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Ritter_Cuda
03-07-2005, 03:19 PM
ok i'm slowly moveing to the more real servers and i'm having trouble with take-off. Seeing around the hugh engine. Since there is no "hang your head out to the side like a dog" key how do you watch your runway until the nose tips down?
Cuda

Ritter_Cuda
03-07-2005, 03:19 PM
ok i'm slowly moveing to the more real servers and i'm having trouble with take-off. Seeing around the hugh engine. Since there is no "hang your head out to the side like a dog" key how do you watch your runway until the nose tips down?
Cuda

Chuck_Older
03-07-2005, 03:23 PM
Two ways. Well three really, but there's no ground crew member to sit on your wing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1) The 'S' Turn. Unlock your tail wheel, and basically swerve left and right. They did it that way....it's not easy

2) When you're lined up on the runway, you use visual references. For example...the left side of the runway is getting closer! Use some right rudder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Once you 'fly the tail', your vision is restored. Flying the tail should take little time. Practice off-line until you do it automatically in your chosen a/c. Just like real life, you're not going to jump into a plane and master it in five minutes

Good luck

Ritter_Cuda
03-07-2005, 03:44 PM
fly the tail? please explain
Cuda

vonPletz
03-07-2005, 03:52 PM
S!
It means get up enough speed so that the tail of the aircraft lifts off the ground. When it does you will be able to see the runway easily. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bikewer
03-07-2005, 03:57 PM
Another tactic is to take note of cloud that's centered over the runway, and line up on that. You can lock your tailwheel when centered, which will keep you pretty much on track till the tail lifts.

Latico
03-07-2005, 04:57 PM
I use the "Page Down" key view after I've lines up on the runway. It gives me a better parefial view of the edge of the runway so I tell if I'm still in the middle, undtil the tail comes up. I use it for taxiing as well, but still have to weave back and forth to make sure I don't run over somebody or something.

Ritter_Cuda
03-07-2005, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Latico:
I use the "Page Down" key view after I've lines up on the runway. It gives me a better parefial view of the edge of the runway so I tell if I'm still in the middle, undtil the tail comes up. I use it for taxiing as well, but still have to weave back and forth to make sure I don't run over somebody or something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
wow that made a big differnce thanks
Cuda
and for BOB I want the hang your head out to the side like a dog button! lol

Stiglr
03-07-2005, 05:57 PM
Uh, you could get a good lineup, and check your compass, and then you'll know if you're veering.

Of course, this doesn't help with making sure you don't run into something "under your nose", but it does help with alignment once you get rolling.

Hairball_1
03-07-2005, 06:11 PM
Pushing down on the stick will lift the tail faster than letting it rise by itself, also.

Just becareful not to mash the prop into the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Charlie901
03-07-2005, 06:34 PM
Or you can do what my co-pilot did when I took a Fantasy Flight in a two seat, 1945, T-6 SNJ. He swerved back and forth when moving down the taxiway so we could see where we were going. It reminded me of a drunk driver. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So there is no easy solution in real life either.

LEXX_Luthor
03-07-2005, 07:03 PM
Note the position of a cloud near the horizon in front of you, keep an eye on the cloud's position next to a canopy strut or gunsight. Use rudder to keep the cloud in the same spot. In case you go off direction for too long before compensating, try to keep the runway edge in view too.

As experiment, I just took off Ki~43 from single strip airfield using the restricted gunsight only. A distant cloud happened to be in the gunsight I kept it there with rudder. When I lifted off I was still in the center of the runway. Normal time speed.

When you get good, you will be able to take off and land on Roads without going off the road and bumping and flopping around. Roads are smooth in FB/PF, having the same takeoff/land properties as runways...only for player plane though. Can't set AI to land on roads (AI road takeoff is possible).

Bearcat99
03-07-2005, 09:43 PM
If you have buddies near you you can lways have them spot for you.

jarink
03-07-2005, 11:00 PM
On aircraft with rear-view mirrors, you can use the other half of the runway (the part you just went over) as a reference, too.

ronison
03-08-2005, 12:38 AM
I just drive the "White Line". If its fogy and dark out side while you drive your car most people will use the white line at the side of the road as a refrence.

Now to do this while taxing and taking off all you do is get a refrence to the edge of the taxi way or runway and keep it there on either the left or right wing of the plane. That works for me.

Of course there are two draw backs.

1. If you are on a taxi way you cant see the turn onto the runway easily.

2. You still are unable to see if there is a plane in front of you. This point can be remidied by paying attention to take off sequence.

whiteladder
03-08-2005, 03:47 AM
A few aircraft can raise the seat (Zero, Wildcat for example), you need to bind a key to toggle this.

This is very useful for carrier take offs online as people tend to spawn right in front of you just as you are about to roll

Mark

Chuck_Older
03-08-2005, 04:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charlie901:
Or you can do what my co-pilot did when I took a Fantasy Flight in a two seat, 1945, T-6 SNJ. He swerved back and forth when moving down the taxiway so we could see where we were going. It reminded me of a drunk driver. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
QUOTE]

That's an "S" turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Standard procedure

womenfly
03-08-2005, 11:26 AM
Taking off in a tail dragger, (wheel takeoff)

1. Line-up aircraft down the center of the runway with the plane as straight as possible on its centerline.
2. Set flaps, elevator trim, lock the tail wheel if so equipped, etc. as per preflight takeoff check list.
3. Do the following in unison:
*Hold a slight amount of up elevator, just enough to keep the tail wheel on the ground. You may also need to hold in some left aileron too, feel your way on this.
*Start to add in takeoff power slowly, not all at once, this will only veer you off the runway due to torque ( P-factor).
*Start using your peripheral vision to keep your plane centered on the runway as you start to roll. Do this by the runway edges, a distance point, etc.
*As your ground speed increases, slowly apply down elevator to raise the tail to a normal level flight attitude.
*Hold the tail up and the mains on the runway with the aircraft in a normal level flight attitude while continuing to increase your ground speed..
*Continue in this attitude until you reach minimum best climb airspeed.
4. As airspeed increases and only then, slowly apply increased up elevator and trim for best climb.

Now the most important control is your rudder on takeoff. You will preform the greatest tap dance of your life with it in keeping her straight down the runway €¦. use it!
The greatest mistake pilots do is to over control with it. You DO NOT want to correct the yaw all at once. Use the rudder to first STOP the yaw, then to straighten the aircraft and only then to re-center the aircraft if room permits.

Again DO NOT hold in rudder to the point where the aircraft's yaw starts to recover €¦.. by then its to late, reverse yaw will take over and you will be heading in the opposite direction across the runway in an instant! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

As one Polish pilot said to the other;

(copilot)€ Wow is this runway short€
(pilot) €œ Yea, and its wide too!€

<span class="ev_code_PINK">BTW: I am Polish €¦..</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Charlie901
03-08-2005, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charlie901:
Or you can do what my co-pilot did when I took a Fantasy Flight in a two seat, 1945, T-6 SNJ. He swerved back and forth when moving down the taxiway so we could see where we were going. It reminded me of a drunk driver. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
QUOTE]

That's an "S" turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Standard procedure <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Your right. At least that's what the pilot said it was when we were doing it. Pitty I forgot the termanology. Guess I have to re-watch my video. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HerrGraf
03-08-2005, 08:55 PM
You might want to be on as wide a view as possible to help your periferial vision out.



Rookie codriver: Boy L.A. sure is a big place.
Driver: Kid, we are in Modesto!

Cess-SGTRoc
03-09-2005, 07:07 AM
I fly a taildrager in real life, and as the others said you have to weave the aircraft back and forth to make sure you are not running into anything. When you are on the run way you cannot see over the front of the aircraft very well at all, so what we do and what most pilots are taught is to whatch the left side of the runway when you are taking off, you will be able to tell if you are moving to far one way or another.
After you have built a littl speed just push forward on the stick till you tail comes up, this takes very little speed to get this to happen , after the tail comes up you should be able to keep the plane level as you build air speed. But at that time you can see all.

womenfly
03-09-2005, 07:59 AM
"I fly a taildrager in real life, and as the others said you have to weave the aircraft back and forth to make sure you are not running into anything." Cess-SGTRoc

<span class="ev_code_PINK">..... do this only while taxing!</span>

"I fly a taildrager in real life,"....So do I. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

horseback
03-09-2005, 10:49 AM
Flying a German fighter, the 'needle' (Turn & Bank indicator) deflects pretty easily, so it'll visibly lean in the direction you're turning, even on the ground. In other aircraft, the speed bar heading line can be a pretty useful substitute; a variation of 3-5 degrees can be a Bad Thing on a narrow runway in a very short time!

cheers

horseback