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RedDwarf18
11-25-2006, 07:16 AM
Some intresting scenes of u-boat firing guns, torpedoes and loadin torpeodesWWI sea war (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8942514572672644131&hl=en)

RedDwarf18
11-25-2006, 07:16 AM
Some intresting scenes of u-boat firing guns, torpedoes and loadin torpeodesWWI sea war (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8942514572672644131&hl=en)

Celeon999
11-25-2006, 08:45 AM
Good find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
11-25-2006, 09:17 AM
Excellent find - great video http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
11-25-2006, 09:27 AM
*Celeon puts on his Pickelhaube*

Yez Yez ! I lihke ze jerman axzent of ze speakerz

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*Closes the torpedo hatch and puts his hand to the pressure lever"

Take zhis little prezent vrom zhe Kaiser http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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geosub1978
11-25-2006, 10:09 AM
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Realjambo
11-25-2006, 10:28 AM
Excellent! I'm only 5 minutes in and it's got me hooked! well posted!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bootsmann0815
11-25-2006, 12:42 PM
Very very nice pictures - the "re-enactment" of the Battle of Jutland had me in stitches http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Until the two "experts" chimed in and trotted out the typical sort of platitudes which serves as history lesson nowadays... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif (N.B. I'm sure they know better but the soundbite editing is horrible!) And I'm really unhappy about the one-sided treatment of the Lusitania incident, slowly but surely I'm getting tired of that "innocent American babies slaughtered" stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

O.k., the film was targeted at a wider audience, but I still cannot understand why they went to all that length digging out all the old footage and adding colour etc., but when it comes to scripting we are treated to soundbites of half-digested not-quite-knowledge mixed in with a hefty dose of "human interest" waffle. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!

GoldenEagle8
11-25-2006, 07:20 PM
GREAT FIND! i dont have time now, but I'll see it later!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Spinach Fer Britain (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2263301282676551422&q=Banned+cartoons&hl=en), Der Fuehrer's Face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDWF8hznHZs), Commando Duck (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFUQ7AgvgJU&mode=user&search=), Blitz Wolf (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5611353179314742028&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en), Russian Rhapsody (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3169202416829336789&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en), The Ducktators (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1633673673225697900&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en), The Spirit of '43 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2857278388843745235&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en), Tokio Jokio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvA1zphaeTQ)
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1.JaVA_Hornet
11-25-2006, 07:28 PM
When i look at GW

- gun damages a lot!
- sinking times are quick!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bockholt
11-26-2006, 03:29 PM
Maybe Kenneth Branagh did all ze Chermann voices, ja? (the only thing that was worse was the 'American' accent lamenting loss of the Lusitania.)

Then there was the expert who said that Admiral Beatty was using his ships the wrong way at Jutland. If only Admiral Beatty were still with us to give his opinion of Prof Baldie-Beardie!

But all the film was excellent, give or take the odd WW2 ship that managed to sneak in. Also, <span class="ev_code_PINK">why do they have to colour it in?</span> 'The First World War as it was really seen - in colour!' announces Branagh triumphantly. Big deal. Are we too thick to understand monochrome? (Not that colouring-in makes much difference when the sea, the ships & the sky are all grey anyway.)

And they might have said something on British submarine operations in the Dardanelles - oh yes, and about German u-boats in the Med...

'Nuff beef - thank you, RedDwarf, for that great link; it was certainly better than anything on the 16 channels on my TV tonight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

geosub1978
11-26-2006, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bockholt:
Maybe Kenneth Branagh did all ze Chermann voices, ja? (the only thing that was worse was the 'American' accent lamenting loss of the Lusitania.)

Then there was the expert who said that Admiral Beatty was using his ships the wrong way at Jutland. If only Admiral Beatty were still with us to give his opinion of Prof Baldie-Beardie!

But all the film was excellent, give or take the odd WW2 ship that managed to sneak in. Also, <span class="ev_code_PINK">why do they have to colour it in?</span> 'The First World War as it was really seen - in colour!' announces Branagh triumphantly. Big deal. Are we too thick to understand monochrome? (Not that colouring-in makes much difference when the sea, the ships & the sky are all grey anyway.)

And they might have said something on British submarine operations in the Dardanelles - oh yes, and about German u-boats in the Med...

'Nuff beef - thank you, RedDwarf, for that great link; it was certainly better than anything on the 16 channels on my TV tonight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bockholt excuse me for mispeling yor name some days ago!I personally dont disagree at all with this encoloured version! It is something that we dont see everyday and it seems to be representive!

One question: Why on earth the Lusitania was hit? Can you please get in the mind of the Kaleun and give an answere? And I dont refer to the humanitarian reasons. Couln't he just imagine the concequences of his act before he did this?His report does seem very convincing about the reasons...!

Bootsmann0815
11-26-2006, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geosub1978:

One question: Why on earth the Lusitania was hit? Can you please get in the mind of the Kaleun and give an answere? And I dont refer to the humanitarian reasons. Couln't he just imagine the concequences of his act before he did this?His report does seem very convincing about the reasons...! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What Schwieger saw was a Cunard Liner, and his ship recognition manual ("Weyer's Taschenbuch der Kriegsflotten") - correctly - listed it as an Auxiliary Warship. Legitimate target and a lot of tonnage.

It is not known whether Schwieger actually saw the American flag flown by the Lusitania. Probably not, but it would probably have made him even more determined: flying a false flag in a war zone is a war crime - then and now; justifies immediate engagement, no warning required.

Schwieger could not have known that the Lusitania was transporting war materials, but the German High Command suspected it, and therefore placed an advertisement in American papers right next to Cunard's "Notice of Sailing" that the ship might be attacked by U-boats. How could they possibly have blamed Schwieger afterwards?

However, the High Command, and the German political leadership can be blamed for falling into the trap laid by the British and Americans, deliberately using the passengers as "Human Shields" and staging a moral outcry afterwards.

Well, remember Saddam Hussein and his placing of Human Shields around his industrial/military facilities in the first Guldf War in 1991? Did that prevent the US Air Force pilots from attacking these installations? Couldn't the pilots just imagine the consequences of their acts (commonly known as "collateral damage")?
Or what about the Israelis in the recent Lebanon conflict? Couldn't they just imagine the consequences of Hezbollah deliberately hiding amongst densely populated civillian areas?

I say, the full responsibility lies with whoever uses civilians as "Human Shields"!

And if you want a moral outrage against a German Kaleun, blame Valentiner, not Schwieger. Valentiner himself used the false flag trick (flying the Austrian, not the German ensign) to attack Italian ships in the Med. Among his approx. 300,000 total tonnage there were at least two civillian liners, packed with civillians of a country with which Germany was not at war (i.e. Italians). Dan van der Vat, in his book "Stealth at Sea", describes Valentiner as "one of nature's Stormtroopers ahead of his time". But nobody talks about these incidents, all one hears is Lusitania, Lusitania, Lusitania... probably because there were virtually no American victims in the Med.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Use the vertical!

geosub1978
11-27-2006, 02:29 AM
It also seems to me that it was a bate, but easily taken by Schwieger also! Nevertheless, I am speaking on the consequences of this on the war effort of Germany.

As for the human shields, history has prooven that they are always used from those who cannot fight!Petty in any case and from every perspective!

Celeon999
11-27-2006, 03:23 AM
Well i think coloring it was a really good idea.


Black & white always gives you the impression that this happened soooooo long ago and out of this world.

But it isnt so long ago afterall.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GerritJ9
11-27-2006, 04:48 AM
For more background about the "Lusitania" see Colin Simpson's book "The Lusitania". Apart from carrying war material, she was also transporting Canadian troops disguised as civilians.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

The KNIL is dead. Long live the KNIL!

Bockholt
11-29-2006, 12:00 AM
We had a big Lusitania discussion a while back. She was carrying munitions - one reason she sank so quickly. Also, those liners had been fitted with deck guns (or at least stands for such guns), though Lusitania seems not to have had them in place at the time of the sinking. The German government even went so far as to publish warnings in US newspapers about the risk of travelling at sea at that time.

Anyone see Hitler's private conversation restored by the deaf lip-reader & his amazing computer on British Channel 5 last night?

Of course he only turned out to be saying things like 'Good morning' and 'Don't point that camera at me, Eva', but it was still quite interesting. Perhaps the best thing was the private talk the Finns had managed to bug when he was in a railway carriage with their Marshal Mannheim. Hitler talking in a quite respectful, reasoned way about the Russians!

This programme, however, did something worse than just colouring-in old footage (which they didn't have to do at all, as Hitler's home movies were already in colour). They interpolated grainy modern film of actors 'filling in' missing bits WITHOUT LABELLING IT "RECONSTRUCTION". The inevitable result of this is that one day, in the not-too distant future, some of the Reconstruction will be mistaken for - or deliberately & lyingly shown as - genuine footage from the 1940s.

Stupid, bad TV people! History is not a floorshow for our entertainment. If some of it is difficult to grasp, let's use our brains when we try to think about it.