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Hristo_
08-27-2005, 03:21 AM
Here's a track (http://free-kc.t-com.hr/nino/overmodelled.zip).

I hear fairly often 109 is overmodelled. Enlighten me, please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

arcadeace
08-27-2005, 04:05 AM
Its about time. Tully locked the other one, like yesterday http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-27-2005, 06:48 AM
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John_Wayne_
08-27-2005, 07:12 AM
Here's a real movie for ya, pilgrim.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/flying_tigers2xs.jpg

Kuna15
08-27-2005, 07:46 AM
I see a good combat track. And that is about it. Both Aerial Target and you have shown nice flying there.

Hristo_
08-27-2005, 08:41 AM
Apparently, 109 is some kind of an uberplane in this patch.

I didn't notice it, despite having 20% lower wingloading and fairly better powerloading than my opponent.

Pinker15
08-27-2005, 09:42 AM
I have not seein nothing wrong in that track besides that U was flying too fast at those turns. Thats why P38 was can follow U what is correct. When U was slow down enought it was no problem to shake him off. If U think that P38 is so Uber vs bf 109 I can host 1 vs 1 server and we check. I will fly on 109 ofcourse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hristo_
08-27-2005, 10:05 AM
According to latest red whining, 109 is so uber it doesn't need to shake anybody off. However, I missed the secret.

Pinker15
08-27-2005, 10:27 AM
U cant see everything around U and allways someone can jump on yours six by suprise. 109 is uber plane because in situations when U shoud be dead that plane can lead U to victory by fantasy manual prop slow down, manual prop speed up, manual prop rocket climb, hovering on propeler, or do scisors at critical AOA and critical speed. Has no stall at low power and still have full controll at minimum speed (no wing and nose drop). Besides that have too low stall speed for about 15 kmph ( depends on model G2 and above).

Hristo_
08-27-2005, 11:10 AM
Pinker, you're describing dueling qualities. These qualieties mean very little in many vs many arena. Too bad a lot of people believe WarClouds is a dueling place.

Take a look at this track (http://free-kc.t-com.hr/nino/uber.zip).

Now are you going to tell me such outcome was because of any of those planes was overmodelled/undermodelled ?

Spit driver was not up to the abilities of his plane, which was evident from the start. But on team channel you can bet he will say an overmodelled 109 outmaneuvered him.

Kuna15
08-27-2005, 11:36 AM
IMO he made a mistake first that he has come in too fast, and second while was already come in too fast he should have climbed.

He did neither of that two possible ways and instead he choose by far the worst one - vertical turnfight with Bf-109.

Also if he had turn horizontally I think he would also lose, since I bet that you will be cutting his path and trying deflection shot. If you miss, then he has a chance, then everything downs to who can make better horizontal turn on deck since no one has energy for climbing away.

Pinker15
08-27-2005, 11:44 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hristo_:
Pinker, you're describing dueling qualities. These qualieties mean very little in many vs many arena. Too bad a lot of people believe WarClouds is a dueling place.

Dueling qualiteis are verry usefull even on warclouds. It gives U a lot of experience how to do fight. Even on warclouds U do duels but with alot planes around so its need alot of tactics too. For example yours fight with Aerial Target on P38 what it was if not duel morning jogging ?.

Hristo_
08-27-2005, 05:02 PM
Many times some hotshot will come to Blue base and press a duel against someone. How smart is that, well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

John_Wayne_
08-27-2005, 05:31 PM
Not many biting today, are there?
You're losing your touch.

Pinker15
08-28-2005, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Many times some hotshot will come to Blue base and press a duel against someone. How smart is that, well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Only newbies are doing that because its sucide. Situacion U describe is totally extreme and no one experienced pilot do that ( especially experienced in dueling).

Tully__
08-28-2005, 03:44 AM
About that sig pic Hristo... a tad large don't you think? Check the sig test thread for forum limits. I expect you to be complying withing 24 hours.

Lucius_Esox
08-28-2005, 04:34 AM
Actually Hristo to be honest I thought in the track against the P38 you missed a couple of "killing" opportunities.. Not saying I could do better but imo you got into shot positions and didn't go for it...

Excellent flying by the P38 and your self

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PFS_BlackBird
08-28-2005, 04:52 PM
Hristo my friend,

I can only comment on the spit. Prob for the spitdriver is that he gives away his energy right at the start, in a manner where he also puts himself right infront of you. Then he does a couple jojo's which is not a capability the spit can be proud of to do. He must have gotten desperate cause two times he gives himself away by climbing straight up, only to realise that he should outturn you in the horizontal. When he realizes that, you finally get him.

With a pretty hit i may say. Altough you spoiled a big amount of 108's on the floor.

It is the spitpilot who helped you win this though, not the infamous uberness of you 109


BB

Hristo_
08-28-2005, 05:24 PM
Thanks for honest reply. I'll have to rethink other things now, I guess.

Pinker15
08-29-2005, 02:14 AM
109 is uber but from those tracks it looks for me like Hristo dont know how to useit (manual prop for example was not used even once). Second think is that, WC Blue aces are flying too mutch on theirs Fw190 and they completly have no idea what Spitfire can do so stop write what manouvers are for Spitfire right or not.