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Steven190
10-25-2008, 07:47 AM
There is a new FW190D-9 from Flug Werke
It has a Jumo 213 engine,
Too bad that the cost is a little over my bank account

Look forward to seeing it fly, hope it goes to a good home who will fly it.

http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search


<span class="ev_code_GREEN">Edit try this link:
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=284030
Emailed it to myself to get it. T_O_A_D
</span>

Xiolablu3
10-25-2008, 09:05 AM
Link doesnt work for me mate?

JG52-6High
10-25-2008, 09:11 AM
http://www.flugwerk.de/diary.shtm

No Jumo 213, but an Allison V-1710.

One good reason to start gambling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Steven190
10-25-2008, 09:28 AM
See the direct link does not work

Scroll down to Warbirds, then Focke Wulf

I know that Flug Werkes does a Allison engine one, but the add says it is a Jumo. There was a rebuilt Jumo in Europe some time ago. Wonder if that was used

CUJO_1970
10-26-2008, 11:45 AM
http://images.barnstormers.com/tmp_images/df/47/scaled_df47_800x600_284030-Langnase.jpg

CUJO_1970
10-26-2008, 11:50 AM
http://www.flugwerk.de/fotos/071231/big/dia-Fw190D9atKissimmee3.JPG

DuckyFluff
10-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Is this a full scale replica or is a rebuilt original?? Looks very small to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

T_O_A_D
10-26-2008, 12:00 PM
Really nice, now to win the Lotto. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jaws2002
10-26-2008, 12:39 PM
Interesting how much more "blue" the colors look outside under the open sky compared to the hangar pic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

JZG_Thiem
10-26-2008, 12:39 PM
its full scale replica, with an Allison engine.
Like Kurt Tank back then, they took their 190A8, put a tail section in between the fuselage and the tail, and got the D9.

Jaws2002
10-26-2008, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by DuckyFluff:
Is this a full scale replica or is a rebuilt original?? Looks very small to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Is a full scale replica. Just look at the cheesy cockpit instruments. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

http://www.flugwerk.de/fotos/071231/big/dia-Cpt-internalsTom%20BlairsFw_20060822_0002_2_1.JPG

I'd keep my money for the one built at "White One Foundation" with original Jumo engine and JV44 paint. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

flyingloon
10-26-2008, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
its full scale replica, with an Allison engine.
Like Kurt Tank back then, they took their 190A8, put a tail section in between the fuselage and the tail, and got the D9.
from the link -
FW 190 D9 ORIGINAL ! " OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY " Original Fw 190 D9 "Langnase" ( longnose ) complete restoration of original airframe with Jumo 213 engine Nothing comes close to this one ! Mostly all systems are original, spare engine available. We are the world's leading experts when it comes to Fw 190's. We built 20 190's on our jigs and own all of the 970 stamping tools to manufacture each airframe part. Price € 3.5 Mio. No tire kickers please ! " Contact

Steven190
10-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Did you see who placed the add?

We all now that Flug Werkes built two Allison engined FW190D-9. One being in the USA.

The add was placed by Claus, from Flug Werkes.

This is why I posted the link.
This would be a great plane with the Jumo 213 and to be able to hear and see it would be the upmost pleasure.

Jaws2002
10-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by flyingloon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
its full scale replica, with an Allison engine.
Like Kurt Tank back then, they took their 190A8, put a tail section in between the fuselage and the tail, and got the D9.
from the link -
FW 190 D9 ORIGINAL ! " OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY " Original Fw 190 D9 "Langnase" ( longnose ) complete restoration of original airframe with Jumo 213 engine Nothing comes close to this one ! Mostly all systems are original, spare engine available. We are the world's leading experts when it comes to Fw 190's. We built 20 190's on our jigs and own all of the 970 stamping tools to manufacture each airframe part. Price € 3.5 Mio. No tire kickers please ! " Contact </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flugwerk makes replicas, not "Originals".
I doubt you'll find many parts on their 190's that fit on a real Foke Wulf.


http://www.white1foundation.org/ is the place where real 190's will come from. They have at least one Jumo-213 engine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/jumo213.jpg

...and make perfect 190 parts that will fit on historical machines.

Badsight-
10-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Yellow 13 has a Jumo

that runs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Jaws2002
10-26-2008, 08:42 PM
Yellow 13? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Do you mean Yellow10. The FW-190D13 from Seatle?

That's the only one I know that was restored to flying condition......But they won't risc flying it.

BobbyBrinks
10-26-2008, 08:57 PM
The Fw-190D13 from seattle...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01204.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01205.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01209.jpg

Jaws2002
10-26-2008, 09:26 PM
Yep. that one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/0622703.jpg

Freiwillige
10-26-2008, 11:19 PM
I have touched yellow 10 on many occasions when it was at the Chaplin fighter museum in Mesa Arizona. It was a beautifull museum that had "Yellow 10" the rarest FW-190 in the world. They also had a 109E with an original DB601 painted in the colors of JG2 during BOB. Here is the rest of the list from memmory since the place closed and the collection was sold around 2002.
P-51D
P-47C
F2G corsair (F4U with mad horsepower built to intercept Kamikazi by the goodyear corp)
Yak-3
P-38
P-40
Ki-43? Some Jap fighter, wasnt a zero or Oscar.
Spit IX
T-6
amd im sure that there were a few others.
That was just their WWII collection
they also had a good WWI and vietnam era collection.

D-13 was restored at Gosshawk aviation and sold for an ungodly ammount.

Buzzsaw-
10-27-2008, 01:19 AM
Salute

People may scoff at replicas, but in fact they are a lot safer to fly, and more people will get the opportunity to fly them, more often.

And if they crash, it it not an irreplaceable loss.

JG52-6High
10-27-2008, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flyingloon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
its full scale replica, with an Allison engine.
Like Kurt Tank back then, they took their 190A8, put a tail section in between the fuselage and the tail, and got the D9.
from the link -
FW 190 D9 ORIGINAL ! " OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY " Original Fw 190 D9 "Langnase" ( longnose ) complete restoration of original airframe with Jumo 213 engine Nothing comes close to this one ! Mostly all systems are original, spare engine available. We are the world's leading experts when it comes to Fw 190's. We built 20 190's on our jigs and own all of the 970 stamping tools to manufacture each airframe part. Price € 3.5 Mio. No tire kickers please ! " Contact </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flugwerk makes replicas, not "Originals".
I doubt you'll find many parts on their 190's that fit on a real Foke Wulf.


http://www.white1foundation.org/ is the place where real 190's will come from. They have at least one Jumo-213 engine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/jumo213.jpg

...and make perfect 190 parts that will fit on historical machines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That`s why the ad is strange; it`s supposedly from Claus Colling, the owner of FlugWerk, and as you said, so far they have only done replicas of 190`s. In the Ad he`s talking about a restored D-9. The pic he presents looks like the replica Black-12 they have..http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Btw, Yellow 10 looks great, but.. who did the research for the paint-job? The Fuselage-pattern is one thing, but camo on the wheel-covers.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Jex_TE
10-27-2008, 03:12 AM
No tire kickers please !


?? lol

Freiwillige
10-27-2008, 04:58 AM
Btw, Yellow 10 looks great, but.. who did the research for the paint-job? The Fuselage-pattern is one thing, but camo on the wheel-covers.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif[/QUOTE]

They did the original paint job exactly as it was when JG26 gruppe commander landed it in right into American custody (Because they over ran his airfeild while he was on mission) in may of 45'

Xiolablu3
10-27-2008, 05:06 AM
Many of these vintage warbirds have hardly and original piece left on them, as it would be corroded and dangerous to fly.

Quite often only a few panels or very few parts are actually from the original bird, and only the ID panel and a few other parts are 'original'.

Thats what I gather anyway, but I am ready to be put right if I am incorrect.

Badsight-
10-27-2008, 05:51 AM
you dont need to post while not knowing

Yellow 10 is Famous . the only D-13 to survive intact (even tho it was apart for decades)

plenty of sources to read about it on the net

ps , the paint was customised on the pilots orders during the war , & the current paint is as exact as they could research

JG52-6High
10-27-2008, 06:18 AM
m8, i`m here to learn, and my post was exactly about that..you trying to say "shut up if you wanna know something" ?
Rather strange...

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Xiolablu3
10-27-2008, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by JG52-6High:
m8, i`m here to learn, and my post was exactly about that..you trying to say "shut up if you wanna know something" ?
Rather strange...

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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Ignore the 'attitudes'...

Bremspropeller
10-27-2008, 08:02 AM
The Fuselage-pattern is one thing, but camo on the wheel-covers.. Sad Eyes

Historical.

JZG_Thiem
10-27-2008, 12:50 PM
What makes it highly ulikely that Flugwerk -or whoever for that matter- will be able to advertise a Jumo 213 plus a spare engine is:

1) where were those two engines supposed to be for th elast 60y. especially in a condition that they are operable still or be able to be repaired?
Extremely unlikely to me.

and more important

2) German companies will refuse to cooperate on WWII restauration projects. The general mindset is: we are not ignoring the past, but we dont want to be connected to it in any way.

Thats why you wont get any support from BMW, Daimler or whoever on maintaining/rebuilding those engines.

The 2 109s of the Messerschmitt Stiftung being an exception maybe. I actually do not exactly know how former Daimler is involved here.

Wildnoob
10-27-2008, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
Thats why you wont get any support from BMW, Daimler or whoever on maintaining/rebuilding those engines.

sorry for the off post, but I belive that Mitsubish have another mindset, isn't ?

I already hear that the only A6M flying with it's original engine today (an A6M-5) had suport from the company who produce or restored the engine.

althougth I can't confirm such informations.

Steven190
10-27-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
What makes it highly ulikely that Flugwerk -or whoever for that matter- will be able to advertise a Jumo 213 plus a spare engine is:

1) where were those two engines supposed to be for th elast 60y. especially in a condition that they are operable still or be able to be repaired?



Extremely unlikely to me.

and more important

2) German companies will refuse to cooperate on WWII restauration projects. The general mindset is: we are not ignoring the past, but we dont want to be connected to it in any way.

Thats why you wont get any support from BMW, Daimler or whoever on maintaining/rebuilding those engines.

The 2 109s of the Messerschmitt Stiftung being an exception maybe. I actually do not exactly know how former Daimler is involved here.

Here is a company MotoBende which rebuilds Jumo 213 engines.

http://www.motobende.de/

They even addvertise the FW190D-9 Dora, which they did a 213 for.

Bremspropeller
10-27-2008, 08:34 PM
sorry for the off post, but I belive that Mitsubish have another mindset, isn't ?

That's because Japan does not really give much of a feck about it's responsibility for the war.
In contrast to Germany.

German firms would rather put the Nazi-time behind them and that's the reason why they don't offer support.

Badsight-
10-27-2008, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Ignore the 'attitudes'...
what "attitudes" ?

weak dude . weak

WTE_Galway
10-27-2008, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:

1) where were those two engines supposed to be for th elast 60y. especially in a condition that they are operable still or be able to be repaired?



On the same lost submarine circling the Bermuda Triangle as Amelia Earhart and several mint condition me262's. It is also rumored to have picked up Elvis Presley and Jim Morrison of the Doors at certain points on its 60 year voyage and has a locker full of photo's of an odd Alien spacecraft taken at Roswell that were alledly used to build teh SR71.

PanzerAce2.0
10-27-2008, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:


1) where were those two engines supposed to be for th elast 60y. especially in a condition that they are operable still or be able to be repaired?
Extremely unlikely to me.

It really depends on how they were stored. If, say, they were dipped into cosmoline in 1945, if you cleaned the cosmo off today, they would be in like new condition (or however they went in). On the other hand, if they sat outside for all 60 years, then they *might* be worth the scrap value of the metal. Obviously, they could also be at the point that they just need new pistons/conrods and everything else just cleaned up, which wouldn't be *that* hard.

Freiwillige
10-28-2008, 03:20 AM
Take the example of the 190 that belly landed ina feild in Russia due to engine failure. Soon tree's grew up around it and it wasnt rediscovered until the late 90's. It sat out in the open for 5 decades but upon dissasembly they found the motor to be in rather good shape and quite rebuildable!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jueDXiuU6aM

Bo_Nidle
10-28-2008, 05:35 AM
Amazing find. Did the pilot get out?

Vacillator
10-28-2008, 05:54 AM
According to this, he did survive (but was in for a hard time of it):

http://www.rlm-aviation.co.uk/video/fw190a5.php