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MrBlueSky1960
12-17-2005, 06:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/The-Clot.jpg

19 years old...

danjama
12-17-2005, 03:21 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Interesting read, but sad ending.

Thanks for posting mate.

MB_Avro_UK
12-17-2005, 03:34 PM
Yes...a sad ending. Thanks for posting, a great sacrifice buy such a young guy!

Monty_Thrud
12-17-2005, 08:09 PM
Hmmm...i wonder how many of us, that really is...i dont mean in game...but faced with the real circumstances...real fear...in real life...nerves...etc

danjama
12-18-2005, 02:21 PM
BUMP

MB_Avro_UK
12-19-2005, 05:12 PM
Bump for the 'Clot'...

Would any of us have done the same...???

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

berg417448
12-19-2005, 06:19 PM
Johnnie Johnson recounted a similar incident in his book "Wing Leader". He told about a leader of a flight of Typhoons whose engine quit and he had to ditch. One of his pilots saw that the leader was having trouble getting to his raft and decided to ditch and assist him. Neither man was ever seen again.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-19-2005, 07:20 PM
Gotta bump it.

DmdSeeker
12-20-2005, 09:24 AM
Thanks

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 12:33 PM
Run a search on Google with €œSqd Ldr Geoff Warnes€ And tell me what you find about the date...

Airmail109
12-20-2005, 12:44 PM
Sad story! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

However I do find it interesting that even though his eyesight was not up to scratch, the CO was still a great pilot......as I am shortsighted....so much for the RAFs rules.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
Run a search on Google with €œSqd Ldr Geoff Warnes€ And tell me what you find about the date...

KIA
22 Feb 1944.

Should have been flying a Typhoon by then.


Interesting roll of honour.

Reminds me of the high ranking officer that got captured on Crete, known for his pre-war right wing sympathies - the Germans asked him to help them form a British SS battalion, he told them to p1ss off.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
Run a search on Google with €œSqd Ldr Geoff Warnes€ And tell me what you find about the date...

KIA
22 Feb 1944.

Should have been flying a Typhoon by then.


Interesting roll of honour.

Reminds me of the high ranking officer that got captured on Crete, known for his pre-war right wing sympathies - the Germans asked him to help them form a British SS battalion, he told them to p1ss off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, exactly... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Have a look in your copy of Mr Binghams best... Sqd Ldr Geoff Warnes is mentioned, quite alot. But I can't match any dates with Appendix 1 (Individual A/C Histories) Perhaps I'm getting old... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 01:20 PM
I'll get on to it. If you can't trust the B.U.F. who can you trust, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

*Edit* According to Mr B, Warnes was relieved by Baker as C.O. on 15th June 1943. That's his last mention in the book. Curiouser and curiouser....

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 01:27 PM
He was last mentioned flying P7113, which according to VB it was shot down by flak during dive-bombing of Morlaix Airfield on the 23/9/43: pilot baled out and escaped to the UK...

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 01:33 PM
That's nearly 4 months after he handed the squadron over....crikey! How mysterious.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
That's nearly 4 months after he handed the squadron over....crikey! How mysterious.

The clip is from Harald Penrose's Biography, so the info should be legit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Should'nt it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nope, it's wrong... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif For those of you who have, or I should say have'nt got Victor Binghams "Whirlwind" Written on page 84 and I quote "- he (Warnes)was to become CO of 263 Squadron in December 1942 and to lose his life when his Typhoon's engine failed over the channel"

Oh Harald, you are mistaken... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 02:05 PM
Appendix 5 of Bingham lists all 263's stations and c/o's Warnes December 1942 - June 1943, Baker June 1943 - December 1943.

That's all I can confirm. Would have thought Penrose trustworthy though. Strange.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 02:09 PM
D@mn you and your page 84! I was looking at pages 97 - 100 and appendix 5. Curses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Here's a Whirly link to redeem myself:-
http://www.rafcommands.currantbun.com/Fighter/263F.html

Wait a minute! I wrote "KIA
22 Feb 1944.

Should have been flying a Typhoon by then.


Interesting roll of honour."

a few posts ago... I was right all along...I know more about stuff than Penrose! I am a Whirly genius after all! Ha! Ha! I'll show them, you wait...what? Time for the blue pill? O.K. nurse, you're the boss...

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 02:16 PM
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1940s/Images/SDThyagarajan_Small.jpg

Sgt Sayanapuram Duraiswamy Thyagarajan (Center) with No 263 Squadron, RAF, Whirlwind P7094 HE-T . The CO Flt Lt Geofferey B Warnes is second left and the Adjutant , F/L EC Owens is at first left . Other pilots in the Squadron are Canadian, Austarlian and West Indian.The sqn converted to Typhoons in Feb 44. Later promoted to Pilot Officer (177663 RAF), Thyagarajan was shot down and killed over France on 26th August 1944.

Calm down dear... We are both on the same side... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 02:23 PM
It's alright now...I've had my blue pill.


Penrose link for any uninitiated with plenty of time to read...

http://www.furthermore.org.uk/static/phoenix/penrose/penroseindex.htm

An interesting life...

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 02:55 PM
It's alright now...I've had my blue pill.

"I know, I know Greenie, I'm worried about L_F as well... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif It's all like you said it wou.... Sheeush... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif He's here...."

Err... Now all we have to do is to find out his a/c serial and any other a/c that was reported missing on that day and then we can find the name of "The Clot" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You up for it L_F... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 03:09 PM
Well, I was going to hit the Rivierra casino's big time this Chrimbo, then start my home-build Le Mans racer and then call in on the folks in Gstaad for some seasonal fun, but it'll all have to wait I guess.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Well, I was going to hit the Rivierra casino's big time this Chrimbo, then start my home-build Le Mans racer and then call in on the folks in Gstaad for some seasonal fun, but it'll all have to wait I guess.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It will be easy, all we have to do is to ask one of the forum members who have a Typhoon history list to look up dates of A/C lost on the 22/2/44 and the names of their pilots... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And since people like you better than they like me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I'll let you ask... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

"Yes, I know you like me Greenie... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You know why they don't like me... Yeah, yeah I'm sorry..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif "I am..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 03:51 PM
O.K. I'll put a call out....

Seen this? No Whirlies, but a very, very nice collection of 1024 x 738 high quality historical photographs for download, courtesy of the Royal Air Force.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery.html

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
O.K. I'll put a call out....

Top Man... Greenie sends Hugs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Seen this? No Whirlies, but a very, very nice collection of 1024 x 738 high quality historical photographs for download, courtesy of the Royal Air Force.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery.html

Hmmm... Nice... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Seen this... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/W-Z/images/Warmwell_1943b.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 04:17 PM
Why, that looks like a port Peregrine hub to me...but then I am easily deluded... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I hope we're not going to have a repeat of last year's P.R. disaster with Greenie's tastes in fancy dress outfits this new year's eve...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/BadGreenie.jpg

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 04:24 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/BadGreenie.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Oh my...How we laughed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Doh!... See it here: http://www.controltowers.co.uk/W-Z/Warmwell.htm

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 04:41 PM
Yeah, it's a huge gravel pit now....the Frampton Arms pub is still there next to Moreton train station, and there are RAF war graves in the local church. Fair bit of graffitti carved into the nearby woods, most of it by USAAF who flew Lightnings out of Warmwell.
There's a collection of photos on one of the USAAF sites showing Warmwell aka Moreton.

Literally a few miles away from me.....

It's ironic that I travel past all of this regularly, and have never been to the church or the pub...there's a shocker for you, Dorset pub not entered by LFII http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I'm going to have to put this right very soon...

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 04:54 PM
While I was checking out Warmwell, I noticed Westonzoyland... That is just down the road from me (Its where I learnt to drive as a lad on the actual aerodrome... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif) I did'nt realize that they flew P-51'S from there in the War... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 05:07 PM
Try Chickerell, Warmwell's satellite field - I learnt to play cricket and football on the abandoned airfield there when I was a wee 'un. Lived literally next door. It's an industrial and housing estate now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Try Chickerell, Warmwell's satellite field - I learnt to play cricket and football on the abandoned airfield there when I was a wee 'un. Lived literally next door. It's an industrial and housing estate now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hmmm... Yes it's sad to see how they have fallen into disrepair... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Anywhoo... I must get ready to climb the wooden hill. Of course what we should do is find a ditched Whirly and get a crack diving team to raise it from the dark briny sea and sell it to the highest bidder... Wonder what Time Teams up to this summer... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/Sleepy.jpg ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-20-2005, 05:39 PM
There really is one a few miles south west of me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-20-2005, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
There really is one a few miles south west of me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Great....zzzzzz What! Oh yeah, Great, nows our chance to dress up in rubber.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......OH.... you bring the camera and lights and i'lllllll bring thye baby oil..........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-21-2005, 03:42 PM
Joking aside...

My thanks for all that posted here and found time to look up the relevant material. It€s nice to be able to put a name to that 19-year-old, who put his life on the line in order to save his Squadron Leader€¦

A quotation is brought to mind from the pen of another fellow airman (P/O V.A. ROSEWARNE 1916-1940) In his last letter to his mother, published in The Times 18 June 1940 and inscribed on the portrait of the €˜Young Airman€ by Frank Salisbury in the R.A.F. Museum, Hendon.

F/O R B TUFF€¦

The universe is so vast and so ageless that the life of one man can only be justified by the measure of his sacrifice.

MB_Avro_UK
12-21-2005, 05:07 PM
Hey Archie..

For once...words fail me.

Salute to the guy!!

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

MrBlueSky1960
12-22-2005, 07:20 AM
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MB_Avro_UK
12-23-2005, 02:49 PM
Something similar in this link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.ezraysnet.co.uk/bhaa/crash3.html

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

ARCHIE_CALVERT
12-23-2005, 03:53 PM
http://www.acia.co.uk/

A good site, but with some sad stories...