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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:10 AM
This is rather hillarious, i am not going to mention names...i`m sure you know who you are /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But this is what it boiles down to according to recent Luftwhines...

FM back in 1.0 was MORE realistic and there were less bias in the game then now...1.11 is pure arcade, all LW hosed and this game is total crap!! Now, where the hell is LOMAC?

OMG! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On the serious note, let us see:

FB 1.0 and what is fixed in 1.11

1) 105% throttle bug, overheating DID NOT exist.. similar to turning it off in difficulty settings... 1.11 Fixed with exeption of couple of planes.

2) LA`s, Yaks, Hurries, RATa`s climb like UFO`s... never stall, never bleed energy, never overheat, never fall apart... 1.11 Fixed, they stall, they bleed, they fall apart at much lower speeds.

3) Most of Soviet AC requires between 10 to 15 MK108 rounds
to even start smoking.. Fixed, dealiest weapon in the game.

4) German MG and german 20mm did nothing... Fixed

5) FW190 was a plane of very few pilots, look, now everyone is flying it. I`ll tell ya more, It`s unfrigging touchable!

6) Doras, fixed, fantastic birds!

I can go on and on... Am i making any sence? Is LW still suffering?? Please don`t make me laugh. I think some major steps were taking to improve game for LW. But that just my opinion, not like it means anything.

Needless to say that there are always uber planes in the game, and this time both sides have them....How biased is that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bottom line... ack...does it really matter /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Flame away... just don`t challenge me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:10 AM
This is rather hillarious, i am not going to mention names...i`m sure you know who you are /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But this is what it boiles down to according to recent Luftwhines...

FM back in 1.0 was MORE realistic and there were less bias in the game then now...1.11 is pure arcade, all LW hosed and this game is total crap!! Now, where the hell is LOMAC?

OMG! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On the serious note, let us see:

FB 1.0 and what is fixed in 1.11

1) 105% throttle bug, overheating DID NOT exist.. similar to turning it off in difficulty settings... 1.11 Fixed with exeption of couple of planes.

2) LA`s, Yaks, Hurries, RATa`s climb like UFO`s... never stall, never bleed energy, never overheat, never fall apart... 1.11 Fixed, they stall, they bleed, they fall apart at much lower speeds.

3) Most of Soviet AC requires between 10 to 15 MK108 rounds
to even start smoking.. Fixed, dealiest weapon in the game.

4) German MG and german 20mm did nothing... Fixed

5) FW190 was a plane of very few pilots, look, now everyone is flying it. I`ll tell ya more, It`s unfrigging touchable!

6) Doras, fixed, fantastic birds!

I can go on and on... Am i making any sence? Is LW still suffering?? Please don`t make me laugh. I think some major steps were taking to improve game for LW. But that just my opinion, not like it means anything.

Needless to say that there are always uber planes in the game, and this time both sides have them....How biased is that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bottom line... ack...does it really matter /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Flame away... just don`t challenge me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif





Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:43 AM
(effects Sommerset accent) I recognise that, that's logic that is. We don't like yur type round here..no place for logic here.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:01 AM
Exactly.

I mentioned this in an earlier ORR thread.

As of 1.11:

I-153, Hurricane, I-16 - totally outclassed by the late-war set now.

Mk108 - utterly deadly.

Me-262 - untouchable.

Try and find me even 1/20th the number of posts congratulating Oleg for the above changes, vs whining at him for undocumented and unspecified new greivances.

Oleg obviously has a great deal of faith in the goodness of man, I would've started swinging at people long, long ago.

Thanks for giving this a mention CrazyIvan.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:05 AM
1.1b has been the most successful version dropped out from the FM randomizing machine. I'm not saying it was good, but best of FB's Flight models.

None of them compares to first versions of IL-2, though.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:52 AM
Kannaksen_hanu wrote:
- 1.1b has been the most successful version dropped
- out from the FM randomizing machine. I'm not saying
- it was good, but best of FB's Flight models.
-
- None of them compares to first versions of IL-2,
- though.
-
-

Uhm... I actually think we´re closer to IL2 FM now which is good. But again FMs & opinions regarding them is a very subjective thing so I won´t claim to possess divine truth.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:53 PM
There are some issues to be sure but oiverall IMO the 1.11 FMs are the best so far. Everyone will never be pleased and there will allways be someone who thinks they know more than Oleg & 1C...or anybody else in here for thatr matter but5 the bottom line is .....this is still the best WW2 sim out bar none. Those who whine and holler so loud can either A) Fly another sim. B)Wait and see if some of their issues will be addressed in a future patch. C)Learn to fly thier planes under the FMs they have....which can be done..as bad as 1.0 was I know several folks who flew the 190s, 109s and P-47s quite well with deadly effect on those unfortunate to come under thier guns...... That is it. Thier ars o many "experts" here. Me...I will just go with the flow and trust 1C.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:28 PM
CrazyIvan, you MUST be crazy to post something like that here!!!

As a mostly Allied pilot who loves to fly Axis when given the opportunity, I'd ask for six things:


1. Make the p39 more like the p39 in Il2

2. Improve the p40 roll rate

3. Decrease the 190 roll rate

4. Increase the (auto) climb rate for the 109's - use the 109G2 as an example.

5. Decrease the distance in which bullets cause damage, make is such that you must be close to inflict enough damage to (1) destroy an engine, or (2) destroy control cables. I don't like getting hit from 800m away and losing my entire control system.

6. Increase the damage from 8 .50's on the p47

How is that?

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:04 PM
Over-all I would agree with Recon,but would add that the turn-rates and climb-rates of the La's and Yaks that have been tested and shown to be much better than the specs,should also be tuned more correctly.

I don't think this version is a pos,but it still needs a little work.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:49 PM
I have to agree with you on this one, Bearcat. All these so called "experts" seem to have forgotten the whole point of a computer game....and thats to have fun. But then, maybe they have fun by whining, where as I have fun by being able to just fly. As a real life pilot, I thoroughly enjoy the chance to smack someone around and get blown out of the sky, and then respawn and do it again! Personally I think this IL-2 sim is a blast, and I truly appreciate the efforts of those who are responsible for making it. I can imagine how frustrating it is for the afore mentioned to see all this complaining that's so evident in the forums. There is one positive thing to say about whiners....they make GREAT targets!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:54 PM
Your so full of it, if you were honest youd be able to say that vvs is biased compared to lw AC.

Especialy the Gun modelings there is a huge disparigy.


1.1b is a much better patch 1.0 was junk & so is 1.11 !!!





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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:57 PM
Cheers mate!


crazyivan1970 wrote:
- This is rather hillarious, i am not going to mention
- names...i`m sure you know who you are /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:00 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:

Bump & agree!


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:02 PM
Awe... the 1.0 Hurri's where really overmodelled! flying ballerina's with the DM of a T34 tank!!

Great for Noob's yes but, it was always spoiling the game a bit. Getting shot down in your BF-109K4 by a little hawker that was made early in- or, before the war!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:20 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- CrazyIvan, you MUST be crazy to post something like
- that here!!!
-
- As a mostly Allied pilot who loves to fly Axis when
- given the opportunity, I'd ask for six things:
-
-
- 1. Make the p39 more like the p39 in Il2
-
- 2. Improve the p40 roll rate
-
- 3. Decrease the 190 roll rate
-
- 4. Increase the (auto) climb rate for the 109's -
- use the 109G2 as an example.
-
- 5. Decrease the distance in which bullets cause
- damage, make is such that you must be close to
- inflict enough damage to (1) destroy an engine, or
- (2) destroy control cables. I don't like getting
- hit from 800m away and losing my entire control
- system.
-
- 6. Increase the damage from 8 .50's on the p47
-
- How is that?
-
- call it 1.2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- S!
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-

Good list. I agree with what WalterMiddy said and would add that some DM issues are still there. For example, the P-47 engine seems to damage too easily AI gunners are still snipers at long range and some sound issues still need to be fixed.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:46 PM
you can even get correct (per RLM data) performance figures (speed and climb) for the supposedly 'porked' 109s!!! You just have to fly the planes in a way that was not true to life. That is an issue for some but its not the issue they're complaining about! lol.

I'd like someone to tell me exactly why they think the VVS is biased against LW and prove it to me. I think the balance is about right (a few issues but about right). No on second thoughts, I don't want that at all. I'd never hear the last of it. Forget I said that.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:03 PM
Good points Recon, i think there is something with Lagg3 that needs to be looked at.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:07 PM
My 2 cents as a 109 flyer. The original FB had so many blatant problems (UFO Hurricane, UFO I-16, UFO I-153,insane climbing E4, exploding P-40, totally porked P-47) how could anyone say that that any of the subsequent patches were worse. As far as the 109s are concerned I thought that they were at their most zippy in 1.1b. But was that close to correct? Can't say.

I'd say that overall I'm pretty satisfied with the 109s that I fly which are those variants from the E4 up to and including the G6a/s. I don't fly the later ones. I still get kills with them online. And ask anybody I fly with...I'm no great stick or shot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

Are there some VVS planes that might take a bit of toning down? Maybe. I'm just happy that at this point I can hit an I-16 or I-153 and cause damage. I'm also happy that I can actually outrun these planes now in my 109.

No Luftwhining from here.