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Airmail109
11-13-2006, 09:21 AM
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x52pro.htm

Quite nice, I might upgrade my x45 now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
11-13-2006, 09:28 AM
Hmm, looks like they have changed up a couple of things on that unit. I will be interested at seeing when that actually gets released.

I have had my X52 for over two years now, and its still going strong, but I do like some of the features they are talking about in there. Improved cable managment in particular sounds intersting, as well as the ability to adjust the color and light intensity of the button backlights. My current X-52 blue lights are either BRIGHT or barely there in intensity.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Airmail109
11-13-2006, 09:41 AM
Apparently, the spring system is better, less play etc as well.

"non-contact technology on X and Y axes and constant spring force reduce free play, improve control and increase durability"

Ill buy one when its out and review it. I need a new joystick anyway!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
11-13-2006, 09:43 AM
I noticed that as well, as well as the comment on "non-contact" parts. Guess we will have to wait and see, but I am getting the impression that this is going to be noticably more expensive than the X52.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Airmail109
11-13-2006, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I noticed that as well, as well as the comment on "non-contact" parts. Guess we will have to wait and see, but I am getting the impression that this is going to be noticably more expensive than the X52.

40 quid more. Will retail here for 120 pounds.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Viper2005_
11-13-2006, 10:10 AM
Just buy a Cougar. You know you want to. I suggest the FSSB R2 mod, but the R1 is meant to be pretty good if you're not a fanatic like me...

ElAurens
11-13-2006, 11:06 AM
CH...

Be sure.

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JG52Uther
11-13-2006, 11:14 AM
40 quid more. Will retail here for 120 pounds
You can get a CH Fighterstick for 100 in the UK.I think I would be more tempted by that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
11-13-2006, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Apparently, the spring system is better, less play etc as well.

"non-contact technology on X and Y axes and constant spring force reduce free play, improve control and increase durability"

Ill buy one when its out and review it. I need a new joystick anyway!

The new spring system looks interesting and should improve the feel of the stick.

The non-contact technology on X and Y axes was used on the original X52 but its setup was poorly done which could easily and did cause bigger deadzones on one side of the axis than the other.

The original X52 had deadzone issues which I hope they address in the X52 Pro. But if you mention the deadzone on their official forum, they stick their head in the sand, so I'm not holding much hope for improvement on this issue.

Cougar joystick = great software
very nice throttle
very clunky gimbals, ok for jet and bomber pilots
very costly to make usefull for precise shooting

Ch joystick = good software
well made but has clunky gimbals for slightly less precise shooting
haven't tried the thottle

Saitek X52 = good software with limitless possible actions
decent throttle
smooth gimbals
can have a unremoveable deadzone which make precise shooting impossible {atleast on the two I've used.)

MS Sidewinder = good but limited software
no seperate throttle but can be used with Cougar, Ch, or Saitek throttle
very smooth gimbals with no deadzone for very precise shooting
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VMF-214_HaVoK
11-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Everyone always refers to the CH products. Sure they are great but they do cost money. I have owned an X-52 for over a year now and have been delighted with it. Its a great bang for buck deal. I run it in conjunction with a set of CH Pro pedals.

You can pick up an X-52 and now Saitek pedals for less then the 3 CH controllers. I suppose if boils down to how much money you have and/or willing to spend.

The X-52 Pro looks great, I just wish they had a trade in program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Capt.LoneRanger
11-13-2006, 12:28 PM
Is the FSSB R2 mod for the Cougar still being produced? How much is it now?

@Chivas
You should add some more infos for the sticks:
Cougar:
- 15lb springs and short movement range
- manufacturing problems with dogfight switch being unmoveable or/and wrong angle
-/+ very good software but very complex to use even with easier settings
+ no warrantly loss if modded

CH-HOTAS
- feels cheap
-/+ extremely complex software but very easy for common use
+ throttle optimized for on-desk-operation
+ best and most durable mechanics on the market (mine is 9 years old - centers perfect)
+ very precise by long movement ways - especially for fighters



The new information about the X52Pro really sounds promising - maybe after all they realized they need better stick-mechanics to reach the Flight-Sim-Enthousiast.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
11-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Capt.LoneRanger..they are still producing gimbal mods for the Cougar but are very expensive (400-500$)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Capt.LoneRanger
11-13-2006, 02:23 PM
Ah, okay, thanks Chivas. That was the price I had in mind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I had replaced my springs with something similar to the evenstrain mod. It worked quite good. After that, I modded the stick a bit longer, but now the springs are not strong enough.

Until the next version of IL2, you are in a big disadvantage anyway, with the slower input of the lengthened stick, but with 1946 on the horizon, I guess I'll fiddle around with it, again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
11-13-2006, 02:47 PM
I'm not a big fan of longer sticks unless the gimbals and deadzone are very precise. Any deadzone issues with a long stick will cause major stick stirring that will take twice as long to get the kill shot.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Capt.LoneRanger
11-13-2006, 03:28 PM
Depends. DeadZone and centering are different things. While centering is very low with my lengthened Cougar, the DeadZone is still zero. Even with everything set to 100, you can very smoothly control the aircraft, no wobble, no nothing - you can aim very precisely, as you have a lot better control of how much input you actually give.

Only downside of this mod is the pure fact, that shorter sticks are more nimble. Hope this will turn upside down with the addon.

The only really bad things about the Cougar is the paint, which I almost completely peeled off, at least on the grip and the missing 64bit support. Drivers were promised for a long time, but still not even an update. Wheels and other hardware from thrustmaster have allready been updated, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bandit.426Cdn
11-13-2006, 03:45 PM
I guess this is the wrong forum to enquire about this - the Saitek forum obviously would be more appropriate - but i wonder if the X52 'X-Wing edition', and the X52 Pro share the same plastic base castings dimensions? They apparently have some different switch gear built into the bases (ie toggle switches instead of the 'X-Wing edition' rockers on the joystick).. but i wonder if the basic dimensions are the same?

I built up my simpit around the 'X-Wing' models.. they work great, but if it comes to replacement, it'd be nice to know if the X52 Pro's would fit in their place.

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Chivas
11-13-2006, 09:08 PM
Looks to be the same dimensions and doubt they would change the size, just to make some improvements.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Prop_Strike
11-13-2006, 11:49 PM
I had a play around with an X-52 pro here in Australia at a Harvey Norman store.
It wasn't hooked up to a computer, just on the shelf.
Seems very good...spring felt nice when I moved the stick....and the fire buttons felt really good....I got a small surprise when I felt the cold metal..felt solid.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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YAKMAN1968
11-14-2006, 02:09 AM
Prop_Stirke I'm in Brisbane & I saw you were aswell on your website. What Hardley Normal store did you see it in? I was in the one on the mall a couple of weeks ago & couldn't see one.
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LT.INSTG8R
11-14-2006, 09:04 AM
I mean I love my X52, no doubt but to me that just looks like an X-52 in a tux, there are no real improvements here other than a fancier LCD screen(a la Logitech G15) and more lights<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Airmail109
11-14-2006, 11:12 AM
LT.Instg8r, it seems...if you read, that quite a few things have been redesigned, including the spring system.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-14-2006, 05:32 PM
Microsoft Sidewinder 2 FF is the best joystick ever made---I finally bought one from eBay this year after years of listening to its adherents. Use it and the CH throttle and pedals. Still supported by FSX. May it live forever, or until something better is made.

Copperhead310th
11-14-2006, 06:57 PM
ok here's my official Saitek rant, b*tch Gripe, P*ss n' moan ....whatever.

for years i used (and still do) the Logitec wingman extreme FFB stick. yeah yeah i know it's a cheapl made peace of jusnk not worth 1/2 the plastic they used to make it, but it fits my hand fairly well, and i love the button layout. every button is right where i want it.
So evenry one was always talking up the x-45. so i waited till the price came down, and got one. I was thrilled with the throttle and now can't fly with out it. but the stick it's self is horrid. it fi's my had like a tight shoe.
They've got that crapy pracy of plastic BAR in the dam way and i hate that dam thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

So out comes the drimmel tool and i chop the useless peace of junk off. but it still dont fit my hand right. Why? cause i have big strong man hands , not little sinsitive girly boy hands.

then the X-52 comes out. and again with that peace of useless plastic junk! i'd like the x-45/52 if it weren't for that DAM BAR!!!! and i cant cut it off.

So i'm using my trusty cheap WE 3D FFB till i can come up with a better alternative. Good thing i fugured out how to use the throttle with this stick. the x-45 just permantly sits on the floor collecting dust. and that's where it'll stay.
I was hoping in reading the title of this post that the bar would be gone on the x-52 PRO.

Bad enough i have to fly with these HUGE bars in the windsheild of my P-47D-10/22 & my 190's, but i'll be damed if i need them on my stick too!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
11-14-2006, 07:15 PM
i like that thay added a twist rudder controls. of course most prefer peddels but haveing the option for twist stick is great for people on tight budgets like my self. 100 bucks or so for a X52 then another 100 or so for peddels is to steep for me .<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Recon_609IAP
11-14-2006, 07:29 PM
ch stick, ch pedal, x45 throttle.... I'm a very happy customer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I don't trust the saitek stick after using the x45 stick - it never felt right to me. I used a MSFFB stick for awhile, loved it - but the ch stick is perfect.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
11-14-2006, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
ch stick, ch pedal, x45 throttle.... I'm a very happy customer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I don't trust the saitek stick after using the x45 stick - it never felt right to me. I used a MSFFB stick for awhile, loved it - but the ch stick is perfect.

Oh i agree, the Ch stuff IS perfect. but too expinsive for a blue collar working man to afford. ( gee thanks you good for nothing top 10% loving fat cat republican slimballs in the [thank the good lord] outgoing congress and senate. take those sleezy democrats with you when you go.)

ok rant # hey it's been a loooong day and i'm tired and grouchy.

but i gota get a better set up and i can't aford the really high dollar stuff. So there are my options. an x-52 throttle and a cheap stick. i may splurge and get the peddels one day.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Prop_Strike
11-14-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by YAKMAN:
Prop_Stirke I'm in Brisbane & I saw you were aswell on your website. What Hardley Normal store did you see it in? I was in the one on the mall a couple of weeks ago & couldn't see one.
Thanks mate.

Sorry for the late reply YAKMAN.

It was Harvey Norman Aspley(North Side)...They had them sitting with the new Saitek rudder pedals(which they'd only had for 3 days).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Zoom2136
11-15-2006, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
i like that thay added a twist rudder controls. of course most prefer peddels but haveing the option for twist stick is great for people on tight budgets like my self. 100 bucks or so for a X52 then another 100 or so for peddels is to steep for me .

Twist rudder was always there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VFA-195 Snacky
11-15-2006, 10:28 AM
There are two types of serious simmers. Those that own CH and those that make excuses and wish they owned CH.

If you are serious about flight sims there is no other option but CH.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
11-15-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
There are two types of serious simmers. Those that own CH and those that make excuses and wish they owned CH.

If you are serious about flight sims there is no other option but CH.

Thats just nonsense. I have owned a wide range of gear, including CH. My last one lasted me for years before finally giving up the ghost.

I currently use an X52, and I have been quite happy with it, nor have I had any problems with it. I also have the new rudder pedals, and quite frankly they are better than the CH pedals.

If money is no object, the SERIOUS simmer would be using;

Modded Cougar stick
X52 throttle
Simped rudder pedals
A couple of Ergodex key panels

For the realitiy bound reminder of us, the Saitek stuff is just fine, and the new Pro looks like Saitek is taking a lot of the criticism they have had and improving the product.

CH has good products, and so does Saitek.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
11-15-2006, 02:19 PM
My best possible setup.

MSFF2 joystick [with or without forcefeedback... smooth, precise, and accurate
Cougar throttle [very solid feel with comfortable grip with all the buttons and rotaries in perfect position]
Saitek rudder pedals with toe brakes

In the closet. Cougar joystick (to expensive to fix)
CH joystick [well made but gimbals to clunky for my taste]
X52 joystick and throttle [deadzone to big for quick accurate shooting] X52 Throttle has poor grip with ill placed rotaries and buttons but a good backup if Cougar throttle fails
Simped pedals[good backup]<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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gdfo
11-15-2006, 02:35 PM
On the X-52 Pro it looks like the only dif is on the throttle area and there are no more sliders and wheels than on the reg X-52. Aside from the spring what is the real difference.

For those of you that are using an X-52 Throttle, and a different j stick, how did you edit the config. When I look at one link that every one refers to I still get confused.

I have an older MS sidewinder that I would like to try instead of the x-52 stick.

rnzoli
11-15-2006, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
There are two types of serious simmers. Those that own CH and those that make excuses and wish they owned CH.

If you are serious about flight sims there is no other option but CH.

Nah, no way, sorry. If you are REALLY REALLY serious about flight sims, you go a long way more and build your own controllers/cockpit.

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josephs1959
11-15-2006, 03:04 PM
Just when I think I'm Done, they pull me back in! Oh well I have the X-52 and there's nothing wrong with it. I'll buy the new one for back up.although It still looks spaceship like only the colored lights have changed.

Chivas
11-15-2006, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by gdfo:
On the X-52 Pro it looks like the only dif is on the throttle area and there are no more sliders and wheels than on the reg X-52. Aside from the spring what is the real difference.

For those of you that are using an X-52 Throttle, and a different j stick, how did you edit the config. When I look at one link that every one refers to I still get confused.

I have an older MS sidewinder that I would like to try instead of the x-52 stick.

The config will show up to 4 controllers(ID0,ID1,ID2,ID3) you will know which is which by the ID given in the Hotas Control section. Unfortunately Windows XP assigns the order. If your lucky your joystick will be ID0 and can be adjusted in the ingame settings or you will have to do it manually in the config-ini. There are joystick utilities that do a very nice job. More info and probably more accurate info can be found at airwarfare.com<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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accpps
11-15-2006, 11:15 PM
They should do something useful like add a third rotary.

josephs1959
11-16-2006, 06:25 AM
Wholeheartly agreed accpps! More buttons!

YAKMAN1968
11-17-2006, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Prop_Strike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YAKMAN:
Prop_Stirke I'm in Brisbane & I saw you were aswell on your website. What Hardley Normal store did you see it in? I was in the one on the mall a couple of weeks ago & couldn't see one.
Thanks mate.

Sorry for the late reply YAKMAN.

It was Harvey Norman Aspley(North Side)...They had them sitting with the new Saitek rudder pedals(which they'd only had for 3 days). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm at keperra so I'll have to head over & take a look. Any idea on the price?

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LT.INSTG8R
11-22-2006, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
LT.Instg8r, it seems...if you read, that quite a few things have been redesigned, including the spring system.

Actually if you read the Product descriptions on them both you will find them to be indentical regarding that "redesign"<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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