/ and turned into a real GEM, (a well kept secret of a gem) plus you can fight the entire campaign as either a pilot or as VM Parks or Kesserling and implement your own strategic decsions and luancg your own 200 bomber raids.

Not that I don't mind Oleg's BOB, anything he does is done well.

Los

Cpt.LoneRanger
10-09-2003, 08:05 AM
Hehe, yes. Rowan's BoB had this feature, but only this. Falcon had a dynamical campaign and WB3 has massive multiplayer and HL2 has photorealistic graphics, but neither of this combines these features and that's what I wanted to point out.

If BoB HAS all these features combined, this WILL be a milestone, no matter what isolated goals were reached before.

greets
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:51 AM
WOW Nicolas10 ! ! ! ! !

what a HUGH reply to that first post ! ! ! !


umm .... didnt you get it ?

its pretty blatant sarcasm

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:12 AM
Dripping with sarcasm LOL.

How can you miss that?

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:38 AM
Yes I've been had /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I was too p*ssed to notice it at first.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 03:13 PM
Falcon_41 wrote:
- "Yep. High altitude heavy bomber escort and low
- level rodeos in P-47's will ROCK!
-
- (alternately) Yep. High altitude heavy bomber
- interception and night defense of Berlin will ROCK!
-
- I can say this isn't the one I was hoping for
- either, but I'll take it"
-
-
-
- I'm fairly sure that BoB will not initially have any
- high-altitude bombers or interceptors around.
- Probably Spits and Hurri's and 109Emils and 110's
- and supporting and ancillary aircraft. Unless I
- missed something, BoB will just be 1940ish, not
- 1943-45ish.
-
- Falcon
-
-


Sure, I realise the time frame thing won't correspond with what I've described, but like most every other poster in this thread, it was posted a little "tongue-in-cheek".

Nonetheless, I'm sure these things will be in the future of the described engine. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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