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llama_thumper
11-25-2006, 01:09 PM
guys,

the throttle slider on my thrustmaster fox 2 pro joystick has died, so i need to get a new one. i've been considering the saitek x52 (http://geizhals.at/a123297.html), but it does not have force feedback. can anyone recommend something that has a decent number of button with force feedback, or anything better than the saitek (which unfortunately doensnt seem to have force feedback)?

TigerStolly
11-25-2006, 03:46 PM
The X52 is like trying to fly with spoon stuck in a bowl of porridge.

llama_thumper
11-25-2006, 04:30 PM
doesn't sound too good... i guess the springs are so tight it feels like force feedback?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

anything else you can recommend?

RichardFF
11-25-2006, 04:43 PM
The x52 is one of the most suple sticks out there if you are looking for precision; it is not stiff and some have complained over how easy it is to move and have tried stiffening the spring. For me it is loose enough for fine movements and stiff enough to return to center and feel center in your hand.

I love mine! As for force fedback I am not aware of one that actually puts force/tension on the stick like my Logitech wheel for racing to simulate real world forces on your control device. I want the kind of feedback that when I go into a dive and go too fast it gets REAL hard to pull the stick back.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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gdfo
11-25-2006, 06:48 PM
I have an X-52 and wish I had something else or could afford something else. I like the throttle but hate the stick, sloppy with a capital S, and that is not a salute.

llama_thumper
11-26-2006, 04:33 AM
in this case, what else is there to consider, ie what other joystick? it has to have a throttle slider, ideally separate (for the left hand), and more than the 7 buttons i have now...
with or without ffb?

slipBall
11-26-2006, 04:50 AM
I have enjoyed the trouble free CH line for a number of years....I plan to get this bad boy soon

http://www.thecomputershow.com/computershow/reviews/chforcefx.htm

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llama_thumper
11-26-2006, 06:18 AM
good quality, i guess, but not too many buttons...

llama_thumper
11-26-2006, 08:23 AM
one more question - is it possible to use the saitek throttle separately, ie use the saitek throttle and a non-saitek joystick?
does the throttle have its own USB cable, or is it 'mated' to the joystick via some sort of cable?

gbollin
11-26-2006, 09:14 AM
I have an X-45 hooked up with the new saitek
aviater. This works fine. By the way the Aviater has dual throttles and lots of toggles and buttons for $39.00

CeeTee2004
11-26-2006, 10:11 AM
I think your better off getting a modern CH fighterstick or Combatstick. I used to use a Microsoft Sidewinder FF stick and I loved it (I still have it). But since I switched over to CH non-ff gear I have never looked back. I don't think the FF version of the CH stick is available anymore. You might have to search Ebay for a used one. Also being that its so old it might not work very well with Windows XP.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Art-J
11-26-2006, 01:51 PM
I'm looking for a new stick too and I wonder how this new, "coming soon" X-52 PRO will feel and work like, compared to "old" version. I hope they will improve it more than just change its colour http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Bearcat99
11-26-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by gbollin:
I have an X-45 hooked up with the new saitek
aviater. This works fine. By the way the Aviater has dual throttles and lots of toggles and buttons for $39.00

Now thats a good idea.... with the Aviator you would get what.... two more sliders? If you use the SST software you can set the X & Y pots on one of the sticks (most likely the X-45) as a switch. Since I use a MSFFB2 as my flying stick thats what I did with the stick part of the X-45 before I modded it. I banded both axii (band it 3 ways... with a command at either end and a null in the middle. it works best if it is something like 20% on either end and 60% as the null zone in the middle) and used them for my gear... made it sort of like a lever, by pumping it left or right I raised or lowered my gear manually, by pulling it toward me I locked my tailwheel and by pushing it forward I raised or lowered my landing gear. You can use the X-45 stick as a button bay just off to the side... or modify it like I did mine to combine it with the throttle into one unit. http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-45mod.jpg
Thats a bit tricky.. but it is definitely doable.

As for your original question..... the CH stuff is without question excellent, but as far as bang for buck it is hard to beat Saitek.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RichardFF
11-26-2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks for that link Slipball! Now that is the kind of force feedback I am talking about. Is this unique?


VECTOR FORCE yanks your arm as you struggle to pull Gs in your jet.

My concern with these is how the driving mechanisms affect the ability for fine variations of movement. Based on experience that mechanism becomes part of the game play of that control. All that means is games that support it well will make such products rock and those that don't can make another controller without the feature superior {or unplugging the power supply tot he controller or turning off the feature) as experienced with a number of racing games and the Logitech Pro wheel.

I have owned CH in the past... like nearly 20 years ago past... the days of 8086 processors, Micorsoft simulator, and some jet game whose name has been forgotten; when pixels didn't count due to how blocky things were. It was one of the best then and durable.

As for Saitek some of your choice is going to be style, how it feels in your hands. My son went out and bought 10 sticks and concluded the Siatek rocked for his precision needs flying stuff in BF2. He went with me to the store and as I handled each one he told me the characteristics of the product. He did lose interest, sold his stick to a friend, and then later picked up IL2, needed another stick but did not want to make an X52 investment and felt the Logitech Attack3 the best choice in that price range.

Having said all that I have read posts in here that provide the ability to program the range of motion for the stick and many come with software that allows that as well so that brings ya back to square one, how does it feel in your hand?

The CH is an X/Y axis mechanically driven system and you can feel it underneath your hand including the center points where as the Saitek is like most, a center ball and joint with only one possible center, dead center so any place else always allows smooth movement. The biggest difference at the store with these is the stiffness of the mechanism and spring which can directly affect how smoothly you can cross your center point. I call this the bump in the road for precision applications; you may or may not be concerned about such things. This is the area where the Saitek X52 excels. Stiffer sticks require a stable platform for the base where as I am playing my X52 with it sitting on the couch, something I can't do with the Logitech due to a smaller base and slightly stiffer stick requiring a large book or tray underneath it. Same can be said of that new CH force feedback stick; these products need stable platforms to be effective.

On top of that you get cool software for binding your stick to key functions yet I must admiit it is not very intuitive to use. What has been lacking is the ability to reassign your axis controls but over at the forum they claim a new version of the software is supposed to include that function and be available by the end of the year if not sooner. I have not checked and it could be out now but so far IL2 has me entranced so the games that needed those fixes have not had any priority. With all of that in play plus 7 axis and gobs of buttons it really comes down to...

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