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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:17 PM
Here two ideas, I'd love to hear from people who experimented with them (or anything along this line) or would like to:

- connect subwoofer output to a vibrating plate(commercially available so no need for rocket science here). The plate could then be attached to the desk or (better!) to a purpose made "cockpit" with some panels designed to vibrate as needed.

- trickier, but maybe worth an experiment: use the electrical signal that drives the motor in a FF joystick to drive an amplifier and connect that to the vibrating plate.

The joystick settings can now be set to minimum (hardly any vibration = no more accuracy loss) but one could make the desk or cockpit rattle.

Actually, isn't it "wrong" to feel the weapons' recoil in the joystick?, I think it would be much more realsitic to feel it through the "cockpit" frame, right?

Anybody interested in a "virtual team" to experiment with this?

S

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:17 PM
Here two ideas, I'd love to hear from people who experimented with them (or anything along this line) or would like to:

- connect subwoofer output to a vibrating plate(commercially available so no need for rocket science here). The plate could then be attached to the desk or (better!) to a purpose made "cockpit" with some panels designed to vibrate as needed.

- trickier, but maybe worth an experiment: use the electrical signal that drives the motor in a FF joystick to drive an amplifier and connect that to the vibrating plate.

The joystick settings can now be set to minimum (hardly any vibration = no more accuracy loss) but one could make the desk or cockpit rattle.

Actually, isn't it "wrong" to feel the weapons' recoil in the joystick?, I think it would be much more realsitic to feel it through the "cockpit" frame, right?

Anybody interested in a "virtual team" to experiment with this?

S

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 11:36 PM
HA HA HA... Too funny that I'm answering your second question with my awesome solution.

Odranoel2, a few months ago I ruined a joystick trying what you were suggesting. I took apart my stick and spliced the FFB servos, basically ruined my stick, and that was that.

THEN!!! Check this out - I took apart my Logitech powered subwoofer, spliced an extra wire off of the woofer, and closed the box back up.

I bought a lumbar support chair pad, opened it up, and inside mounted a 4" Kicker woofer on card, and put it inside the lumbar pad, clearing out a little of the foam to make it all work.

Then, I put a potentiometer (ie. volume knob) on both the subwoofer in the box, and the speaker in the lumbar pad. This way, I can turn up my sound system, and turn down the bass speaker, or turn down the chair, see what I mean?

Anyways, the result is that it's awesome! It's better with IL2 than FB because FB's sounds IMO suck arse. In FS2002/2004, it's excellent, as with CFS3! In FS, when I deploy flaps, up or down the throttle, and even upon touchdown, I get the vibrations that you'd expect (albeit a slightly lower magnitude) in real life.

Cost? ~ 50 bucks, excluding the joystick I broke on failed attempt #1 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't know why more people haven't tried this already. For me it's both ergonomically good, and also immersion enhancing.

S!



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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 09:28 PM
I think that they were experimenting with this on www naughty nymphs dot com.

But count me out - my hemorroids are killing me

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 09:31 PM
You can buy a cushion that plugs into your soundcard that rumbles.

I've got one. You can feel the bullet hits. Search for Aura Interactor.

They were retailing at 80 but now selling for 5 on ebay etc.

Sound is kinda porked though as the base sound plays through the cushion.

PS predict a string of juvenile comments http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mark h



Message Edited on 08/28/0308:34PM by markh

Hunter82
08-28-2003, 09:35 PM
Dex did you use a free air or solobarik ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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SergeVE
08-28-2003, 10:29 PM
You might be interested in this :
The "rock'n ride chair"

I found this site by accident a few days ago .

It is a chair plus screenholder that moves with the game .
The whole thing tilts in 2 axes as you move the stick : tilt left-right , and tilt backwards-forwards

Check out this site , it looks really cool

http://www.cybermind.nl/Rock'n'Ride/body_rock'n'ride.html

Kind regards
SergeVE

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 11:44 PM
Pure insanity! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Wonder if track IR coops though... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



SergeVE wrote:
- You might be interested in this :
- The "rock'n ride chair"
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- I found this site by accident a few days ago .
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- It is a chair plus screenholder that moves with the
- game .
- The whole thing tilts in 2 axes as you move the
- stick : tilt left-right , and tilt
- backwards-forwards
-
- Check out this site , it looks really cool
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- <a
- href="http://www.cybermind.nl/Rock'n'Ride/body_roc
- k'n'ride.html"
- target=_blank>http://www.cybermind.nl/Rock'n'Ride/
- body_rock'n'ride.html</a>
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- Kind regards
- SergeVE
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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 11:58 PM
The only problem with the "Rock'n'Ride" is that the people in the photos seem to be staring at 14" screens... Imagine hauling a 70 lbs 20" screen on that dinky rig...it'd tip over for sure...

As for the sound experimenting, I'm not too sure my neighbors would be too thrilled if I got more sound out of my rig... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:56 AM
Interesting ideas here! Dex I have a job offer for you as my personal "think ahead" advisor /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Your comment about sound quality in FB makes me scratch my head! Like everybody else, I do have all of the fade out bugs, but otherwise FB sounds as good as IL-2 (gorgeous), and even better when it comes to engine "thumping" at very low revs.
I have had to implement thoroughly the Audigy settings, but it worked well. What sort of issues do you have dex?

As to the Aura thing, I've read a lot about it and did find it on e-bay. The very low price makes me nervous, looks like people are getting rid of them in large numbers. Anybody knows why?

If it is the messed-up sound due to parasitic radiation from the device, I think I have a very easy fix: just as in a regular loudspeaker system:
add a low pass filter between the amplifier and speaker, or even better before the amplifier if it is dedicated. There are commercially available "subwoofer" filters in most car stereo shops... unless you build your own that is...

The only vibes we're interested in are in the 100 Hz and below region , and the subwoofer should completeley overshadow any emissions by a boxless driver in this region. Anything above 100 Hz should be filtered out upfront.

The rocking chair is interesting, but their web site is scary! Anybody tried this for real?

Mmm, rocking chair with vibrating side panels, three 19" LCDs on a Parhelia "2004", Track IR. We're getting somewhere!

Thanks to all, keep the think tank going!

Anybody knows about Parhelia enhancement roadmap? I hope they dont give up due to the beating they took from the press on the raw performance side...

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:05 AM
Serge, thank you (merci?)

I have taken a harder look. I find the idea terrific, but these guys must be out of business. The page dates back to 1999, and all of the links are broken.

Still - worth exploring. They have used an air compressor to power the device...

S

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:09 AM
saw a FFB headset the other day .. the mind boggles http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


of course its much cheaper to have your girlfriend sneak up on yuo snd shake your chair while shuoting "dacka dacka dacka" in your ear http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:29 AM
This is the first BAD idea in this thread. If my girlfriend did what you say, my wife would make me eat my joystick.

How about a force feedback forum?, with a horizontal cushion that kicks on demand, driven by the thread originator? Bad post = kick /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Dexmeister?

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 08:34 AM
With my Can-of-beans Feedback Food & my Heat-on-belly cushion, I get all the vibrations and loud bass sound I need for the immersion. You can even smell the fear... no one has entered my room for weeks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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