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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:30 AM
For those of you who had the will power to resist downloading the leaked Beta (version 1.08) you can smile as it's been confirmed that if your computer shows a date of 1 August 2003 or later IL2FB will not run.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:30 AM
For those of you who had the will power to resist downloading the leaked Beta (version 1.08) you can smile as it's been confirmed that if your computer shows a date of 1 August 2003 or later IL2FB will not run.

Zayets
08-01-2003, 09:35 AM
Man , that's a relief! I've been tempted many time to try this beta , but due to other problems I've resisted temptation. Seriously now , is anything changed in the beta?


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:44 AM
you just change the date on your computer and it works...come on kids thats an easy one to bypass

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:45 AM
Well, that`s a little under-handed, isn`t it? I had to reinstall FB last night I couldn`t figure out what had gone wrong! So that`s why? Hmm... I don`t like this kind of thing. I hope they don`t implement booby traps like this in the official patch.


This is beginning to make me paranoid. The end of HL, the patched timed to self-destruct today... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:48 AM
Yes a easy fix but a pain in the sit upon. Thats what I get for not being able to resist. :}
No doubt the real patch in a few days will not work with beta 1.08 (remeber Oleg was irritated last year and one of the patches for IL2 did not work with the leaked beta then too I recall.)

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 01:43 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Well, that`s a little under-handed, isn`t it? I had
- to reinstall FB last night I couldn`t figure out
- what had gone wrong! So that`s why? Hmm... I don`t
- like this kind of thing. I hope they don`t implement
- booby traps like this in the official patch.
-
-
- This is beginning to make me paranoid. The end of
- HL, the patched timed to self-destruct today...

Contact UBI and demand the customer service you deserve. I would , but then i didn't download the pirateware!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 02:06 PM
Well...well, beta versions are a cheap variant to get volunteer testers...without expensive test runs etc.
I don't see any reason why this should be programmed this way.
I thought different of the crew doing the beta...but... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Luckily I didn't download it because of original IL-2's update problems of beta versions... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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08-01-2003, 02:07 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:33 PM
Does all this mean that the pactch is now sittting ready on Oleg;s PC? Or is there a Beta9? Hmmm, even though I resisted installing the Beta8, I think I'll go check Google for the next version. I hope I don't find it, because that would indicate that the final patch is ready!



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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:40 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Well, that`s a little under-handed, isn`t it? I had
- to reinstall FB last night I couldn`t figure out
- what had gone wrong! So that`s why? Hmm... I don`t
- like this kind of thing. I hope they don`t implement
- booby traps like this in the official patch.

It's a little underhanded to steal sotware. It takes a real dumass to complain when stolen software dosn't work.



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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:17 PM
ROTFL!!!

I've just re-installed FB because it wouldn't launch. Wish I'd seen this first.

Bugg&r...! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:19 PM
Why bother...it`s outdated anyways /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:21 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Why bother...it`s outdated anyways

not as outdated as out-of-the-box FB

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:33 PM
Everybody who has the patch should know about the date thingy. It takes 10 seconds to turn your date back. That's what you get for getting the patch from anybody but a friend../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:43 PM
- RedDeth wrote:
- you just change the date on your computer and it
- works...come on kids thats an easy one to bypass



Mr. Deth is right. This is a very small problem indeed. Just click the month back to July and Bob's your uncle - and, if you're from San Francisco, probably your aunt as well.

(Just one other detail: if you're running Yacsmon or some such time-correcting application, you'll have to turn it off or it will promptly switch you back to August. But that's no trouble and as a minibonus frees up a little bit of memory.)

Then when you exit, click it back to the correct month. What's the big deal about that? No worse than having to start up Stab first so the correct markings will show up, and nowhere near as much trouble as shutting down a lot of background apps to get decent framerates, and we've been doing those things for years now.

Certainly it's not a lot to have to do for the results you get. When you consider the many significant improvements the beta makes, it's worth a couple of extra steps.

If this was supposed to be a deterrent, it's a very half-assed one.

Assuming of course that this is the only poison-pill item hidden in the beta. Maybe something worse will happen in another month? My computer suddenly erases my entire dirty-picture collection?

But of course by then the official patch will be out. Will have been out for a long time, won't it? We all know that. Because they've said it will be out next week. And they have never ever failed to keep their promises about release dates. No indeed.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:55 PM
And surely everybody has figured out the implications:

(1) Maddox and Ubi make a long series of public statements about when the official patch is to be released. They keep changing the date, month after month, but they're quite clear that it will be before the first of August.

(2) Finally, as July starts to run out, Ubi announces that Maddox has suddenly discovered he needs more time. Last-minute delay: patch is now expected to be out second week in August.

(3) Leaked Beta 8 turns out to contain a built-in self-terminator as of August 1.

Which says to me that Maddox, no matter what he said, never seriously expected to have the official patch out in June or July. He must have always expected to release it some time in August at the earliest.

Because otherwise why set the beta to shut down after August 1? If the official patch was going to come out any sooner, then the poison pill would serve no purpose, since once the final patch came out everybody would be dumping the beta anyway.

So certain respected persons have been hosing us all along. Anyone who is surprised by this has not been paying attention.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 07:16 PM
Blind_Joe_Death wrote:
- And surely everybody has figured out the
- implications:
-
- (1) Maddox and Ubi make a long series of public
- statements about when the official patch is to be
- released. They keep changing the date, month after
- month, but they're quite clear that it will be
- before the first of August.
-
- (2) Finally, as July starts to run out, Ubi
- announces that Maddox has suddenly discovered he
- needs more time. Last-minute delay: patch is now
- expected to be out second week in August.
-
- (3) Leaked Beta 8 turns out to contain a built-in
- self-terminator as of August 1.
-
- Which says to me that Maddox, no matter what he
- said, never seriously expected to have the official
- patch out in June or July. He must have always
- expected to release it some time in August at the
- earliest.
-
- Because otherwise why set the beta to shut down
- after August 1? If the official patch was going to
- come out any sooner, then the poison pill would
- serve no purpose, since once the final patch came
- out everybody would be dumping the beta anyway.
-
- So certain respected persons have been hosing us all
- along. Anyone who is surprised by this has not been
- paying attention.


Ehh.. because Beta 8 comes after beta 7 and beta 8 is not as old as you think?

There's a good amount of funny conspiracy theories to read here everyday.

Everyone that work in or have worked in developement in the computer field knows what a deadline expected by programmers mean. It's just that managers always forget to multiply that by 5. 10 is a safer number though.

1c is not an exception.


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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 07:36 PM
Ok people, this is how it works:

First, turn on your brain.
Second, turn on your computer.
Lastly, visit forums.

Got it?

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08-01-2003, 09:04 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:26 PM
- Ehh.. because Beta 8 comes after beta 7 and beta 8
- is not as old as you think?

How do you know what I think? You're some kind of psychic or something?

But of course I don't have to "think" to find out how old Beta 8 is. All I have to do is go through the Beta 8 files checking "properties" and I learn that the most recent file in the package, files.SFS, was created on June 30. (At 2:33 PM. Eastern Standard Time? Doesn't say.) No subsequent modifications are shown.

So it appears that Beta 8 existed in its present form at least as far back as June 30. (Most of the leaking took place considerably later - the zip I got was dated July 18 - but that's irrelevant.)

Now on June 21 Oleg Maddox announced in the Romper Room that "the work over patch almost finished. So I hope to get final result during 2-2,5 weeks."

Which, by the most liberal interpretation, meant no later than the middle of July. Yet on June 30 the Beta 8 patch carried a self-destruct date of August 1.

Well, OK, you'll say, obviously during the time between June 21 and June 30 they discovered something that made him say, "Nyet. No way in hell we can fix this by middle of July. First of August probably. Set time bomb in beta to go off August 1."

All right, it could happen; a lot can happen in nine days, after all. BUT - in the same announcement of June 21 - Maddox also says that he has to "run from office" and he's going to be gone till July 3.

The poison pill could well have been created and installed during his absence; but does anybody seriously believe anybody would have done that without his prior authorization? The decision has to have been made before he left on June 21, even though the beta itself was not fully assembled until the 30th.

You can probably come up with some far-fetched scenarios to explain all this, but the only interpretation I can see is that when Maddox said he hoped to have it out by the middle of July, he was already expecting it to take two or three weeks longer.

(At least. Note that none of this proves he expected it WOULD be ready by August 1; merely that the Beta 8 patch would have exhausted its usefulness. The termination date shows only that Maddox expected the patch would be done by that date, OR ELSE the testing would still be going on and it would be necessary to issue another beta. As may well turn out to have been the case.)

And then later on, as the mid-July date started to get closer, he made another announcement about hoping to have it finished in a week (even though back in June he had said it was "almost finished"). That particular announcement was so vaguely worded as to be almost content-free, but nevertheless it gave the impression that he was hoping to have it done quite soon, when it would have been more honest to say, "Don't expect the patch before August 1, because I don't."

You can call that whatever you like; where I come from, when somebody says something and knows damn well it probably isn't so, we call it "lying."

And there's only one kind of man who lies, and that's a liar.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:52 PM
QUOTE: Blind_Joe_Death...
"You can call that whatever you like; where I come from, when somebody says something and <font size="2" color="white">knows</font> damn well it <font size="2" color="white">probably</font> <font size="2" color="white">isn't </font> so, we call it "lying.""

THEN, the people where you come from should work on their reading, writing, and comprehension skills. Most probably though, Blind_Joe_Death, it is just a few people like you that need to work on those things. Seeing a shrink might help you work on some other issues, also.

Heck, you might as well research the processes of software development, too, while you are 'working on yourself'.

BTW, your June 30 file could have been a 'roll-over' from the previous beta/s. So, NOW how are you going to insinuate Oleg is a liar?

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Message Edited on 08/01/0304:14PM by RealKill

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 10:00 PM
georgeo76 wrote:
-
- It's a little underhanded to steal sotware. It takes
- a real dumass to complain when stolen software
- dosn't work.



I could not have said it any better.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 10:06 PM
Yes, EmbarkChief, what georgeo76 wrote is definitely worth repeating... AGAIN!

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 11:53 PM
georgeo76 wrote:



"It's a little underhanded to steal sotware. It takes a real dumass to complain when stolen software dosn't work. "



(I knew I would have to say this... I don`t have to but I will. And I will say this only once... )



Now you see this is completely wrong. Olegg and his crew needed last minute testers to tie any little holes in the patch. By ALLOWING US to install this patch and trying it I was able to go to Sim Hq, like many others, and leave Ian Boys with our concerns and observations that he gratefully received ( the last taken on 30th July 03 I believe).

So what we have actually done is helped to make the resultant patch less buggy and more accurate in FMs, etc. Meaning that you guys will receive a BETTER patch that you can ENJOY TO YOUR HEART`S CONTENT! You should be thanking us!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 12:03 AM
Holy Crap!!!
"My computer suddenly erases my entire dirty-picture collection?"
You said Beat 8 is gonna make my porn collection dissapear!!??!! Boy am I glad I didn't download the "leaked" Beta....
Men- this is dang serious. You just can't go messin around with another mans porn collection...
Seriously-
Rat

"It's a little underhanded to steal sotware. It takes a real dumass to complain when stolen software dosn't work." Thanks George

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08-02-2003, 12:04 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 01:13 AM
Blind_Joe_Death wrote:

snipped lot of content

- You can probably come up with some far-fetched
- scenarios to explain all this, but the only
- interpretation I can see is that when Maddox said he
- hoped to have it out by the middle of July, he was
- already expecting it to take two or three weeks
- longer.

snipped again.


So what. I just wait for the release. They could have produced 3 patches already. I prefer to wait for a big one. Meanwhile, i enjoy the game as it is.

You could come with the best explanation of the world, that doesn't change the fact that i will get, like you, patch on same time than anyone else. Something is sure though, you have no proof of what you're saying. They are just speculations that you wrote on the fly while, it seem, being a bit angry.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 01:20 AM
Blind_Joe_Death,

While you're drumming up all sorts of theories about how Oleg has been conspiring to lie to us all you might want to keep in mind that usually the most banal answer is the right one...that is unless you live in a trailer park watching Oprah and wearing a tin foil hat. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Putting a time-bomb, as you call it, is common practice in software development with regards to beta patches and such. I've been a beta tester before and have seen this all the time.

Developers, for good reason, don't want half-finished work floating around (usually) outside their test groups and put a dated kill-switch in. Remember a little MS product called Windows XP? well, XP betas had the same thing. Unreal Tournament 2003 had the same thing.

The date of the kill switch doesn't HAVE to mean anything other than it shuts down a reasonable time after they EXPECT to progress to the next beta or finished product.

Common sense has a way of blowing your theory all to he11 now doesn't it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 01:26 AM
Blind_Joe_Death wrote:
-- RedDeth wrote:
-- you just change the date on your computer and it
-- works...come on kids thats an easy one to bypass
-
-
-
- Mr. Deth is right. This is a very small problem
- indeed. Just click the month back to July and Bob's
- your uncle - and, if you're from San Francisco,
- probably your aunt as well.
-
- (Just one other detail: if you're running Yacsmon
- or some such time-correcting application, you'll
- have to turn it off or it will promptly switch you
- back to August. But that's no trouble and as a
- minibonus frees up a little bit of memory.)
-
- Then when you exit, click it back to the correct
- month. What's the big deal about that? No worse
- than having to start up Stab first so the correct
- markings will show up, and nowhere near as much
- trouble as shutting down a lot of background apps to
- get decent framerates, and we've been doing those
- things for years now.
-
- Certainly it's not a lot to have to do for the
- results you get. When you consider the many
- significant improvements the beta makes, it's worth
- a couple of extra steps.
-
- If this was supposed to be a deterrent, it's a very
- half-assed one.
-
- Assuming of course that this is the only poison-pill
- item hidden in the beta. Maybe something worse will
- happen in another month? My computer suddenly
- erases my entire dirty-picture collection?
-
- But of course by then the official patch will be
- out. Will have been out for a long time, won't it?
- We all know that. Because they've said it will be
- out next week. And they have never ever failed to
- keep their promises about release dates. No indeed.
-

Are you an official beta tester?

Patch cut-of is scheduled as same date than the official one was supposed to be released.

A couple more days seem to have been taken to make sure we get a complete product, unlike some companies that will simply avoid some of the planned enhancement to release the patch. No big deals here.





Message Edited on 08/02/0312:30AM by WUAF_1Lt_Sharx

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 01:28 AM
PriK wrote informatively:
- Blind_Joe_Death,
-
-
- Putting a time-bomb, as you call it, is common
- practice in software development with regards to
- beta patches and such. I've been a beta tester
- before and have seen this all the time.
-
- Developers, for good reason, don't want
- half-finished work floating around (usually) outside
- their test groups and put a dated kill-switch in.
- Remember a little MS product called Windows XP?
- well, XP betas had the same thing. Unreal
- Tournament 2003 had the same thing.
-


Ah, Prik. I didn`t know this was common practise. Thanx for your points.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 02:57 AM
SeaFireLIV wrote:

- So what we have actually done is helped to make the
- resultant patch less buggy and more accurate in FMs,
- etc. Meaning that you guys will receive a BETTER
- patch that you can ENJOY TO YOUR HEART`S CONTENT!
- You should be thanking us!!

Let's be clear Sea fire.

1st scenario
You are actually a legitimate beta tester. (You left this unclear since you said that Oleg 'allowed' you to install the patch, which is a dubious way to phrase it.) If this is the case I apologize for calling you a thief. However your still didn't know there was a time bomb and couldn't figure it out. You reinstalled your entire game, so I assume you didn't make backup copies when you installed the patch. I question your ability as a beta tester.

2nd scenario
You're not a beta tester and you think you are. Whatever happened on Sim hq is inconsequential to the fact that you installed the beta for your own personal entertainment. Do you really think that a bunch of pirates could assist in the development process w/ the likes of 1cMaddox and legitimate beta testers already on the job? What could you contribute? You took something that didn't belong to you; because you wanted it; without permission.

Either way you're arrogant and defensive, using nonsensical arguments about gratitude that you sir, do not deserve.




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08-02-2003, 03:16 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 10:38 AM
georgeo76 wrote:




"Let's be clear Sea fire.

1st scenario
You are actually a legitimate beta tester. "



Yes. I think I`m a beta-tester (ask a stupid question). I never for a second assumed my self as a beta tester. I was just glad to help and maybe, just maybe I might have noticed something someone else didn`t.


"2nd scenario
You're not a beta tester and you think you are. Whatever happened on Sim hq is inconsequential to the fact that you installed the beta for your own personal entertainment."



I D/L the patch the moment I discovered that notes were being taken on SimHq on ordinary people`s view of the patch and so what if we have fun while doing it?

Interesting,,, whatever happened at Simhq is inconsequential? Why not tell Ian Boys that? Why not tell the programmers to whom he passed our innocent points and observations to?


Idiot. Your type will never admit to being wrong. And YOU, georgeo76, should thank us.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 02:38 PM
For the record I haven't downloaded or installed the beta. Not because of some lofty anti-pirating ideal but simply because I'm patient enough to wait for the real deal. Also, as a guy (read: intermediate noobie /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) who's still learning the planes' relative performances I don't want to get used to something and have to relearn it again later.

Although I had no prior knowledge that the beta had a kill-switch (not every product beta does) I still didn't want to take a chance that I'd have to re-install because of an incompatibility. No biggie, I'm just lazy that way.

I don't think the beta was leaked purposely yet I don't think it's a huge concern for 1C either. Since the cat was already out of the bag I don't think they minded that suggestions were coming in from the pseudo-beta testers, submitted by IanBoys. I mean why not?

Yes, there is some question of 1C legitimizing the download and spread of the beta by accepting those suggestions but I don't really think they're losing any sleep.

In the end, those who used the beta and submitted (through Ianboys thread) their bugs and suggestions DID end up contributing to BOTH the quality of the patch AND likely the extra delay too! We end up with more stuff attended to and a better game. Seems like a win/win.



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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:03 PM
PriK wrote:
- For the record I haven't downloaded or installed the
- beta. Not because of some lofty anti-pirating ideal
- but simply because I'm patient enough to wait for
- the real deal. Also, as a guy (read: intermediate
- noobie /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) who's still learning
- the planes' relative performances I don't want to
- get used to something and have to relearn it again
- later.
-
- Although I had no prior knowledge that the beta had
- a kill-switch (not every product beta does) I still
- didn't want to take a chance that I'd have to
- re-install because of an incompatibility. No
- biggie, I'm just lazy that way.

the test8 patch doesn't have a 'kill-switch' (lol). it just doesn't work on the 1st of August. that's it, and it certainly doesn't delete or corrupt your FB installation. It's funny that you seem to think it does.

as for uninstalling the test8 patch, it's a breeze. just delete the couple files and replace some of em with the previous copies.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:17 PM
So what did you think I meant by a "kill-switch"? It stops working on a certain date, are we disagreeing here or are you saying that it only stops working for one day? Where did I say it deletes or corrupts the whole installation other than the possibility that you may not be able to apply the REAL patch cleanly over top of the beta?

Yes, of course it's not that big of a deal to uninstall the patch but as I also said, I happen to be too lazy to do so. I guess we'll see for sure when the patch is out whether you will need to reinstall or not. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif





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