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Metatron_123
10-13-2007, 03:39 PM
Hey guys , I just came from a trip to the mall were I discovered a good collection of joystics. I don't really want to spend much, but I want something that is basically reliable and that won't lose it's fine tuning in a matter of months.
I have these to choose from(in this price range):

A)Saitek Cyborg Evo
B)Saitek Aviator
C)Thustmaster Topgun(i remember the original il-2 having a leaflet recommending this)
The thrustmaster is around $ 10 more expesive, although it's throttle doesn't seem too accurate.
What do you guys recommend? I would like to get feedback from users of these sticks.

Jediteo
10-13-2007, 03:42 PM
I have had my cyborg evo for 3 years now and it's great. Haven't tried the aviator yet though. You should look at saiteks reconditioned products, there you can buy a X52 hotas for the same price as a new cyborg evo. No guarantee though.

Bearcat99
10-13-2007, 03:48 PM
Saitek Reconditioned (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html)

VMF-214_Pappy
10-13-2007, 03:53 PM
You did not mention the best CH fighter stick and throttle. I got one havok gots one we love them, well worth your money X52 are junk trust me if u dont trust me watch this

friends dont let friends buy saitek.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YA-dwEjosoM

Metatron_123
10-13-2007, 04:52 PM
Ok! I had a similar hatred for my previous logitech stick. Again though, i'm not interested in anything pricey. Thanks for the feedback so far guys

sdcruz
10-13-2007, 05:40 PM
I have a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB and it is pure quality - a basic joystick that does the job very well.

LEXX_Luthor
10-13-2007, 06:51 PM
I saved this from another J thread.

You can't lose trying the Saitek Cyborg Graphite -- S.C.G. http://content.vcommerce.com/products/11/4759011/main-150.jpg

It seems to be out of stock at the GoGamers but advance google saitek cyborg graphite

GoGamer~> http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Cyborg-Graphite-Joystick-...444873VVviewprod.htm (http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Cyborg-Graphite-Joystick-Saitek_stcVVproductId4759011VVcatId444873VVviewpro d.htm)

When I got into simming several years ago, I found a few at (yuck) The WalMarts for about 20 dollars each.



(0) SCG is a true World War Two combat flight sim stick; rugged and simple, built like a LaGG. I prefer the keyboard as a model for pilot/cockpit interface until somebody makes a flight sim keyboard that physically models a cockpit panel to replace the computer keyboard while simming.

(1) Most massive common gaming joystick made.

(2) Titan sized base, very heavy, and stable on the table.

(3) Largest stick top throw distance of any joystick -- 6 inches -- compare with all others.

(4) Largest hat switch of any joystick made today -- compare all with others. However, the diagonals don't work well for me, so I use it as a 4-way and not 8-way hat switch.

(5) Largest throttle of any joystick made, and smooth working.

(6) Only three stick top buttons but they are HUGE and offer feedback click and feel superior to all the commong Pro-Simmer "super" sticks.

(7) USB stick, plug into computer and fly. No software comes with the stick, at least in my purchase. Configure in Windows or in-game if needed.

(8) Extremely rugged with huge handgrip, large trigger, and strong feel (see below). I'm still banging away at the original stick I purchased several years ago. The only maintenence required is dusting every year or so. I have not yet opened a backup joystick I purchased.

(9) Affordable. GoGamer wants 13$ -- if they currently had it in stock. Try the WalMarts if you must. You can't go wrong trying it.


Problems...

(1) As far as I know, the SCG is available in stores shelves only at The WalMarts, where I generally try not to shop.


This was my first joystick getting into The Sims a few years ago with Oleg's The FB, because it was a "cheap" starter joystick. I eventually looked to "upgrade" to a "popular" or "mainstream" Pro Simmer joystick, but when I was in CompUSA and testing the feel of all the other Pro Simmer Space Fighter sticks with mazes of tiny weak wonder buttons, they all had limited travel and all felt like a limp handshake or wet fish after having used the SCG for so long. I still use the SCG today.

LW_lcarp
10-13-2007, 07:10 PM
Had only one problem from my saitek stick sent it in and 3 weeks later they gave me a brand new one. Ive been using that one for 3 years now and no problems from it at all.

fabianfred
10-13-2007, 09:01 PM
the Aviator is great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

na85
10-14-2007, 01:56 AM
Ugh, saitek sticks are too 'loose' for me. I like something with more resistance.

Metatron_123
10-14-2007, 04:45 AM
What do you guys think about the thrustmaster? It seemed to me the most comfortable of all the ones mentioned above.

airdale1960
10-14-2007, 04:57 AM
http://store.avbstore.com/index.html

A steal at $9.99, and FFB. At this price what have you got to loose?

VMF-214_Pappy
10-14-2007, 08:50 AM
CH products are the most uber sticks on the planet hands down. But for budge minded ppl i can understand suggesting saitek, i will never suggest such a crappy stick because if you plan on your investment lasting and giving you pleasure in flight sims for 7 to 10 years or longer than give CH a look.

Okay x52 pro almost 200 bucks and no rudder pedals just twist. Sorry it took a few months for me to get use to pedals but plane is so much more stable now and percise with pedals than the twist rudder which i tended to over use.

Now CH fighter stick and throttle =213.00 on amazon for combo and free shipping. Yes you will need to invest i pedals CH are about 100 bucks, Now havok tried my saitek pedals which are 150.00 bucks and he actually preferred them because they are wider and adjustable.

So you pay 200 for x52pro than may break in 3 months or less and feels like a space alien toy.

Or yo get CH combo that feels like a brick S$%thouse and will last and very sturdy and precise plust pedals and it will last you 10 years and CH hanger wonderful tech support and it works right out of box with easy to use programming software. You will end up paying some
315.00 bucks american or 370.00.

200 for a space toy that has horrible tech support.

or 320.00 roughly for a entire CH setup that will last you for years and you will be supported.

Do the right thing dont buy saitek. I did x52 3 times and i even bought VMF-214_Havok one and he ended up having to get pedals because 2 weeks after i got him x52 the rudder twist started spiking.

It your choice but us here and VMF-214 its a no brainer, with 3 of us recently purchasing there products we are happier than a tornado in a trailier park.

VMF-214_Pappy
10-14-2007, 10:22 AM
Tell Chuck your going to buy saitek see what happens.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/vmf214pappy/images.jpg

potpie69
10-15-2007, 04:44 AM
CH Fighter stick,Throttle,Pedals or Saitek X52(not Pro), I got both, both have their strong points and weak points. Either is worth it. It's to bad you and Havok had bad experience with the 52 Pappy, I've never had a problem with it, but I've heard some people have had issues with them.

Stew278
10-15-2007, 11:04 AM
I had the Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox 2 Pro for awhile. It wasn't a bad stick for the $30 it cost. My biggest gripe with it was that the hat switch was difficult to use because it is just tiny. The whole stick was a little uncomfortable for me because it was small for my hand. The centering spring wasn't as loose as the ones on the Saiteks, but I ended up shimming it anyways to get more resistance once the stick was worn in. Never had any mechanical problems with it, but I only used it for 6 months or so before upgrading to a Saitek X-52 because I wanted a separate throttle.

Given the choices you listed there I'd say the Saiteks are better. They have more buttons and even though they feel flimsy at first, I have found the Saitek stick to be fairly comfortable once I got accustomed to it. Also the Saitek SST software is very nice for mapping keys to the stick or programming advanced commands.

CH Products sticks would be the best choice if you've got money to spend. I had a CH CombatStick for 8 years that I only got rid of because I needed a USB connection. One of the hat positions on that stick had worn out after ~6years, but otherwise it was solid. As mentioned already, CH sticks are a little pricey these days.

BrotherVoodoo
10-15-2007, 11:22 AM
CH Products sticks would be the best choice if you've got money to spend.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif CH all the way....

Metatron_123
10-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Thanks again for your time guys