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Ticcy
04-21-2007, 03:42 PM
Now that I've played the game a little and gotten to grips with the game play a little I have a few questions to pick your brains with. First of all let me apologise in advance if these questions have been answered before, I have been reading on the forums and the community manual, but haven't found any answers in my brief look. I also apologise if I'm asking things because my game or U-boat/WWII knowledge is not up to scratch.

Before I ask my questions I'll give you some background to my play and where I am at now in case that is of any importance.
I started my first career on the easy setting with a few extra non-essential realism setting checked (no external cam for example), but still pretty close to the simple mode. As the career went on I started checking a few more things as I needed a little more from the game as it was too simple to down every boat I saw with one torp, but I never really turned off too much, which was probably why I easily sailed into Portsmouth on my 7th patrol and sunk 2 destroyers and 3 merchant ships before nabbing another 2 destroyers on my way out (which I thought was a little too easy and a shame).
Because of this I thought I should start again. I abandoned my career mid-8th patrol and decided beef things up a little. So I D/Led a copy of SH3 Commander and started my second career. My aim was to play with manual targeting on and do all the data gathering and tinkering myself. But I just can't do it for the life of me even having skimmed some of the info on the community manual. I don't know if I'm doing things fundamentally wrong, or if I'm just too slow about it all, but everyone of my torps misses aft and usually not by a whisker. I'm talking a ship or 2s length aft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
So I started my career with everything checked except the manual targeting. So I'm still just pointing and shooting which I'm annoyed about as I feel that's the part which makes the game most exciting. So I'm playing at 85% realism and have finished 2 patrols sinking 3 ships in total. I have Version 1.4 (yes I'm still embarrassed) and the only MOD I have is SH3 Commander.

Now after that little story, my questions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Questions involving SH3 Commander
1, Since installing the Mod I seem to lost the in game German voice sounds. On looking through the SH3 Options on SH3C before launching the game I don't see any option for mute sailors voices on any such option, so don't see how I've managed to stop it, but I would like to have them back on if anyone knows how.

2, What exactly is this rollback thing? I know from reading other posts on the forums that people are always told to ensure they rollback SH3C before installing any other Mod or fiddling with anything. But for just regular playing do I need to do anything about this. I'm not planning on installing any MODs (unless advised to) or fiddling with anything, so do I need to be rolling it back after each time I turn it off, or does it only need doing for adapting the game? So far I've been saying no each time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

3, In the options I selected "Use real ship names in patrol logs" (the only option I've selected so far) yet when I sink a ship in my captain's log it still just says "C2 Cargo" or "Coastal Merchant". I was expecting it to say "HMS Big big loader" or something. Was I correct and it's not working, or is it doing something that I'm not seeing? Also the Flotillas are no longer called 1st and 7th. They are called Weddigen and Wegener. As far as my extremely limited knowledge of German goes these are not the German words for 1st and 7th. Is this a change that I should have expected or another indication that something's not right?

Questions based at sea
4, As I said in my background spiel, I used to skip through the English Channel like it was a Sunday walk. Bow that I've cranked up the realism and gotten myself a sparkly new type VIIB, should I go up and over Scotland to get to the South West of England, or can I still risk sneaking my way through the Channel going to Periscope depth each time I see a ship? It seems an awfully long way to go to me.

5, I've seen people say in posts that getting to an area and patrolling it for 24 hours isn't desperately worth it as the renown you receive from doing so isn't huge. But I'm the kind of person who likes to do what he's told. So I try my best to get full patrols in. But what is the ideal patrol length? I have been able to patrol around for days and days by cruising at 1/3 speed until I get a radio report of an NME ship in range, when I charge off to try and get it. Should I be doing this, dragging it out as long as I can till all my ammo is gone to maximise my tonnage. Or should I be dipping into an area, staying for 24h and then getting home to get posted somewhere else?

Also do my Chief Engineer, Navigator and Weapons Officer becoming exhausted matter at all? When they do I haven't noticed the efficiency of the control room drop at all, but could they potentially drop down dead, meaning I should cut short my patrols, or should I try and rejuvenate them, by switching another officer into their spot (which I find hardly works as by the time 1 has recovered the other 3 are exhausted making it a never ending cycle) or am I fine to strap them into their seats till the end of time?

6, If a destroyer is heading at me and I want to try and hide I never know how deep I can go without asking my Navigator to ping the depth, which I assume is a bad idea as it gives away my position. Where there not navigational charts with approx sea depths during WWII? And if so, is there a MOD which I can get to replace my nav chart, so that I know if I can order a crash dive or not?

Questions for in base
7, Who should I be passing out medals and promotions to? I understand they have marginal effects on endurance (and moral???) but is this significant enough that it matters who I give them to? So far I've just been passing them out to my Officers first, then Petty Officers and then sailors. Should I be rewarding people I feel have performed well, such as everyone in the torpedo room after a particularly successful patrol.

8, In ever game I ever play that involves money or points that you trade in I've been know to be quite a hoarder. "I'm not buying that in case something amazingly wonderful comes along tomorrow and I'll need that money for it" is pretty much how I play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif So other than upgrading to a type VIIB I don't expect to spend my renown in case something super comes along tomorrow.
Should I be saving up my renown just in case, or should I be spending it on upgrades to my boat, or buying more experienced officers and sailors? Right now I always get the freebies.


Well that's all I have... for now. Sorry about the mammoth post, but thanks in advance for all your help. I hope I haven't exhausted you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Foehammer-1
04-21-2007, 07:16 PM
A long post it is. I don't know all the answers, but I will give brief notes on what I do know

2) SH3 commander installs some things such as new (slightly randomized) damage system, equipment failure, etc. Some mods may not like that and you will mess up the game. Rollback replaces all new files with default ones

3) Real names appear in the Commander itself. Open it, go to Available Actions, and ask for a personnel file. Click on any patrol and you will see ship names there

4)I haven't tried to shoot the channel past the beginning of 1940. Too many chances of getting caught in shallow water with 4 DD's on your back. I go around Scotland at ahead 1/3rd, and it's fine...

5) I do the following: I go to the patrol zone. If it is somewhere in the shallow area around AM-19, I fould take a detour. Go to AM52, then go to AM 19 from there, following a convoy route. After patrolling, I come back to AM51-52 and cruise at slow speed there until I catch a convoy. Works everywhere else if you know where convoys will pass

Crew won't drop down dead. If they are exhausted, but the compartment is at full green, tell them to suck it up.

6)very light blue generally means around 30 meters- use caution. Anywhere else, you can order a crash dive, and change depth immediately after. That way you will dive to 25-ish meters, and level off

7)Here is the order I pass my medals in- Watch Officer, machinist officer, the rest of the officers, then go to 2 machinist pettyofficers, followed by 2 radiomen. After that, it's your call. Those are the essentials. Get your watch officer a cross in gold ASAP, so he won't get tired on the job and you won't be sunk by a random fishing boat he doesn't see

8) On the VIIb boat, I usually get the best engine and hydrophone. After that, save up the renown for a IX boat. If you find a boat you like IXC or IX/D2 or XXI later in the war, upgrade it all the way!

Those are my 2 cents, I am sure others will say something too!!

PavelKirilovich
04-21-2007, 08:03 PM
Ah, the Flotilla thing. They're using their names now rather than their numbers - 1st was "Weddigen" and 7th was Wegener. I think 7.Flot was named after its commander, not sure.

I'm on my 17th patrol now, it's 1942 (Started in 1940) and I find that after I patrol my grid square at ~3-5 knots to conserve fuel and get it done with, I can go on a hunt in known "single merchant shipping lanes" or "known convoy lanes" or even creep into harbours and torp some of the larger boats there, etc. The patrol ends when you want it to - most of mine "end" about three days after I run out of torpedoes and sometimes deck-gun ammo as well. My longest is about 28 days.

You get the Deutsche Kreutz im Geld (DKIG: German Cross in Gold) for a patrol of 40K or over 40,000 tons sunk. When awarded to the appropriate crewman, it prevents them from tiring. It can only be awarded to someone who also has the 2nd and 1st classes of Iron Cross as well, so keep that in mind when handing out the medals.

Its recommended you give them to your officers first, since POs and Enlisted rest up much faster and easier than the officers. Other than that give your medals as you see fit.

Ah, stingy with the renown. Well, now that you've got a Type VIIB, put in the MAN supercharger (Exhaust-driven) for a boat that can do about 20 knots on the surface. Other than that you're prettymuch fine with the default equipment. If you switch to a Type VIIC or a Type IX, upgrade with Alberich anti-sonar, the "Kobold" sonar decoy, and other equipment (especially the Radar Warning Reciever) as soon as possible, because that'll be around 1942 and you'll be needing that kit before you get smashed Allied hunter-killer and escort groups.

pmh273
04-23-2007, 04:18 AM
Hello,

The 1sta dn 7th Flotillas were names after famous captains from WW1, Kptlt Weddigen of UB-9 and Wegener of U-27. Have a look here for some interesting information:

http://uboat.net/flotillas/1flo.htm

http://uboat.net/flotillas/7flo.htm

When it comes to patrolling, all I do do is go to the assigned grid, picking off anything worthwhile that I meet on route, sail up and down it for as long as possible (usually longer than the 24 hours required)or until I get bored, before heading back. Must confess this doesn't put me in line for many 100 ton patrols, but its the "doing as ordered" thing I like.

Last time I went through the Channel in 1940 I got absolutely slaughtered, so I tend to go the scenic route these days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Funkasoar
04-24-2007, 01:58 AM
Firstly the stock fatigue system stinks to high heaven. For as long as the game has existed there have been attempts at making the fatigue work better. Ultimately though you'll need to change your crew too often. SH3 Commander has a few different fatigue models though. You can enable then via options. That is if the current fatigue bothers you.

As for cruising speed its actually better to run at something like 8 or 9 knots to get the best fuel economy for range. Depending on how long you run at ahead slow it might be worth it.

For running the channel, you could get away with it in stock SH3. Most mega mods add significant escort and merchant traffic compared to stock. I saw a picture of the SCR layer for stock and GWX and it was like looking at a pile of thread compared to a spider's web. You could get away with it somewhat in stock.

You should get the upgrades that help. Anti-sonar coatings and the supercharger are useless really. In stock you can try and be a warrior against the air attacks but in reality U-boats preferred to crash dive. AA is largely pointless early on anyway. If you want to get more experienced officers you can just use SH3 Commander's crew management option to give them qualifications or promotions yourself.

A good idea for knowing the depth of the water around you is to check the depth when you are alone and generally speaking the depth won't change much so long as you continue to cruise over areas that are the same shade of blue on the map. As a rule, though you want to avoid shallow water engagements. Another reason to go around Scotland.

If you like having renown then do your patrol grid. Plus its only 24 hours. And the roleplay of the game says that you're part of a broader line of U-boats intercepting the enemy so you should follow orders if you like to play it realistically.

Now Manual Targeting. Hehehehe. That one just gets everybody at first. In addition to the community wiki you should read Wazzo's tutorial on it.
Wazzo's Manual TDC Tutorial (http://www.paulwasserman.net/SHIII/)

And once you have that digested you can read this by Dantenoc, his intercept and attack tutorial.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961
And here's the video version: Video Tutorial (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682&highlight=danotec)

And if all that isn't enough, here's Reece's Manual TDC Totorial in RTF format.
http://files.filefront.com/Laymens_manual_TDC_Tutorrar/;6516638;/fileinfo.html

That should get you squared.

diemax
04-24-2007, 02:29 AM
I have 1.4b and GWX.

I can still pass through the english channel relatively safe. What I do is stick to a good 20-30 km off the coast of spain, occupied france, etc. Most ships I see in this close proximity to land are German patrol craft. You have to go a bit slow.... and hope there is no planes. If you get caught by air you have to dive in very shallow water... manuver a bit then stop really. You shouldnt go forward because of the sub nets and mines. As long as there's no air patrol you can make it.

Thats all I have to add. The rest looks taken care of.

Ticcy
04-24-2007, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Funkasoar:
Now Manual Targeting. Hehehehe. That one just gets everybody at first.

And once you have that digested you can read this by Dantenoc, his intercept and attack tutorial.
here's the video version: Video Tutorial (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682&highlight=danotec)


Just watched the video and found it amazingly helpful. I defo think I understand what to do now. I think I was struggling with trying to attack a boat while careering at it rather than jumping in front and waiting for it. I guess I may have to start my third career now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

However, how would the technique need to change for escorts that seem to patrol back and forth and also for convoys when you're attacking multiple ships?

Dietrich-3.F
04-24-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Ticcy:
Should I be saving up my renown just in case, or should I be spending it on upgrades to my boat, or buying more experienced officers and sailors? Right now I always get the freebies.

If you intend to stick with the VIIB for a long time (i.e. several campaign years), then upgrade it. Otherwise, save the renown an use it to "buy" your favourite boat, when it becomes available. I personally like the VIIC, so I don't upgrade the VIIB, but instead "buy" better crew until the VIIC is available. Then I upgrade, upgrade, upgrade whenever I can.

Foehammer-1
04-24-2007, 09:23 AM
During my last career, I upgraded the VIIb I got on September 1 1939 to death, all the way to '43. Only then did I change it for a IX/D2, sice I have never before sailed to the Americas. If you are like that, upgrade

Funkasoar
04-25-2007, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Ticcy:
[QUOTE
Just watched the video and found it amazingly helpful. I defo think I understand what to do now. I think I was struggling with trying to attack a boat while careering at it rather than jumping in front and waiting for it. I guess I may have to start my third career now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

However, how would the technique need to change for escorts that seem to patrol back and forth and also for convoys when you're attacking multiple ships?
Yes the idea is to lie in wait and attack him from an ideal position. ANd practice is a must. Try the Naval Academy Torpedo mission over and over til you don't miss. And its a fast load compared to the main campaign since theres nothing in the game world 'cept you and the targets.

For escorts I would say don't bother with zig zaggers. Your torps are too slow to hit one thats changing course. Your only hope in getting them is to wait for acoustic homing torps later on.

Also, if an escort is sailing a straight course then you should be fine with normal targeting. But don't ever use steamers during daylight cause they'll just get out of the way too quickly.

Ticcy
04-25-2007, 08:44 AM
Excellent, Thanks again for all the help.

I think I'm feeling pretty happy with things now. I just need to play a little more, then have a go at manual targeting some time in the future, but I think it might be good to complete a career without to begin with.

Just one last thing I'd really like to get fixed. In regards to my very first question, does anyone have any idea as to why I have lost the german voices since installing SH3 Commander?

Cheers,
Ticcy

Funkasoar
04-25-2007, 11:37 PM
Just one last thing I'd really like to get fixed. In regards to my very first question, does anyone have any idea as to why I have lost the german voices since installing SH3 Commander?

Cheers,
Ticcy
I don't think that SH3 Commander affects that. Rollback SH3 Commander and then load up SH3 without it. If the German voices are back then it was SH3 Commander and if they aren't then its a seperate issue.

Ticcy
04-26-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Funkasoar:
I don't think that SH3 Commander affects that. Rollback SH3 Commander and then load up SH3 without it. If the German voices are back then it was SH3 Commander and if they aren't then its a seperate issue.

Yes you're right. I've tried a complete reinstall. The voices were there when I tried a new career. Then when I added my previous game data to the SH3 file and loaded up with my career they weren't working. I have no idea how I've managed to turn them off though. It's obviously a setting with my saved careers.

I opened uo Main.cfg and noticed that VoiceCommand=No was there. So I tried setting this to yes, but it still didn't work.

Anyone know what I could have done/what I need to do?

VikingGrandad
04-26-2007, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Ticcy:
I opened uo Main.cfg and noticed that VoiceCommand=No was there. So I tried setting this to yes, but it still didn't work.

Anyone know what I could have done/what I need to do?

Did you edit the main.cfg in the SH3 > data folder, or the main.cfg in My Documents > SH3 folder? It should work if you edit the latter one...

Ticcy
04-26-2007, 12:20 PM
I edited the one in my documents. Should it say VoiceCommand=Yes then?

Perhaps I was inept enough not to save my editing before testing it.

I vaguely remember that I might have turned it off when randomly pressing keys trying to find the screenshot button. Is there a keyboard command for turning off the voices?

Edit: Yep, it's defo a setting or something. I moved my SH3 folder from my documents and loaded the game up and the German and English voices worked fine. On putting my SH3 folder back they stopped again. So I'm not sure what setting I've messed with as I hadn't opened any .cfg files prior, but I guess it has to be a setting somewhere. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif