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Crop-Duster.
07-07-2006, 08:14 AM
Shows just how low pilot sits and

how obscured the view forward in the cockpit was..

5:40 sec into film shows view from pit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qayREUJe65w

luftluuver
07-07-2006, 08:31 AM
All ready been posted, July 6.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2171013064

SeaFireLIV
07-07-2006, 09:36 AM
Well, you know what the Luftwaffler`s will say...

"It`s a Soviet film , so lies! All LIES!"

badatflyski
07-07-2006, 09:51 AM
nop, the lufites would say:
look closer and analyse: the leather cussion on the seat is missing, the russian pilot is sitting on the metal of the seat and not on a cussion like it should be! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
ps:5min10 on the movie.

Herr_Falke
07-07-2006, 11:33 AM
"All ready been posted"

I'm sure he knows that. He just wanted to make sure he put the "Allied point of view/Spin" on the subject.

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Obscured? What video were you watching Crop? You must have it confused with the 190 in FB.

S!

SeaFireLIV
07-07-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by badatflyski:
"Once I saw a smoking hurricane over the French making it's way back towards England and gave it an escort over the channel. Three weeks later I was escorted by three spitfires towards France.
This would never happen in Russia...never."(Me109 pilot).

Couldn`t help but notice your quote, badatflyski. There`s a very good reason why a Russian pilot would never escourt a 109 back to safety. One is because of Hitler`s total war against the `sub-human`. I think if he`d said the same for the British, we wouldn`t have so kindly escorted Jerry back to base either... and neither would Jerry escourt a Hurri back over the water.

It`s never quite as simple as a little quote might make it.

Jaws2002
07-07-2006, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:

Couldn`t help but notice your quote, badatflyski. There`s a very good reason why a Russian pilot would never escourt a 109 back to safety. One is because of Hitler`s total war against the `sub-human`. I think if he`d said the same for the British, we wouldn`t have so kindly escorted Jerry back to base either... and neither would Jerry escourt a Hurri back over the water.

It`s never quite as simple as a little quote might make it.

Agree with that. After what the the nazis did in Ukraine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Sergio_101
07-07-2006, 12:59 PM
Funny the Soviets left the German markings on.
Why is the film propaganda?
It's obvious it was made to help in the defeat
of Fw-190s.
Best to be truthful to help your pilots defeat
the enemy.

Sergio

ploughman
07-07-2006, 04:19 PM
I thought the bucket seat was for the chute, the pilot sat on his chute didn't he and that's why an empty seat always looks empyty? Maybe not always.

Additionally, not speaking Russian but it seems like a training film. The guy pointing at specific areas of the Fw-190 perhaps highlighting vulnerable areas such as ammo storage and so on. I remember reading something about a a vet 190 pilot who said if he had a Spit on his tail he emptied his ammo reserve and made a run for it, might even have been on this forum!

danjama
07-07-2006, 05:15 PM
gay

Badsight-
07-07-2006, 05:33 PM
listen :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF6s7cGBowY&mode=related&search=

new build FW-190 with ASh82 motor

sounds just like FB!

Badsight-
07-07-2006, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Crop-Duster.:
Shows just how low pilot sits and

how obscured the view forward in the cockpit was.. what should be obvious by now is that the Real Life FW-190 had a totally clear gunsite , & that the lower frame bar was not visible

Waldo.Pepper
07-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Funny the Soviets left the German markings on.


Part of the purtpose of the film was (I think) to teach recognition as well. With the German markings on this is what it will look like.

After the war (maybe even during the last few weeks of the war) the Soviets formed an all Fw190D9 unit in Soviet markings. That would make a nice skin!

Timex62
07-08-2006, 08:06 AM
Better to look at 6:30 of the film as it is rolling by. The pilot's view is well above the panel.

Xiolablu3
07-08-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
listen :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF6s7cGBowY&mode=related&search=

new build FW-190 with ASh82 motor

sounds just like FB!

OMG thanks for that! Thats the first time I have seen a 190 flying in colour! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Boemher is gonna freak when he sees that vid.

Thanks Badsight!

Manu-6S
07-08-2006, 09:33 AM
You will find it HERE (http://www.pozefilm.de/warbird.html) in .WMV

I like the engine test.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

VW-IceFire
07-08-2006, 10:22 AM
Thats interesting...I've got the cockpit freeze framed right now. Things I notice:

1) Totally different gunsight than the one we have right now.

2) Gunsight is seemingly higher in the cockpit. The mounting is above the bar and obscures more than the bar does.

So why do we have a different gunsight altogether? That part confuses me. Not trying to start anything either.

Xiolablu3
07-08-2006, 10:36 AM
Exactly my thoughts , Ice. I actually htought the view was pretty similar in the game, it just the matter of the gunsight being incredibly low and small which makes shooting much harder than it should be.

The space between the bar and bullseye, is diectly related to how hard/easy deflection shooting is. You would think that if the view was as bad as it is in game, the Germans would have been clever enough to make the sight higher/bigger, to aid shooting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Surely its just a case of making a bigger gunsight and pointing the guns up a little, simple to do.

After asking around, a few people have said that there were 2 different gunisghts for the FW190.

The one you see in the video and the smaller one we have in game.

Not sure how true this is tho, maybe some others can add some information.

horseback
07-08-2006, 10:58 AM
About the pilots' seating: it is clear in the video that the Soviet pilot is wearing his parachute on his back, so he's clearly not sitting on it.

However, the shots of the cockpit & seat reveal that the back of the seat has a deep 'step' in order to accomodate that kind of parachute harness. This is very much in accordance with the other photos and models I've seen of the FW's cockpit.

Checking Osprey's Aircraft of the Aces Vol. 6, Focke-Wulf 190 Aces of the Russian Front, I found no photos that clearly show the parachute harness the pilots wore, but the color plates section includes a uniform/equipment section at the end, with Plate 5 (page 63) depicting Walter Nowotny in full flying rig, including a Fallschirm30/1 parachute and harness firmly on his back rather than dangling at his backside as a 'seat-pack' normally would.

Still, looking at that metal bucket seat, I cannot imagine myself enjoying spending as little as an hour sitting in it with the bony backside I had as a young man in my twenties.

Does anyone know if the seat featured a cushion pack containing a liferaft or survival gear? Many Allied a/c had them, as pilot memoirs often allude to the discomfort one could experience if the CO2 bottle used to inflate the raft were improperly positioned...

cheers

horseback

ploughman
07-08-2006, 01:48 PM
I think you're right horse although I can't find anything worth posting to prove it. The deep step on the that back of the seat accomodates the chute, as per this image (http://www.thomasgenth.de/ueberlebende/FW_190_A-6/FW190A6_7k.jpg) and the pilot sits on the raft which stops his boney butt going numb. There are some images of modellers cockpits that show a 'raft like shape' in the bucket of the seat but I can't find anything 'original' to show it definately was a raft.

Bremspropeller
07-08-2006, 02:08 PM
The Revi we have in-game is the Revi 16B, which actually just got mounted from he A-7 onwards.
The Reci in the film is a C/12D Revi.

Crop-Duster.
07-08-2006, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
The Revi we have in-game is the Revi 16B, which actually just got mounted from he A-7 onwards.
The Reci in the film is a C/12D Revi.

Well this explains everything....:P