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raaaid
12-30-2007, 05:42 AM
http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=8...&messageID=800007763 (http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800000240&messageID=800007763)

i mean even mineral water has it, theres no way not to have it

JG52Uther
12-30-2007, 05:50 AM
Well i have been drinking it for 40 odd years and its not done me any harm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

CzechTexan
12-30-2007, 06:02 AM
it was done so that we wouldn't have to pay their dental bills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

raaaid
12-30-2007, 06:02 AM
how do you know i learnt that flurine might even calcify the pineal gland of the brain

pineal gland is a light sensor that traditionally has been linked to the third eye

i think snakes use it to detect heat

i know usa water is flurizaded, what about europe

my ancestors fought for freedom to chose and now i can not chose not to have fluorine

CzechTexan
12-30-2007, 06:08 AM
No, it was done so that we wouldn't have to pay their dental bills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG52Uther
12-30-2007, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:


i know usa water is flurizaded, what about europe

my ancestors fought for freedom to chose and now i can not chose not to have fluorine

Course you can choose not to drink it.You have rain where you live? Just collect it in a barrel.You might want to boil it first though before you drink it.Unless you consider the process of boiling to be an alchemy worthy of the devil!

raaaid
12-30-2007, 06:23 AM
great in my country water is fluoridated as well

then i suppose that im a pow

hell how long should i make the exercise of the other thread to awake a calcified organ

Kurfurst__
12-30-2007, 06:34 AM
OPE

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2007, 07:35 AM
While I was deep in my flu, I decided to have some carribean Rum in an attenpt to chase it away. Well, that was a bad mistake and in my delirium, I began to have weird thoughts like Raaidd, especially when I was in bed (and on the toilet) unable to sleep... I`m sure I saw lights at weird odd times and even heard voices. Of course, these lights were no doubt optical effects bought on by my flu and the sounds by the heightened senses detecting the blood rushing through my ears, but it sure sometimes sounded like speech and singing...

Even some interesting stuff for artwork (weird stuff), but it`s scary, since it makes you feel like you`re going to fall into a very deep hole very soon.

Fortunately the RUM-flu effects went away.

That`s my RAAIID appreciation society bit done.

BSS_Goat
12-30-2007, 08:09 AM
SeaFire: The same thing happened to me once, but I think it was something I ate....like a handfull of mushrooms.

raaaid
12-30-2007, 08:17 AM
haha im the 1st to admitt im crazy but hey even paranoids have enemies

i mean you dont believe fluorine was used on pows?

i posted about the usnavy swastica shaped building and later it even appeared on cnn its days are counted

probably no relation at all but who knows

thats probably why most people like me they know my intentions are good and dont you believe if the system can dumb us down wont they do it, i intend to fight this

Monterey13
12-30-2007, 09:48 AM
I have a well. It's fed by natural springs. No fluorine for me, except in my toothpaste. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Airmail109
12-30-2007, 10:08 AM
"That`s my RAAIID appreciation society bit done."

Raaid are you on facebook? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
12-30-2007, 11:17 AM
I have a calcified organ, but it's become handy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-30-2007, 11:20 AM
How often do you see the sun raaaid? Seriously.

Blottogg
12-30-2007, 11:38 AM
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

knightflyte
12-30-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Blottogg:
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.



I was waiting for the obvious..... LOL Thanks for not dissappointing me. LOL. In a sickly wierd way I love that movie.

R_Target
12-30-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
even paranoids have enemies

More than most.

stansdds
12-30-2007, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=8...&messageID=800007763 (http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800000240&messageID=800007763)

i mean even mineral water has it, theres no way not to have it
Raaaid, turn off your computer, go outside and get a life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

raaaid
12-30-2007, 01:15 PM
i bet i have more social life than many but i dont dare to tell this to my friends

but hey wasnt strangelove shot by kubrick, the same guy who faked the moon landings in exchange for the lens to shoot barry lindon with natural light?

they made the stereotype of the loony talking fluorine on this movie

but the fact is fluorine before 45 was a rat poison and it attacks specially the pineal gland where accordin descartes was the plaace of the soul

evil evil

DuxCorvan
12-30-2007, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
even paranoids have enemies
More than most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And they are awake while you are sleeping... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


it attacks specially the pineal gland where accordin descartes was the plaace of the soul

Fortunately, according to Averroes, the place (palace?) of the soul lies in the left testicle.

Messaschnitzel
12-30-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:

but hey wasnt strangelove shot by kubrick, the same guy who faked the moon landings in exchange for the lens to shoot barry lindon with natural light?

they made the stereotype of the loony talking fluorine on this movie

but the fact is fluorine before 45 was a rat poison and it attacks specially the pineal gland where accordin descartes was the plaace of the soul

evil evil

Here is a link to a documentary pertaining to the study and subsequent experiments that went horribly awry when the scientists messed around with the pineal gland while brushing their teeth with fluoridated toothpaste.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091083/plotsummary

I don't know if Descartes was right about the pineal gland being the place of the soul, but I do know that he was a successful appliance inventor. Here is a period promotional advertisement illustrating him pimping his new pot bellied stove appliance.

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/939/678704.JPG

joeap
12-30-2007, 02:57 PM
Weirder and weirder. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

slipBall
12-30-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:


i mean even mineral water has it, theres no way not to have it


There is a way...put in a well! that's what my family has, and drinks...well water http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2007, 04:29 PM
Well, I was thinking the other day, how is it that as much as everyone (or most people) hate adverts and some have tried to prevent adverts selling to children have never managed to successfully limit them or bann the adverts.

Also, why is there no user control of adverts?

Think about it, we have all this digital control HDTV technology that now let`s us watch a multiple of everything backwards/forwards/sideways yet we can`t access our controls to blank live adverts or maybe replace them with a pretty screensaver. Unless we switch the TV off, we must sit through the advert`s allotted time.

One would have thought a simple `advert custom-control button` would be part of any remote...

But no.

Why is this? It can`t be that it`s possible that certain parties in high positions are making it as hard as possible to ignore adverts easily? And in fact making them longer and even louder?


Must be my flu-rum effect still kicking here somewhere... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Think I`m turning into RAAAIIID.... noooooo.

Airmail109
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
1995 Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol 17, No.2,p.169-177, "Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride in Rats", Meullenix, et al, 1995, reveals that fluorides are cumulative in the brain , humans are exposed to plasma fluoride levels as high as those given to rats , fluorides interrupt normal brain development in babies and children , and fluorides affect the hippocampus, the "central processor" in the brain which integrates inputs from the environment, memory, and motivational stimuli to produce behavioral decisions and modify memory. This firmly establishes that mass fluoridation affects the behavior of society, in that it undermines the capacity for people to make decisions and become motivated to act against abnormal environments (such as that present in tyranny).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
1995 Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol 17, No.2,p.169-177, "Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride in Rats", Meullenix, et al, 1995, reveals that fluorides are cumulative in the brain , humans are exposed to plasma fluoride levels as high as those given to rats , fluorides interrupt normal brain development in babies and children , and fluorides affect the hippocampus, the "central processor" in the brain which integrates inputs from the environment, memory, and motivational stimuli to produce behavioral decisions and modify memory. This firmly establishes that mass fluoridation affects the behavior of society, in that it undermines the capacity for people to make decisions and become motivated to act against abnormal environments (such as that present in tyranny).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

That explains Britain then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Good thing I`m not affected cos If I was, I`d do something about it.

Now where`s that cup of tea?

Airmail109
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
1995 Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol 17, No.2,p.169-177, "Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride in Rats", Meullenix, et al, 1995, reveals that fluorides are cumulative in the brain , humans are exposed to plasma fluoride levels as high as those given to rats , fluorides interrupt normal brain development in babies and children , and fluorides affect the hippocampus, the "central processor" in the brain which integrates inputs from the environment, memory, and motivational stimuli to produce behavioral decisions and modify memory. This firmly establishes that mass fluoridation affects the behavior of society, in that it undermines the capacity for people to make decisions and become motivated to act against abnormal environments (such as that present in tyranny).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

That explains Britain then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Good thing I`m not affected cos If I was, I`d do something about it.

Now where`s that cup of tea? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

mmmmm I don't know what to think of it. Most of the population are adults right? Surely they can be trusted to clean their teeth. So whats the point.

God I hate politicians even more every day.

joeap
12-30-2007, 06:22 PM
Come on, is that a real article Aimail? Why would the authors throw in a political statement?? How high concentrations are we talking here?

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2007, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:


mmmmm I don't know what to think of it. Most of the population are adults right? Surely they can be trusted to clean their teeth. So whats the point.

God I hate politicians even more every day.

When I first heard about it I never thought twice about it, now hearing what fluoride can do harmfully is sligtly worrying... and yet, it`s Britain that has a free national health policy. It also followed a period after the war when the British government and people were looking to a better, less-selfish world.

So is it so unbelievable that Britain has put fluoride in all its water because it simply cared at the time?

Then again, I and my parents had no trouble brushing our own teeth, although I met some people in Devon (where the fluoride didn`t reach) and some had black teeth...

And it does make me think.

Nah, we had the Miner`s strike and poll tax riots one of which kicked out Mrs. Thatcher so it can`t be that effective if that`s what its meant to do. Nah, with enough push, we jump and kick butt.

Y` see this is where conspiracy theories can get ya! paranoid!

Airmail109
12-30-2007, 06:31 PM
Its been linked to loads of other problems as well. Bone cancer in teenagers, and even osteoporosis.

As a libertarian I just find it digusting, people should be given the right to make their own choice about their health. If you dont want good teeth then fine, dont brush but that shouldnt impede on those that do look after their teeth and consequently dont need fluoride.

Consequences and responsibility.

Like drugs. They should be perfectly legal (except for life in prison for selling to minors) and if you get addicted then thats your own damn fault. You lose. I shouldnt have to pay for the rehabillitation of an addicted moron.

Badsight-
12-30-2007, 07:11 PM
if you have a doubt about Flourine . . . . . . go watch the guy who puts it into the water supply


rubber suit

rubber gloves

face mask

.


he knows the dangers

Heavy_Weather
12-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
if you have a doubt about Flourine . . . . . . go watch the guy who puts it into the water supply


rubber suit

rubber gloves

face mask

.


he knows the dangers


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

M_Gunz
12-30-2007, 07:39 PM
You want to worry about a bunch of maybe over nothing when you should be worried about LEAD
from cheap canned goods. One Clown posts BS and you champion that even though ON THE SAME
PAGE another sites the studies and significance of those.

Pick one or more that applies to you Raaaid: you are a troll, you are crazy, you are stupid.

Go look up the effects of lead upon brains, esp young and developing ones and you will see the
complete list of ills attributed to being brought up wrong today including but not limited to
attention deficit and violent tendencies.

It was lead that destroyed old Rome more than anything else. For every ton of gold, silver
and copper there are many tons of lead produced and loads of canneries worldwide to use it.
See how many food cans you open that are totally plastic lined and sealed. Go ahead, if you
can't bother then it's maybe too late already -- but you can always blame something else.

Heavy_Weather
12-30-2007, 07:42 PM
http://sprword.com/videos/fluoride/

DuxCorvan
12-31-2007, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
if you have a doubt about Flourine . . . . . . go watch the guy who puts it into the water supply


rubber suit

rubber gloves

face mask

.


he knows the dangers

In Spain the guy carries a cap and a T-shirt. He also usually pis$es and snots in the water when he's done.


Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Pick one or more that applies to you Raaaid: you are a troll, you are crazy, you are stupid.

Pick one or more that applies to you Gunz: you are rude...

Well, you are rude.

BTW, bad canned food led the Franklin expedition to disaster, because of lead intoxication. John Torrington (beware, spooky) (http://www.luthi1.freeserve.co.uk/images/torrington1.jpg) agrees. But that was in the 19th century.

Today tins are not sealed with lead, and canneries are mostly copper.

joeap
12-31-2007, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Its been linked to loads of other problems as well. Bone cancer in teenagers, and even osteoporosis.

As a libertarian I just find it digusting, people should be given the right to make their own choice about their health. If you dont want good teeth then fine, dont brush but that shouldnt impede on those that do look after their teeth and consequently dont need fluoride.

Consequences and responsibility.

Like drugs. They should be perfectly legal (except for life in prison for selling to minors) and if you get addicted then thats your own damn fault. You lose. I shouldnt have to pay for the rehabillitation of an addicted moron.

Thanks for partly answering my question.

MEGILE
12-31-2007, 05:04 AM
Plastics, radio signals, murcury in Fish... how do we survive? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

raaaid
12-31-2007, 05:29 AM
at least gasoline doesnt have lead now thanks to people complaining like me, just by this effortless thread i might have done something good

once i saw a very odd documental might be even an hallucination

chicken is an expensive meat so they put another meats instead and with a product reduce the genetic pair of proteins from millions to just one pair, so its imposible to detect the origin of the meat

and only god knows what cocacola does to you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

M_Gunz
12-31-2007, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Pick one or more that applies to you Gunz: you are rude...

Well, you are rude.

I have rude words for people that do bad things while playing at being polite.


Today tins are not sealed with lead, and canneries are mostly copper.

Right, things have changed totally in less than 30 years, uhhh-huh. I have YET to open a can
of food and see copper in the seal. Yeah, hey guys let's use expensive as H copper when we
could be using cheaper by far plastic which is what some canneries actually do!

OTOH we can just move our factories to places where the regulations are lax and do business
as usual, aka anything for a buck, until the regulations get changed back.

End of the 70's a study was made of lead in canned food, IIRC out of CalTech that showed the
regulation methods of testing for lead were contaminated at the levels that do hurt people
biologically which is FAR LESS than government standards THEN and NOW. The standards stand
at levels shown to be quickly toxic, not long term (lead is cumulative over lifetime) nor
damaging but not life-threatening. The study was not acted upon. Since about 1980 we have
slid terribly in the US and since the mid-80's we have exported whole factories to get around
our own regulations though I use WE in the loosest sense there -- it's a minority backed by
a lot of fools following a carrot on a stick.

Try to understand that I can't be nice about what are really terrible things going on.
Being nice leads people to act like nothing is so terrible at all, just leave well enough alone.

Oh yeah, there IS NO GLOBAL WARMING and inflation due to government spending is not a tax,
and it's all Clinton's fault, do you feel better living under lies like those?

M_Gunz
12-31-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
at least gasoline doesnt have lead now thanks to people complaining like me, just by this effortless thread i might have done something good

It was not due to ungrounded complaints but rather due to solid studies and diligent efforts
of many people that got the point across about the effects of lead in the air on inner city
kids. Very solid studies.

Raaid, if the flouride is supposed to pacify people then it sure ain't working here!
That should be all it takes for anyone to know better but you guys prove different.

Airmail109
12-31-2007, 11:47 AM
Joep, stop being a smart ***

http://www.feingold.org/Research/fluoride.html

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C627523.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis

Messaschnitzel
12-31-2007, 01:05 PM
Due to the universal use in the past of lead in products, there will always be a certain amount of lead and other hazards, such as asbestos and benzene that the current population will be exposed to.

Two examples of this that I have personally seen. One, was the Shell Building in San Francisco, CA. Our machine shop received hundreds of brass window pulls from said building that had to be modified. These pulls had multiple coats of paint on them, so I put them in solvent for a couple of days. Nothing happened. On closer inspection, the handles had a worn off top coat of varnish with nothing but an accumulated thick coating of lead on the brass remaining. This was in 1990. the building was built in the late 1920's I believe, and there is no telling how many people were exposed to this.

Another was only a few years ago, when the contractor whom I work part time for got a bid for a residential job. This job required that we remove an existing large barn type building next to the residence that I believe was built about 1915. After removing the barn, we started to prepare the ground so we could pour the foundation for a new building. We dug down a bit and found that there was a lead water pipe that had to have existed at the time of the original building's construction. This pipe was old school because the section joints were packed with lead wool to seal it, instead of soldered. Evidently, the various owners through the years had replaced the pipe at the front and back of the building, but never bothered with the 30' or 40' length under the building itself. The present owners of the house had lived there for 11-12 years at that time, and were really freaked out about it because they had children.

Heck, I used to play with solid lead soldiers that were painted with lead when I was a child.

My IQ's still 70 and hasn't declined since I was a child. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

joeap
01-01-2008, 12:17 PM
You know that was a nasty thing to say, I was not being a smartass! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I quote you below:


Originally posted by Aimail101:
1995 Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol 17, No.2,p.169-177, "Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride in Rats", Meullenix, et al, 1995, reveals that fluorides are cumulative in the brain , humans are exposed to plasma fluoride levels as high as those given to rats , fluorides interrupt normal brain development in babies and children , and fluorides affect the hippocampus, the "central processor" in the brain which integrates inputs from the environment, memory, and motivational stimuli to produce behavioral decisions and modify memory. This firmly establishes that mass fluoridation affects the behavior of society, in that it undermines the capacity for people to make decisions and become motivated to act against abnormal environments (such as that present in tyranny).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

These are the links you posted, and thank you very much btw.

Meta link page (http://www.feingold.org/Research/fluoride.html)

This is the article you mentioned and I thought you quoted from below:

Neurotoxicity of Sodium Flouride in rats (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7760776)

the abstract


"Fluoride (F) is known to affect mineralizing tissues, but effects upon the developing brain have not been previously considered. ... Fluoride exposures caused sex- and dose-specific behavioral deficits with a common pattern. ... the severity of the effect on behavior increased directly with plasma F levels and F concentrations in specific brain regions. Such association is important considering that plasma levels in this rat model ... are similar to those reported in humans exposed to high levels of fluoride."

Same on both pages. Worrying, hell yes.

Nothing to do with what you wrote however, I though it came from the article...unless it actually came from the full text version which is only available to subscribers in wich case I apologise...it's just that scientific writing is usually dry and does not make such extrapolations like "making a population docile to accept tyranny."

I am really sorry I offended you, it's just I am very much a stickler for proper sources in history and I understand it is even more important in science. I mean look at the article just above it:


19. Investigation of the possible associations between fluorosis, fluoride exposure, and childhood behavior problems. Morgan L, Allred E, Tavares M, Bellinger D, Needleman H, Pediatr Dent 1998 Jul-Aug;20(4):244-52

Harvard School of Dental Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.

CONCLUSION: Although there was no association between the fluoride exposures in aggregate and fluorosis, there was a significant association between supplemental fluoride exposure from ages 0-3 years and fluorosis . There was no association between behavior problems and dental fluorosis in this population.


So the message I get is...not sure better err on the side of safety. I don't see any conspiracies or any reason to get rude.

I hope you had a great New Year's party with Mother Nature's fermented gifts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Airmail109
01-01-2008, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
You know that was a nasty thing to say, I was not being a smartass! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I quote you below:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
1995 Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol 17, No.2,p.169-177, "Neurotoxicity of Sodium Fluoride in Rats", Meullenix, et al, 1995, reveals that fluorides are cumulative in the brain , humans are exposed to plasma fluoride levels as high as those given to rats , fluorides interrupt normal brain development in babies and children , and fluorides affect the hippocampus, the "central processor" in the brain which integrates inputs from the environment, memory, and motivational stimuli to produce behavioral decisions and modify memory. This firmly establishes that mass fluoridation affects the behavior of society, in that it undermines the capacity for people to make decisions and become motivated to act against abnormal environments (such as that present in tyranny).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

These are the links you posted, and thank you very much btw.

Meta link page (http://www.feingold.org/Research/fluoride.html)

This is the article you mentioned and I thought you quoted from below:

Neurotoxicity of Sodium Flouride in rats (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7760776)

the abstract


"Fluoride (F) is known to affect mineralizing tissues, but effects upon the developing brain have not been previously considered. ... Fluoride exposures caused sex- and dose-specific behavioral deficits with a common pattern. ... the severity of the effect on behavior increased directly with plasma F levels and F concentrations in specific brain regions. Such association is important considering that plasma levels in this rat model ... are similar to those reported in humans exposed to high levels of fluoride."

Same on both pages. Worrying, hell yes.

Nothing to do with what you wrote however, I though it came from the article...unless it actually came from the full text version which is only available to subscribers in wich case I apologise...it's just that scientific writing is usually dry and does not make such extrapolations like "making a population docile to accept tyranny."

I am really sorry I offended you, it's just I am very much a stickler for proper sources in history and I understand it is even more important in science. I mean look at the article just above it:


19. Investigation of the possible associations between fluorosis, fluoride exposure, and childhood behavior problems. Morgan L, Allred E, Tavares M, Bellinger D, Needleman H, Pediatr Dent 1998 Jul-Aug;20(4):244-52

Harvard School of Dental Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.

CONCLUSION: Although there was no association between the fluoride exposures in aggregate and fluorosis, there was a significant association between supplemental fluoride exposure from ages 0-3 years and fluorosis . There was no association between behavior problems and dental fluorosis in this population.


So the message I get is...not sure better err on the side of safety. I don't see any conspiracies or any reason to get rude.

I hope you had a great New Year's party with Mother Nature's fermented gifts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry mate your post got lost in translation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Rofl at your last comment! Thx http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

M_Gunz
01-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Oh great, the "new" form of flouride only makes things worse.
And that's been known for over 10 years.
But "we really need to get the EPA off industry's back" so the budget got cut.

I'm so sorry. My best friend's grandson got lead poisoned from paint in his first years, he's
a total mess at under 10. Can't even follow cartoons on TV. I asked when the lawsuit was and
they told me the government protects landlords from such. I still can't accept that.

What kind of world has anything for a buck given us? If you aren't safe it's not merely because
poor people are lazy as many political emails would have me believe and vote accordingly.

IMO if there is a Satan then these are the kinds of things he does through his true followers.

huggy87
01-02-2008, 09:34 AM
And everytime you get a flu shot you are also injecting yourself with a mercury like compound. They put thimerasol into flu and other vaccines as a preservative.

Sergio_101
01-02-2008, 10:10 AM
I am on a private well, no Flouride.
Besides, the fluoride used is rarely Sodium fluoride!
It's Stannous fluoride, a Tin compound.

Raaaid score big on the gullable AGAIN.

Wrong fluoride compound!

Both fluoride compounds are no longer used in drinking water anywhere.
hexafluorosilicic acid has replaced them.

fluoride compounds are poisonous in large concentrations.

LMAO!

By the way, no fluroride in my water and I don't vote Communist (Democrat), I voted for Bush and would again if I could.

Sergio

Messaschnitzel
01-02-2008, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by huggy87:
And everytime you get a flu shot you are also injecting yourself with a mercury like compound. They put thimerasol into flu and other vaccines as a preservative.

How many people here on the forum remember yourselves or your parents using tincture of Merthiolate for all sorts of cuts and scrapes? I remember one of the nicknames for it was "monkey blood", because of the Iodine that was added to the stuff.

M_Gunz
01-02-2008, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
I am on a private well, no Flouride.
Besides, the fluoride used is rarely Sodium fluoride!
It's Stannous fluoride, a Tin compound.

That's the one that makes things worse. The NaF that does not has been cut out.
Most used is a silicone-flouride compound according to the neuro prof at Dartmouth.


Raaaid score big on the gullable AGAIN.

HIS source was shakey, later sources are not so.


Wrong fluoride compound!

Both fluoride compounds are no longer used in drinking water anywhere.
hexafluorosilicic acid has replaced them.

Which is the one quoted as responsible for increasing the rate of heavy metal transfer into
body cells. Funny how you get as far as "but the compounds are different" and then stop
without finding out what the difference is, that point being the "hooray for my side" point
and no farther.


fluoride compounds are poisonous in large concentrations.

LMAO!

Ga hehehe! Oh giggles, the silicone-flouride facilitates the transfer of lead INTO human
cells! What a hoot, huh? Positively comedic!


By the way, no fluroride in my water and I don't vote Communist (Democrat), I voted for Bush and would again if I could.

Sergio[/QUOTE]

M_Gunz
01-02-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
And everytime you get a flu shot you are also injecting yourself with a mercury like compound. They put thimerasol into flu and other vaccines as a preservative.

How many people here on the forum remember yourselves or your parents using tincture of Merthiolate for all sorts of cuts and scrapes? I remember one of the nicknames for it was "monkey blood", because of the Iodine that was added to the stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When did tiny amounts of iodine which occurs naturally in some foods and without which human
bodies get sick become evil? Have you ever heard of GOITER? In areas deficient in iodine
it's good practice to eat with Iodized Salt to prevent that and other problems.

Mercury OTOH is like lead. Best good news I picked up in reading from links here is that
lead, etc, are picked up in hair which means the body can and does get rid of some of the
poison.

Messaschnitzel
01-02-2008, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
When did tiny amounts of iodine which occurs naturally in some foods and without which human
bodies get sick become evil? Have you ever heard of GOITER? In areas deficient in iodine
it's good practice to eat with Iodized Salt to prevent that and other problems.

You misread my intent. The reason that I mentioned the Iodine was in referral to the "monkey blood". To Wit: the brown color of the Iodine looks like dried blood.

I also use Iodized salt, thus preventing my neck having to ride shotgun with me when I drive. I think the leaning over sideways would eventually lead to sore side muscles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

huggy87
01-02-2008, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
And everytime you get a flu shot you are also injecting yourself with a mercury like compound. They put thimerasol into flu and other vaccines as a preservative.

How many people here on the forum remember yourselves or your parents using tincture of Merthiolate for all sorts of cuts and scrapes? I remember one of the nicknames for it was "monkey blood", because of the Iodine that was added to the stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When did tiny amounts of iodine which occurs naturally in some foods and without which human
bodies get sick become evil? Have you ever heard of GOITER? In areas deficient in iodine
it's good practice to eat with Iodized Salt to prevent that and other problems.

Mercury OTOH is like lead. Best good news I picked up in reading from links here is that
lead, etc, are picked up in hair which means the body can and does get rid of some of the </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Although, a lot of people have trouble processing all of these heavy metals. Most of us do OK, others are more succeptible to heavy metal poisoning. Kids nowadays get 20+ vaccines, usually loaded with the ****.

M_Gunz
01-02-2008, 03:19 PM
Heavy metals in even microgram amounts are bad for people and esp developing people, the
younger the worse. What gets absorbed mostly stays for life.

That's why I don't eat tuna. They eat the small fish that come out from streams, many of which
have mercury from the old-old practice of coating fresh sawmill boards with mercury to keep the
silverfish and other bugs out. Before shipping the mercury was washed into the streams since
that was easy and the world is so big it would never make any difference, common sense back then.

Yes other fish also eat the little ones that have the tiny amounts but where a salmon gets a few
years accumulation the tuna being canned get 20-30 years old.

Depending on where you live the water you drink even from wells varies. If you've never heard of
Love's Canal or the other superfund sites then read up, tons of bad news has been buried all over
and you only have to be on the same aquifer to get your unfair share. There's such a place in
Delaware where most of the state is the one aquifer.

Other goodies never cleaned up -- electrified train tracks running out of Philadelphia since
the early 20's, and I dunno what other cities.... the transformer oil at the power stations
is/was PCB oils and needed changing regularly. What did they do with the old oil? Dumped it
along the tracks to kill the weeds and save paying to cut them down! The cancer rate in the
block or so next to those tracks in my old neighborhood among people who gardened is very high.
One friend's step-dad put his garden in his sister's back yard about 20 feet away and in about
5 years the step-dad, his sister and my friend's mom were all terminal. Lucky for my friend
he hated the step-goon (the guy was a a-hole from go) and wouldn't eat his food, he had moved
out years before.

Industrial practice to save money, during a rainstorm you might see a tank truck leaking from
behind. It -used- to be that every gallon of waste had to be accounted for but that was before
the EPA became a bad word and the budget was cut severely. Yes sir, what's good for business
must be good for us all.

Sleep tight folks.

M_Gunz
01-02-2008, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by huggy87:
Although, a lot of people have trouble processing all of these heavy metals. Most of us do OK,

Where do you come up with that?

DuxCorvan
01-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Years ago -and still today some criminal winers do it- lead acetate was used to sweeten sour wines. Man, wine consumers were completely poisoned after years of moderate daily drinking. They say that Beethoven got deaf -and probably died- because of that. His deafness is more commonly associated to otosclerosis, a chronic illness, but his death may well be due to lead poisoning.
Beethoven's hearing trumpets:
http://www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/trumpets.jpg

Badsight-
01-02-2008, 04:07 PM
i love how the cold war mentality was so ingrained that it survives today in the militaristic mindset - to those that have it its all pervading & helps these individuals with identity

Originally posted by Sergio_101:
I don't vote Communist (Democrat)

Sergio

regarding flouride , we have reigons in NZ that do & reigons that dont

the reigons that dont have the same teeth decay rates

flouride is a naturally occuring poison . in high dose you die in minutes , horribly

Messaschnitzel
01-02-2008, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Years ago -and still today some criminal winers do it- lead acetate was used to sweeten sour wines. Man, wine consumers were completely poisoned after years of moderate daily drinking.

Don't forget that wine bottle cork/necks used to be covered by thin lead sheeting. I believe that aluminum is now used instead.

I guess that present day wine drinkers feel relieved as the lead acetate spiked wine washes past their mercury amalgam fillings. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Product adulteration by unscrupulous Absynthe manufacturers a long time ago gave it a bad reputation that lasts to this day.

huggy87
01-02-2008, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
Although, a lot of people have trouble processing all of these heavy metals. Most of us do OK,

Where do you come up with that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the same family or group those with same exposure levels will have differing degrees of reaction. "My kids had the vaccines and they are doing fine". That is often said, but what about the 1 in 150 kids who have a severe reaction to the same vaccine.

M_Gunz
01-03-2008, 12:50 PM
Alright Huggy, I'm just very unhappy with any idea that makes it seem as if lead is okay for
people or that people's bodies just pass the stuff off. Sentences like that get repeated and
magnified.

Who knows how much lead the kids who have problems with the vaccines already had before then?
Really other ways should be found than using lead at all. Government allowed levels are based
on doses to make one immediately sick the same as with radiation, very primitive but friendly
to users and polluters.

StellarRat
01-03-2008, 01:27 PM
Floride poisoning is a big problem in China where homes are heated and cooking done with poorly vented coal burning stoves. Unlike the random spectulation for many of the posts this not a could be:

http://www.ehponline.org/members/1998/106p239-244ando/ando-full.html

http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/HEM/hem/China%20Stoves/Pres...aanxi_report_Eng.pdf (http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/HEM/hem/China%20Stoves/Presentations/13_PRC_Huo_Yufu/Distribution%20of%20Fluoride%20Poisoning%20from%20 Coal%20Use%20in%20Shaanxi_report_Eng.pdf)

huggy87
01-03-2008, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Alright Huggy, I'm just very unhappy with any idea that makes it seem as if lead is okay for
people or that people's bodies just pass the stuff off. Sentences like that get repeated and
magnified.

Who knows how much lead the kids who have problems with the vaccines already had before then?
Really other ways should be found than using lead at all. Government allowed levels are based
on doses to make one immediately sick the same as with radiation, very primitive but friendly
to users and polluters.

Lead isn't good for anyone, of course, but some do better at coping with metal exposure than others. As you know, we get metals from many different sources and vaccines are just a massive dose, too much for some.

Believe me, I know, as we are starting to chelate our 3 year old (today).

I enjoyed your anecdotes. Makes you wonder how much of what we are ignorantly doing today will be a massive problem for our great grandkids.

M_Gunz
01-03-2008, 04:01 PM
That's why I yell, it's very important.

Was it Blake who said that the triumph of evil only requires that good men do nothing?

Messaschnitzel
01-03-2008, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by huggy87:

Makes you wonder how much of what we are ignorantly doing today will be a massive problem for our great grandkids.


I think that it has already been happening since the dawn of civilization. As technology progresses, there are always problems that can go with the benefits. (There was an earlier thread about this.)

I wonder about our ancestor's earlier exposure to harmful and possibly harmful products such as radioluminescent paint used in various timepieces could have a cumulatively undesirable health effect and be unknowingly passed on to a future generation. I remember people dusting the heck out of plants and such with DDT until there was a big cloud of the stuff hanging in the air, and then end up breathing at least some of it.

People could consider the possibility that since there are no problems from immediate or long term exposure, that they must be okay. What sometimes isn't considered is that their offspring might be affected, even though they might not be conceived until years later.

One example back in the 1970's is that my sister in law was contacted about the possibility that she might have a health problem due to the fact that her mother took some sort of drug during her pregnancy 24 years earlier. Women in the past were also not actively discouraged not to stop smoking during their pregnancies.

The list of examples could go on, but it does indeed make you wonder whether if some of the problems that we and our children are having are due to factors other than immediate exposure to harmful substances.

On a lighter note, there is evidence that the highly successful mystery meat product SPAM, has some unexpected side effects.

When consumed, it causes ordinarily unused parts of the human brain to become hyperactive, thus boosting genius level creativity for a short time. Unfortunately, the side effect is that the product suppresses the part of the brain that controls the gag and regurgitation reflex, so that the individual who consumed it will return at a later time to consume more.

'Scuse me, could you please pass me some more Velveeta cheeeze, pleeeze? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

georgeo76
01-03-2008, 06:03 PM
War was too important to be left to the generals. When [Clemenceau] said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Ob.Emann
01-03-2008, 07:04 PM
I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.


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AKA_TAGERT
01-03-2008, 07:24 PM
I wish my truck got the millage this lame ot is getting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

AlGroover
01-04-2008, 02:29 AM
Hilarious. Haven't read a good fluoride story in years. One of the better ones went something like this. Fluoride is an ubertoxic byproduct of sinister industrial processes and the only environmentally responsible disposal procedure is to sequester it in the teeth of the population.

raaaid
01-04-2008, 06:26 AM
On a lighter note, there is evidence that the highly successful mystery meat product SPAM, has some unexpected side effects.

When consumed, it causes ordinarily unused parts of the human brain to become hyperactive, thus boosting genius level creativity for a short time. Unfortunately, the side effect is that the product suppresses the part of the brain that controls the gag and regurgitation reflex, so that the individual who consumed it will return at a later time to consume more


haha i think i should open a blog or become a writter

Messaschnitzel
01-04-2008, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:

haha i think i should open a blog or become a writter

You might look into compiling a list of known products and substances that stimulate the latent development of the pineal gland, which you say might be linked to the "Third Eye".

You then might be able to come up with a proven method to hypnotize people using the power of the pineal gland.

Look out girls, here comes raaaid! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that you have a vivid imagination, and come up with some interestingly weird stuff sometimes. I think that if you are able to take some creative writing classes, you might find a way to express yourself and your ideas. If the actual scientific approach fails, try combining it with fiction the way the author Michael Crichton does.

Raaaid, I think that with some schooling, you CAN be a writer. If Shirley Maclaine could write a successful book like "Out on a Limb", YOU certainly can. Who knows, a few years from now, people might be reading your books.