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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:57 PM
I just received this from HardwareAnalysis http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1665/.

I don't mean this as an advertisment for ATI cards or an attack on NVIDA. I own both brands but think that some folks might be interested in the new 9600 card.



MARKHAM, Ontario - ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) today introduced the RADEONT 9800 XT and the RADEONT 9600 XT, delivering killer DirectX 9 performance in leading games like Half-Life 2, which will be bundled with the graphics cards.

The RADEON 9800 XT, the most powerful visual processor available, takes the award-winning RADEON 9800 architecture, the first and only to feature eight full pixel pipes, and makes it even faster. Shipping immediately, the graphics cards will feature 256MB of graphics memory and a wide, 256-bit memory interface. In addition to the brute-force capabilities of the visual processor, the architecture is efficiently designed to process instructions in parallel, maximizing performance. The RADEON 9800 XT will be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners. ATI's retail product will have a suggested retail price of $499.

The RADEON 9600 XT, the world's first visual processor developed using a low k dielectric process, features four pixel pipes and 128MB of graphics memory and delivers unbeatable performance for under $200. Recent reviews have shown the RADEON 9600 XT to outperform cards twice its price in today's shader-intensive DirectX 9 games. Gamers will enjoy the stunning visual quality that the RADEON 9600 XT delivers, which renders in full precision at all times. The card will also be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners.

"ATI's performance and image quality in DirectX 9-class games is unmatched," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing, General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. "By bundling Half-Life 2 with these products we are giving our customers the opportunity to experience the full capability of ATI's DirectX 9 hardware."

Customers purchasing ATI's RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will also get a free copy of Half-Life 2 when the game ships. "We chose to partner with ATI because of their outstanding DirectX 9 performance," said Gabe Newell, Founder and Managing Director, Valve. "Half-Life 2 relies heavily on advanced shader technologies to give the game a realistic and immersive environment. ATI's DirectX 9-class RADEONT cards are the best choices for playing Half-Life 2."

ATI's RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will be available in high-end gaming systems from system builders like ABS, Alienware, CyberPower, Elite PC, Falcon Northwest, IbuyPower, MDG, Velocity Micro, Voodoo PC and ZT Group.

Add-in-board partners and third party graphics card manufacturers will also be distributing products for retail, and for the OEM and white box markets. Board partners include ASUSTeK, Celestica, Connect3D, CP Technology, GeCube, Giga-Byte, Hercules, Hightech Information System, Sapphire, VisionTek and Yuan.

For more information on ATI or its new products, please

visit http://www.ati.com.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:57 PM
I just received this from HardwareAnalysis http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1665/.

I don't mean this as an advertisment for ATI cards or an attack on NVIDA. I own both brands but think that some folks might be interested in the new 9600 card.



MARKHAM, Ontario - ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) today introduced the RADEONT 9800 XT and the RADEONT 9600 XT, delivering killer DirectX 9 performance in leading games like Half-Life 2, which will be bundled with the graphics cards.

The RADEON 9800 XT, the most powerful visual processor available, takes the award-winning RADEON 9800 architecture, the first and only to feature eight full pixel pipes, and makes it even faster. Shipping immediately, the graphics cards will feature 256MB of graphics memory and a wide, 256-bit memory interface. In addition to the brute-force capabilities of the visual processor, the architecture is efficiently designed to process instructions in parallel, maximizing performance. The RADEON 9800 XT will be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners. ATI's retail product will have a suggested retail price of $499.

The RADEON 9600 XT, the world's first visual processor developed using a low k dielectric process, features four pixel pipes and 128MB of graphics memory and delivers unbeatable performance for under $200. Recent reviews have shown the RADEON 9600 XT to outperform cards twice its price in today's shader-intensive DirectX 9 games. Gamers will enjoy the stunning visual quality that the RADEON 9600 XT delivers, which renders in full precision at all times. The card will also be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners.

"ATI's performance and image quality in DirectX 9-class games is unmatched," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing, General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. "By bundling Half-Life 2 with these products we are giving our customers the opportunity to experience the full capability of ATI's DirectX 9 hardware."

Customers purchasing ATI's RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will also get a free copy of Half-Life 2 when the game ships. "We chose to partner with ATI because of their outstanding DirectX 9 performance," said Gabe Newell, Founder and Managing Director, Valve. "Half-Life 2 relies heavily on advanced shader technologies to give the game a realistic and immersive environment. ATI's DirectX 9-class RADEONT cards are the best choices for playing Half-Life 2."

ATI's RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will be available in high-end gaming systems from system builders like ABS, Alienware, CyberPower, Elite PC, Falcon Northwest, IbuyPower, MDG, Velocity Micro, Voodoo PC and ZT Group.

Add-in-board partners and third party graphics card manufacturers will also be distributing products for retail, and for the OEM and white box markets. Board partners include ASUSTeK, Celestica, Connect3D, CP Technology, GeCube, Giga-Byte, Hercules, Hightech Information System, Sapphire, VisionTek and Yuan.

For more information on ATI or its new products, please

visit http://www.ati.com.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 09:14 PM
Hmm, Valve and ATI makin a move to kill Nvidia?? This doesnt look good for Nvidia thats for sure...

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 09:36 PM
Well it´s no major update. Expect the relationship be the same between 9800xt and NV38. Both offers 5-10 % performance increase over the 9800 PRO resp 5900 ULTRA roughly. No new hardware design just new cooling, some new hardware monitoring functions and higher clocks...

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 09:41 PM
wait 2 months for the new gen cards.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:17 AM
Price range is always a consideration for the average gamer. I think most folks will rely on the rich and the card makers to work out the kinks. The average guy will see this and the other new cards down Price Drop Lane.

I think most folks will "WANT" to get these and the other newest latest cards, but at $500.00 plus tax /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif a pop, how many of you are really going to cough it up right off the bat?

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:24 AM
Definiatly. The high end video card market is only for 5 % of the gamers really... But it´s good PR for the companys having the fastest video card on the market.

Makes more people buy their budget cards since the reviews of the high end video cards aren´t in relationship with how many actually buys them.

ZG77_Nagual
10-02-2003, 12:26 AM
This is the stretch till the next gen cards. Personally I go for the sweet spot price wise - the leading edge is seldom worth it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:02 AM
However, that low K dielectric on the 9600XT is pretty significant.

Basically, when parallel wires in the circuits are operating at extremely high frequency, the space between the wires begins to act as a capacitor at those frequencies, and the circuit begins to behave as if those two wires were connected. you get huge signal cross talk between them.

If you lower the capacitance (K) of the material between the wires (the dielectric), then it takes higher frequencies for it to start cross talking.

Chips made with low K dielectric materials can be run at much higher clock frequencies.

That's the abridged version, by the way.

I'm guessing ATI is releasing it on the 9600 line first, to learn the process. Even if the first few batches aren't all that great, they are much more likely to be acceptable than 9800 chips. Once they've perfected the process, they can start using it on the finikier high end chips.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 05:52 AM
Rogodin wrote:
- wait 2 months for the new gen cards.


I'm waiting a little longer for PCI-express to come out,go though the trial and error fase and I'll go for a major upgrade. Saving up my loose change and beer cans now.

They can throw as many chezzy 10% performance increase cards out all they want that cost an arm and a leg and I won't bite.

I think ATI pushed the .15 chip up as far as it can perform.

LLv34_Jani
10-02-2003, 08:32 AM
Well read this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
rest my case!

"We used ATI's publicly available Catalyst 3.7 drivers and in order to support the NV38 we used NVIDIA's forthcoming 52.14 drivers. The 52.14 drivers apparently have issues in two games, neither of which are featured in our test suite (Half Life 2 & Gunmetal)."

And regarding Aquamark 3 testing...
"Image quality appears to have improved for NVIDIA in this benchmark over what has been reported of previous drivers, and the NV38 handled the massive overdraw portion of the test the smoothest of all the cards."


http://www.anandtech.com/video/show...?i=1890&p=5

PS! this is quoted from Nvidia forums over at www.guru3d.com (http://www.guru3d.com)