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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:44 AM
Some one in the general forum said there is a model for this that is almost done, can anyone give me some links to it and will it be included in any of the updates, thnx for your help.
S!


HE100
This pleasant looking fighter was another failed attempt by Ernst Heikel AG to compete against the Bf 109. Disappointed by the loss of the Luftwaffe's fighter orders to BFW and it's Bf 109 and the failure of the He 112, Heinkel set out to build a lighter and faster fighter that was also cheaper and easier to build. The resulting Projekt 1035 was completed on May 25, 1937 and by the end 1937 the RLM had sanctioned a prototype and ten pre-production machines. The prototype flew on January 22, 1938 was very fast but was disliked due to high wing loading. The He 100 achieved some of it's speed by doing away with the anti- aerodynamic radiatoer and using a surface evaporative system for cooling. Even though the He 100 broke several world speed records, the RLM was solidly supportive of the Bf 109 and failed to order the He 100 into production. Six prototypes were eventually sold to the Soviet Union and three He 100D-0 went to Japan. The three He 100D-0's being armed with two MG 17 and a 20mm MG/FF. The remaining 12 He 100D-1 fighters were used to form a Heinkel-Rostock factory defense unit, flown by Heinkel pilots. However, in 1940, Goebbels publicised the He 100 to the extent that British intelligence reported the He 100 in large scale service as the He 113.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he100.htm

http://www.german-militaria.co.uk/lufteagle63.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hofstra/heinkel/

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he100.html


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:44 AM
Some one in the general forum said there is a model for this that is almost done, can anyone give me some links to it and will it be included in any of the updates, thnx for your help.
S!


HE100
This pleasant looking fighter was another failed attempt by Ernst Heikel AG to compete against the Bf 109. Disappointed by the loss of the Luftwaffe's fighter orders to BFW and it's Bf 109 and the failure of the He 112, Heinkel set out to build a lighter and faster fighter that was also cheaper and easier to build. The resulting Projekt 1035 was completed on May 25, 1937 and by the end 1937 the RLM had sanctioned a prototype and ten pre-production machines. The prototype flew on January 22, 1938 was very fast but was disliked due to high wing loading. The He 100 achieved some of it's speed by doing away with the anti- aerodynamic radiatoer and using a surface evaporative system for cooling. Even though the He 100 broke several world speed records, the RLM was solidly supportive of the Bf 109 and failed to order the He 100 into production. Six prototypes were eventually sold to the Soviet Union and three He 100D-0 went to Japan. The three He 100D-0's being armed with two MG 17 and a 20mm MG/FF. The remaining 12 He 100D-1 fighters were used to form a Heinkel-Rostock factory defense unit, flown by Heinkel pilots. However, in 1940, Goebbels publicised the He 100 to the extent that British intelligence reported the He 100 in large scale service as the He 113.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he100.htm

http://www.german-militaria.co.uk/lufteagle63.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hofstra/heinkel/

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he100.html


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:55 AM
always had a great admiration for this plane ...


why it was not produced for the LW .... is stunning

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:56 AM
Faster than the 109, not backed by the RLM, and sold to the soviets.......

Just more fuel for the fire that makes you shudder and think "what if?".

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:58 AM
are there anough references and data on this plane to model it ?

i would not be suprised if it was indeed impossible to do so .....

but then again the germans had a near-fetish for documenting everything

ZG77_Nagual
10-07-2003, 02:00 AM
Wasn't this the basis for the Japanese 'Toni' ?

http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/whiner.jpg

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:06 AM
I think you're confused Nagaul. Tony is typically Italian, however, if you do mean Toni, that is mostly black American, female, from what I've seen.



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Hee!





Message Edited on 10/07/0301:11AM by BlitzPig_DDT

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:11 AM
johann_thor wrote:
- always had a great admiration for this plane ...
-
-
- why it was not produced for the LW .... is stunning
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political favor is the anser to your question....heinkel was not that popular...THANK GOD FOR US /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
he made the first twin engine jet fighter HE260...but again the contract went to ME,

"The planned B series was cancelled due to further improvements. The same happened with the heavily armed C serie (2 20mm MG FF, 4 7.92mm MG 17). Heinkel only build three pre-serial He 100D-0 and twelve He 100D-1 (bigger tail unit and cockpit).
Three He 100D-0 were sold to Japan, which planned a licence production, Six prototypes and one He 100D-1 were sold to the USSR, where especially Jakovlev analized it for his later fighters Jak-1 and the excellent Jak-3 (Jakovlev later said that the condensation cooling system was too complex for the rough conditions on russian airfields and didnÔ┬┤t copy it.). The other D-1 were used to defend the Heinkel facilities at Rostock, but never engaged an enemy. Some planes were shown for propaganda purposes as Nightfighter He 113, which was more a mislead for the german people than for the allies. Some british pilots claimed to have encountered He 100's during the Battle of Britain, but they must have been wrong, or weren't they?....... "

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:40 AM
it was similar on the soviet side with the MIG. when they fitted a radial to it it was far superiour to the La5.

does anyone have info on how they handled ? other then 'had a high wing-loading'

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:06 AM
johann_thor wrote:
- it was similar on the soviet side with the MIG. when
- they fitted a radial to it it was far superiour to
- the La5.
-
- does anyone have info on how they handled ? other
- then 'had a high wing-loading'

It handled like a G2 and had aprox the same performance (in some areas even better). All this 3 years before G2! By the time of G2 it could be upgraded to DB605A which would have give it same performance with K4 in '42! That's why it was an outstanding plane.

Unfortunatelly it was not adopted. What I don't understand is why they did not sold it to minor axis countries, it was even cheaper than bf109 and it could run with engines with an generation older than bf109. This way engine supply problems would have diminished, the germans would have been less reluctant to license an old engine.


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:26 AM
"The He 100 had some problems with its condensation cooling system, but these were solved with
an additional retractable normal cooler under the fuselage and the original condensation cooling
system proved that it was able to take as much battle damage as well as normal cooling systems.
The C serie proved that this fighter can carry a armament superior to all enemies of its time.
The expectable dogfight tactics would have been similar to the F4U Corsair and Fw190A (hit and run).
Why didnÔ┬┤t this plane succeed? Even with a standard cooling system (and no condensation cooling),
it would have been still fast enough to be state-of-the-art until at least 1942!
The only weakness I found was the small wing area of 14,50m2. It later would have limited the
amount of additional armour, horsepower, armament and fuel and resulted in a high landing speed.
In fact, the allies wouldnÔ┬┤t have had any chance in the Battle of Britain against
800 Heinkel 100D instead of 800 Me 109E!"

source:
http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he100.htm

long but interesting read
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he100.html

do a google search..it amazing how many pages there are on this plane "Heinkel He 100"
S!

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:34 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- johann_thor wrote:

- Unfortunatelly it was not adopted. What I don't
- understand is why they did not sold it to minor axis
- countries, it was even cheaper than bf109 and it
- could run with engines with an generation older than
- bf109. This way engine supply problems would have
- diminished, the germans would have been less
- reluctant to license an old engine.
-
-


it was sold to japan :

"The Japanese were also looking for new designs, notably those using inline engines where they had little experience. They purchased the three D-0's for 1.2 million DM, as well as a license for production and a set of jigs for another 1.8 million DM. The three D-0's arrived in Japan in May 1940 and were re-assembled at Kasumigaura. They were then delivered to the Japanese Naval Air Force where they were re-named AXHei, for "Experimental Heinkel Fighter". When referring to the German design the plane is called both the He 100 and He 113, with at least one set of plans bearing the later name.

In tests the Navy was so impressed that they planned to put the plane into production as soon as possible as their land-based interceptor - unlike every other forces in the world, the Army and Navy both fielded complete land-based air forces. Hitachi won the contract for the plane and started construction of a factory in Chiba for its production. With the war in full swing in Europe however, the jigs and plans never arrived. Why this wasn't sorted out is something of a mystery, and it appears there isn't enough information in the common sources to say for sure what happened.

The DB 601 engine design was far more advanced than any indigenous Japanese design, which tended to concentrate on air cooled radials. To get a jump into the inline field, Kawasaki had already purchased the license for the 601A from Daimler Benz in 1938. The adoption process went smoothly, they adapted it to Japanese tooling and had it in production by late 1940 as the Ha-40.

At the same time Kawasaki was working on two parallel fighter efforts, the Ki-60 heavy fighter and the Ki-61. The former was abandoned after poor test results (the test pilots disliked the high wing loading, as they always did) but work continued on the lightened Ki-61 with the Ha-40 engine. The Ki-61 was clearly influenced by the He 100.

Like the D's it lost the surface cooling system (although an early prototype may have included it), but is otherwise largely similar in design except for changes to the wing and vertical stabilizer. Since the Ki-61 was supposed to be lighter and offer better range than the Ki-60, the design had a longer and more tapered wing for better altitude performance. This also improved the handling to the delight of the test pilots, and the plane was put into production. The Hien would prove to be the first of the Japanese planes that was truly equal to the contemporary US fighters. "

Note worthy:

"In late 1944 the RLM went shopping for a new high altitude fighter with excellent performance. It's unclear exactly why this happened, as the Ta 152H version of the Fw 190 was currently in limited production for just this task. Nevertheless Heinkel was contracted to design such a plane, and Siegfried G├╝nter was placed in charge of the new "Projekt 1076".

The resulting design was similar to the He 100, but many detail changes resulted in a plane that looked all-new. It sported a new and longer wing for high altitude work, which lost the gull-wing bend and was swept forward slightly at eight degrees. Flaps or ailerons spanned the entire trailing edge of the wing giving it a rather modern appearance. The cockpit was pressurized for high altitude flying, and covered with a small bubble canopy that was hinged to the side instead of sliding to the rear. Other changes that seem odd in retrospect is that the gear now retracted outward like the original 109, and he re-introduced the surface cooling system. Planned armament was one 30mm MK 103 cannon firing through the propeller hub, and two wing-mounted 30mm MK 108 cannons.

The use of one of three different engines was planned: the DB 603M with 1825hp, the DB 603N with 2750hp or the Jumo 213E with 1750hp (the 603M and 213E both supplied 2100hp using MW-50 water injection). Performance with the 603N was projected to be a shocking 880km/h (546mph), which would have stood as a record for many years even when faced with dedicated racing machines. Performance would still be excellent even with the far more likely 2000hp class engines, the 603M was projected to give it the equally amazing speed of 855km/h (532mph).

These figures are somewhat suspect though, and are likely just optimistic guesses that could not have been met - something Heinkel was famous for. Propellers loose efficiency as they approach the speed of sound, and eventually they no longer provide an increase in thrust for an increase in engine power. Even the advanced counter-rotating VDM design is unlikely to have been able to effect this problem too much.

The design apparently received low priority, and it was not completed by the end of the war. Siegfried G├╝nter later completed the detailed drawings and plans for the Americans in mid-1945. "


source:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he100.html



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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:40 AM
Yes, they sold some He-100 prototypes to Japan, which had an influence on Ki-61 Hien design. But the plane that entered in production had little in common with He-100. Performance of Ki-61 was dissapoiting because they chose a large area wing design - it was somewhere between E4 and F2, with a better range.


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:03 AM
Here is a drawing of the He P.1076 from http://luft46.com

http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/3bh1076.jpg



Below is some 3d artwork from Luft Art


http://www.luft46.com/aoart/ao176-2.jpg


http://www.luft46.com/aoart/ao176-4.jpg



IMHO, if the 1076 would have flown, it would have more than likely been flown with a less complex propeller system like the VDM-9 or something similar. I highly doubt the counter-rotating system would have seen production. Same with the evaporative cooling system. The cooling system would have more than likely been modified to a more conventional system using a ventral array with ram air intake much like the enclosure used for the experimental Heinkel-Hirth TK.11 or perhaps a simpler retractable system like the earlier He.100 design. Just my specualation. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Message Edited on 10/07/0312:05AM by Bully_Lang

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:50 AM
I brought this plane up over at Netwings forums, and someone told me that someone had in fact indeed modeled this plane for FB, but someone told me that the model wasnt all that perfect, and the person modeling it gave up on it, I kept on asking if someone could model this plane and make the cockpit for it, A guy named Litebulb said he would and that not much work on the unfinished model was left. Apprently Oleg and Gibbage have alot of info on this plane, included cockpit and FM and DM, I dont know the condition now of the plane, I posted something about it, and im waiting for an anwser.



Message Edited on 10/06/0309:51PM by Wetwilly87

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:55 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- Yes, they sold some He-100 prototypes to Japan,
- which had an influence on Ki-61 Hien design. But the
- plane that entered in production had little in
- common with He-100.[B] Performance of Ki-61 was
- dissapoiting because they chose a large area wing
- design>/B> - it was somewhere between E4 and F2, with a
- better range.

"Like the D's it lost the surface cooling system (although an early prototype may have included it), but is otherwise largely similar in design except for changes to the wing and vertical stabilizer. Since the Ki-61 was supposed to be lighter and offer better range than the Ki-60, the design had a longer and more tapered wing for better altitude performance.<font color=yellow> This also improved the handling to the delight of the test pilots, and the plane was put into production.</font> The Hien would prove to be the first of the Japanese planes that was truly equal to the contemporary US fighters. "


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 07:29 AM
there is a site..........i think its something like
www.flugzewerk.com (http://www.flugzewerk.com)

i cant spell so yeh.......

HONK HONK HONK - TheGoose

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 10:46 AM
this baby also influensed the Russians /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VICTOR MAY HAVE BEEN A WEIRDO,BUT HE WAS A DAMN GOOD FIGHTERPILOT.
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:23 PM
a lightweight interceptor with a range of 900 km !

top speed of 670 km/h (6400m) at combat weight ! WITH A DB601 !!!

not only could this plane have been equal to anything in 1942 .... they could have been used to 1945 ... WITH A DB601 !!! hehehehehehe ....... dumb nazis http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

now lets throw in there a late jumo or a DB605 and .... BZZZZZZZZT

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:33 PM
johann_thor wrote:
- a lightweight interceptor with a range of 900 km !
-
- top speed of 670 km/h (6400m) at combat weight !
- WITH A DB601 !!!
-
- not only could this plane have been equal to
- anything in 1942 .... they could have been used to
- 1945 ... WITH A DB601 !!! hehehehehehe ....... dumb
- nazis /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- now lets throw in there a late jumo or a DB605 and
- .... BZZZZZZZZT
-
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-

I dunno but, it sounds like a plane with low-weight. was the performance better then the 109? if so, the he-100 meight have been too light. They allready had trouble with saving weight in the 109..

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:57 PM
Specifications for the He 100D-1c

Engine:
1,175hp (876kW) Daimler-Benz DB 601M liquid-cooled inverted V12

Dimensions:
span 9.42m (30ft 10 3/4in)
length 8.20m (26ft 10 3/4in)
height 3.60m (11ft 9 3/4 in)

Weights:
empty 2070kg (4,563lb)
max loaded 2500kg (5,512lb)

Wing Area:
14.5m2 (156ft2)

Wing Loading:
29.25lbs/ft2

Performance:
maximum speed 668km/h at 6400m (416mph at 21,000ft)
560km/h (348mph) at sea level
cruise speed unknown
service ceiling 11000m (36,090ft)
range 900km (559miles)

Armament:
one 20mm MG/FF-M firing through the propeller spinner
two 7.92mm MG17 in the wings

Further developments

In late 1944 the RLM went shopping for a new high altitude fighter with excellent performance. It's unclear exactly why this happened, as the Ta 152H version of the Fw 190 was currently in limited production for just this task. Nevertheless Heinkel was contracted to design such a plane, and Siegfried G├╝nter was placed in charge of the new "Projekt 1076".

The resulting design was similar to the He 100, but many detail changes resulted in a plane that looked all-new. It sported a new and longer wing for high altitude work, which lost the gull-wing bend and was swept forward slightly at eight degrees. Flaps or ailerons spanned the entire trailing edge of the wing giving it a rather modern appearance. The cockpit was pressurized for high altitude flying, and covered with a small bubble canopy that was hinged to the side instead of sliding to the rear. Other changes that seem odd in retrospect is that the gear now retracted outward like the original 109, and he re-introduced the surface cooling system. Planned armament was one 30mm MK 103 cannon firing through the propeller hub, and two wing-mounted 30mm MK 108 cannons.

The use of one of three different engines was planned: the DB 603M with 1825hp, the DB 603N with 2750hp or the Jumo 213E with 1750hp (the 603M and 213E both supplied 2100hp using MW-50 water injection). Performance with the 603N was projected to be a shocking 880km/h (546mph), which would have stood as a record for many years even when faced with dedicated racing machines. Performance would still be excellent even with the far more likely 2000hp class engines, the 603M was projected to give it the equally amazing speed of 855km/h (532mph).

These figures are somewhat suspect though, and are likely just optimistic guesses that could not have been met - something Heinkel was famous for. Propellers loose efficiency as they approach the speed of sound, and eventually they no longer provide an increase in thrust for an increase in engine power. Even the advanced counter-rotating VDM design is unlikely to have been able to effect this problem too much.

The design apparently received low priority, and it was not completed by the end of the war. Siegfried G├╝nter later completed the detailed drawings and plans for the Americans in mid-1945.

Conclusions

In 1939 the He 100 was clearly the most advanced fighter in the world. It was even faster than the Fw 190, and wouldn't be bested until the introduction of the F4U in 1943. Nevertheless the plane was not ordered into production. The reason the He 100 wasn't put into service seems to vary depending on the person telling the story, and picking any one version results in a firestorm of protest.

Some say it was politics that killed the He 100. However this seems to stem primarily from Heinkel's own telling of the story, which in turn seems to be based on some general malaise over the He 112 debacle. The fact is that Heinkel was well respected within the establishment regardless of Messerschmitt's success with the 109 and 110, and this argument seems particularly weak.

Others blame the bizarre production line philosophy of the RLM, which valued huge numbers of single designs over a mix of different planes. This too seems somewhat suspect considering that the Fw 190 was purchased shortly after this story ends.

For these reasons I have chosen to accept the RLM version of the story largely at face value; that the production problems with the DB series of engines was so acute that all other designs based on the engine were canceled. At the time the DB 601 engines were being used in both the 109 and 110 aircraft, and Daimler couldn't keep up with those demands alone. The RLM eventually forbade anyone but Messerschmitt to receive any DB 601's, leading to the shelving of many designs from a number of vendors. After all, the 109 and 110 were better than anything out there, so another plane that was even better didn't seem important at all.

The only option open to Heinkel was a switch to another engine, and the RLM expressed some interest in purchasing such a version. At the tim the only other useful inline was the (inferior) Junkers Jumo 211, and even that was in short supply. However the design of the He 100 made adaptation to the 211 difficult. Both the cooling system and the engine mounts were designed for the 601, and a switch to the 211 would have required a redesign. Heinkel felt it wasn't worth the effort considering the plane would end up with inferior performance, and so the He 100 production ends on that sour note.

For this reason more than any other the Fw 190 became the next great plane of the Luftwaffe, as it was based around the otherwise unused BMW 139 (and later BMW801) radial engine. Although production of the engines was only starting, the lines for the airframes and planes could be geared up in parallel without interrupting production of any existing design. And that's exactly what happened.


source:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he100.html

S!



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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:03 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the excellent info.

That CG model kicks ***. Gets my heart racing just looking at it. From a simmers perspective I wish they had put that into production. But just so I could use it in a sim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It would make for a truly kick *** "what if" scenario. It would require someone to take the drawings/plans, and basically finish whatever designwork/testing/calculations would be needed to get an FM from it, but I think the end result would rule. (not necessarily the competition - though it does seem it would do that too. lol)

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:48 PM
blitz u woudnt believe how many sites there are that have this plane listed and or (what if discusiions) I for one am glad they never made it...u see the speed it had in 39...we could only cringe at the thought of what it would have been by 1943, there was one (rather lenthy) analysus of this plane and the end result was had the HE 100 been made instead of the 109 there would have been no BoB the brits would have lost that fight, but who really knows...i would love to see this plane added to IL2.
S!

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 03:12 PM
I've heard that modern "war simulations" by the military types, where they re-enacted the whole war, all end up with the same result. Germany should not have lost, given what resources they had.

I'm left to wonder why DB didn't, or wasn't forced, to license the engine design to other manufacturers localy and in other countries. If it was such a good engine, and if they had trouble keeping up with just BFWs needs, and if others wanted it too..... doesn't make any sense.

Also, I heard that the Hungarians were making higher quality 109s than BFW was near the end of the war. I wonder why they didn't just license the He-100 instead. Seems they could have churned out far more of them (if they were cheaper - seems they would have been being lighter).

I too would love to see it in FB. Both the gull wing and the forward swept wing. But I doubt Oleg would allow it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Any linkage for that discussion you mentioned?



I'm curious about this evaporative cooling system. I've heard of it before in ohter planes, but, how does it work? It sounds like they are evaporating the coolant. Which sounds like a gradual loss of coolant. Which sounds like a very limited range, more limited than fuel capacity. Which could make the plane even lighter, why carry fuel you can't burn afterall? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 03:43 PM
here is a nice read
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he100.html
also check my other posts for more links i will try to put them all on one post
S!

BTW i would be happy just seeing the he100 d in IL2 , the B1 rocket plane is there...why nor the he 100 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:13 PM
Additionally, not only the He 100D-1 seemed completed on Snorri's website early in 2003, the Focke-Wulf Fw 187A-0 also seemed finished and fully textured (camouflaged). Both models were on the "project" page on that site then. ( http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/)

I just read on that site that the Fw 187 project has been aborted. Unfortunately, no way to find out if & why the project was or was not offered to someone else to finish in time for the final add-on for FB.

About the He 100D-1, I have researched this A/C extensively and initiated multiple threads on this board 6-9 months ago. I was told then by Gibbage that the He 100 was being made then by Doorgunner (If I recall correclty) with Snorri's texture, and that Oleg surprisingly had accumulated more than enough data to create a cockpit & flight model for the He 100D-1 for FB. BTW, there is a good quality full size replica of the He 100D-1 in a A/C museum in Chino, California (planes of fame). Gibbage has posted several pics of this replica in this forum then, including cockpit shots. I do not know how accurate that cockpit would be however.

About the Fw 187, it would certainly make a worthy opponent for heavy twin dogfights against the Westland Whirlwind from Nils that is coming soon. Similar conception & configuration, engines, firepower and general dimensions.

I certainly hope that either or better, both of these aircrafts will be "recuperated" by a modeler soon since time is running out fast now that Maddox has released their official support & end-of-life policy for FB. I believe Gibbage has stated that to make it in the proposed final pay add-on of late 2003/early 2004, all models must make it completed in Oleg's hands at the latest by November 15th, which is 5 weeks from now.....

Cheers,

Do 217P

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:45 PM
I believe there are not many cockpit shots of the He-100...
Ah, other dumb action of the RLM: Search in google about the Heinkel He-280 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:54 PM
here are a couple links to keep u up to speed on the HE 100

http://jg777.com/il2/database/de/

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/143.html

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10-09-2003, 01:43 PM
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