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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:01 PM
Yup, that was the question, did it? And what about other german fighters, like the fw109 and Bf110? (This might be mentioned in the game, but I haven't noticed, I usually fly soviet planes)

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:01 PM
Yup, that was the question, did it? And what about other german fighters, like the fw109 and Bf110? (This might be mentioned in the game, but I haven't noticed, I usually fly soviet planes)

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:05 PM
I know the 190 was referred to by some as the "Butcher Bird." I forget whether it was an axis or allied nickname. (I'd lean towards allied though.)

When I'm talking to my 109 (trying to urge her through a tight spiralling dogfight with out breaking over in a stall, etc.) I usually refer to her by her phonetic variant designation:

Bf-109E = Emil
Bf-109F = Fritz or Friedrich (sp?)
Bf-109G = Gustav
Bf-109K = Karl (I think.)

Anyhoo, I don't know of any names for the Bf-110 or any other nicknames for the 109 tho I'm sure there are for both.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:09 PM
No.
People said just "hundertneun".
Individual versions were named after the german phonetic alphabet, like "Emil", "Friedrich", "Gustav" and so. Like Alpha, Bravo, Charlie etc in NATO alphabet.
The only variant that really had a Nickname was the G-6. It was called "Beule" (the bump). You can guess why
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Soviets called it "Messer". I guess it is short of Messerschmitt, but in german it means "Knife", which is somehow fitting...
Same goes for the Fw 190. The "hundertneunzig" was called "Würger" (a cute but very brutal bird that likes to impale worms and such) by Kurt Tank, but the name was never popular with its pilots. It was just that Tank named all his planes for small birds (Weihe, St¶ßer, Stieglitz etc).
"Butcher Bird" is the english name for the same bird species. So the 190 had such a name as well, and Tank chose the nastiest small bird there is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
The variant naming was the same as with the 109. So a "Dora" is both a 109D and a 190D.
The soviets somehow came to call the 190 "Fokker", which maybe resulted from a misunderstanding of "Focke".

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:12 PM
Depend who person; who see it, from...VVS pilot? or USAF pilot. Far as I knew was "Jerry" when USAF pilot yell word as general WWII German fighter. Charlie for Japanese. Today's political corrected pilots will call it out as Bogey as sometime yell "MIG" even Today's German still fly Mig-29

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:44 PM
"ButcherBird" was the German nick-name for the FW-190.
"Sturm-Vogel"or Storm-Bird for a variant of the Me-262.
"Swallow" for the fighter vesion of the Me-262.
"Blitz" for the Arado 234.(Lighting)
"Eule or Owl" for the Fw-189.
"Condor" Fw-200.
"Grief or Griffin" He-177.
"Uhu or Owl" He-219.
"Kampfzerstorer or Battle Destroyer" Me-110.
"Komet or Comet" Me-163.
"Storch or Stork" Fi-156.
"Salamander" He-162.
"Hornisse or Hornet" Me-410
"Gigante or Giant" Me-323.
"Wiking or Viking" Blohm and Voss BV-222
"Jungmeister or Young Master" Bucker Bu-133
"Kolibri or Hummingbird" Flettner Fl-282
"Moskito or Mosquito" Fw-Ta154.
"Aunte Ju or Iron Annie" Ju-52.

These are the main aircraft of the LW give or take a few models.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:47 PM
theRealAntEater wrote:
- - The soviets somehow came to call the 190 "Fokker",
-

I call it a Fokker, only replace the o for a u and a k for a c. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:55 PM
In Georgia(USA) the ButcherBird is a LoggerHead Shrike.It impales it's prey on thorns to be eatten latter.The unfortunate victims(lizards,grasshoppers,bettles,etc.)displaye d in the manner as a "Butcher"would display his meat hence the name "ButcherBird".

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:55 PM
BuzzardHead wrote:
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- "ButcherBird" was the German nick-name for the
- FW-190.
Allready explained by me, see above

- "Sturm-Vogel"or Storm-Bird for a variant of the
- Me-262.
propaganda name never used by troops
- "Swallow" for the fighter vesion of the Me-262.
rarely used. Troops called it "Turbo" or "Strahler"
- "Blitz" for the Arado 234.(Lighting)
correct
- "Eule or Owl" for the Fw-189.
"fliegendes Auge" was also used
- "Kampfzerstorer or Battle Destroyer" Me-110.
totally wrong. "Zerst¶rer" (Destroyer) was the designation for 2 engined fighters, no matter what type. "Kampfzerst¶rer" was the project designation for the Me 210, since it was supposed to replace the Ju 87 and other types.
- "Gigante or Giant" Me-323.
"Gigant" without E
- "Aunte Ju or Iron Annie" Ju-52.
"Tante" not "Aunte"

The funniest names were for the Fw 58 "Weihe", a two engined aircraft strangely ignored by most people.
It was called "Leukoplast-Bomber" or "Nichteinmischungsbomber". Leukoplast is some medical tape brand in germany, referring to its medical role.
"Nichteinmischungsbomber" means literally "non-interventionist-bomber" because it looked like a bomber but wasnt.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
You see, "Weihe" was the official name from Focke-Wulf (Weihe is another cute small bird)

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:55 PM
theRealAntEater wrote:
- Soviets called it "Messer". I guess it is short of
- Messerschmitt, but in german it means "Knife", which
- is somehow fitting...

Correct, Russians called Bf109 either "Messer" - short of
- Messerschmitt
or "Hudoy" - "The thin/slim one".



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:03 PM
I'm sorry AntEater all my imformation was transcribed from"German Warplanes of World War II" by Chris Chant.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:09 PM
PS Since when did troops (Wermacht) fly aircraft.And if you want to be the official site spellcheck GOOD LUCK.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:20 PM
Okay, let's all take our pill.

Thanks for all the info!

I myself use lot's of names for the german planes, but I can't write them here.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:27 PM
BuzzardHead wrote:
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- PS Since when did troops (Wermacht) fly
- aircraft.And if you want to be the official site
- spellcheck GOOD LUCK.



Since AntEater is a german, you shouldn`t argue about "spellcheck".

He knows what he`s talking about, and he is right in every aspect.

And then again its not "Wermacht" but "Wehrmacht".

And what exactly "troops" are might be arguable.

In Germany a combat-pilot and the ground personal are "soldiers" as well.
Might be a question of definition.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:35 PM
Well, in german "bei der Truppe XY genannt". Die Truppe (the troops) could be just about any armed force, not only Army, but also air or ship crews.
Maybe I should have used a different term.
But arguing about spelling in somebody's native language while not speaking the language yourself is a fruitless effort
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:42 PM
Leonid I do hope my spelling is correct.
You should be flatterded one has intrest in your country or Anteater.Being an American I am a student of both your language and history.By no means am I an expert.
Todays lesson is on the bluntness and rudeness of said subject.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 09:16 PM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
- Depend who person; who see it, from...VVS pilot? or
- USAF pilot. Far as I knew was "Jerry" when USAF
- pilot yell word as general WWII German fighter.
- Charlie for Japanese. Today's political corrected
- pilots will call it out as Bogey as sometime yell
- "MIG" even Today's German still fly Mig-29
-
- Regards
- SnowLeopard
-

You have a point, but I have never heard a Japanese aircraft or serviceman called "Charlie". I have heard, and maybe this is derogatory for it's time, but it is also historically accurate, these
terms: "Jap", "Nip", "meatball" (for the hinomaru)...never "Charlie"...most fighters from the IJN or Army were called "Zero" or "Zeke" or "Hamp" even if they weren't.

"Tail end Charley" was the Number four in a US finger four formation

I think you are confusing "Charlie" as a term for Japanese, with "Charlie" in Southeast Asia, where of course, "Charlie" or "Charles" was a shortened version of "Victor Charlie", ie: Viet Cong.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 09:28 PM
-
- Todays lesson is on the bluntness and rudeness of
- said subject.

C'mon, somebody complains about rudeness on this forum?
You have to be rude here to get your point across. Other forums, other manners...

And there is simply so much "bad german" (in line with "bad science") around among non german WW2 enthusiasts that I thought it would be good to step up against it, especially since people interested in the subject are surely interested in how it is correctly put in german. Nothing personal

But generally, there were official/propaganda names either created by the manufacturer or designer and nicknames given to the aircraft by servicemen (right term, instead of "troops"). "Sturmvogel" for Me 262 is an example for the former "Tante Ju" for the Ju 52 for the latter, even if this name originated in Lufthansa, almost 2 years before the Luftwaffe was created.
Luftwaffe pilots, like all pilots of that time, were very individualistic characters with not much sense for discipline, glory and propaganda (and that even if they were pro Nazi). Calling a plane "Sturmvogel" or any similarly pathetic/theatrical name simply wasnt the style of the average Luftwaffe pilot.

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Message Edited on 06/19/0308:36PM by theRealAntEater

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 09:36 PM
Yep Buzzard, nothing personal.


Glad to hear you`re interested in our country and language.

Its much more difficult to learn than english for a german.


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:17 PM
yes. It was "109."

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:36 PM
Russian use to call:

Me-109 1) messer 2) skinny (hudoi - read as is) due to narrow fusulage.

FW-190 Fokker

JU87 "Laptezhik" - read as is, because of landing gear sticking out which shape remid of russian wooden shoes: lapti.

Not sure how they called JU88 and Henkeil.. appears that they just called them Junkers (Yunkers) and Henkel lol.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:08 AM
UnterNeub, read this:
109F= Franz
109K= Kurfurst
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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:11 AM
Franz and Friedrich are both possible, though Friedrich is the common phonetic word for F.
For K it is "Kurfürst"
pronounciation like "Koorfirst"

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:39 AM
BBB462cid wrote:
- You have a point, but I have never heard a Japanese
- aircraft or serviceman called "Charlie". I have
- heard, and maybe this is derogatory for it's time,
- but it is also historically accurate, these
- terms: "Jap", "Nip", "meatball" (for the
- hinomaru)...never "Charlie"...most fighters from the
- IJN or Army were called "Zero" or "Zeke" or "Hamp"
- even if they weren't.
-
- "Tail end Charley" was the Number four in a US
- finger four formation
-
- I think you are confusing "Charlie" as a term for
- Japanese, with "Charlie" in Southeast Asia, where of
- course, "Charlie" or "Charles" was a shortened
- version of "Victor Charlie", ie: Viet Cong.

Oh my pardon, you are right, Yes it should be yell "Zero" or "Meatball" or "Nip" at Pacific front most time. I think old hollywood use nasty words may confused me. I better read old books wrote by Pacific front fighter pilots. Sorry about Charlie. I better not said that word again.

By the way I think it is funny for LW call VVS plane that sound like Indian or whatever


Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 02:27 AM
Finns call it "Mersu". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 02:51 AM
AntEater and Leonid,

Maybe I have built too many model aircraft in my time.
I am used to the names on the box. Tamiya calls the Dornier Do-335 "AntEater" lol.
Thanks for the true history lesson and not the commercial one we Americans allways seem to get.

May you allways have a tailwind and clear skies.

BuzzardHead

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:43 AM
Here you may find interesting information!

Click : >Die Luftwaffe >Glossar

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:14 PM
In Hungary, our pilots called them "Messzer"s ("Messer"), and the 190s as "F³ka"s (~"Phoca", or "Seal", but I believe it`s only because it sounds similiar to Focke). Since we had mostly 109Gs, the Gusztáv, or nicked as "Guszti" was also a common name for them. The 109 pilot Tobak Tibor referred to his 109G-10/U4 as "k¶vér Gusztáv", or the Fat Gustav, because of it`s larger engine cowling.


Lavochkins were referred as "Lovacska" (~little horse, against for it sounds similiar to the original name), Yakovlevs as "Jakab"s (=James). Liberators were "Libi"s, B-17s were "erµd"s (=fort/fortress). Sturmoviks were simply Sturmoviks, and US escort fighters were referred to on their original designations/nicknames.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:43 PM
Yeah they were called Jug Bait, and Stang bullet catchers.
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