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mr_mekan
08-09-2006, 04:56 PM
I'm a great fan of Hitman games. And I wonder if there is any similarities could be found between theese two assassins. Both of them are kinda monipulated by some kind of secret organizations. While Altair is offered a paradise for his services, Agent 47 (is kinda secular guy who thinks thad God won't accept him anyway) is offered money instead. I can even say that Agent 47 is a modern version of Altair. I have other things to say, but I want to know your oppinions about it first. I thinks it is nice topic for discussion.

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Fates.Dark.Hand
08-09-2006, 05:45 PM
Well Mekan, first i see where your coming from, with the similarities buisness, I am also a HUGE fan of the Hitman Series and its one of the reasons i'm intrested in AC. However i can only see your point of veiw as 47 and Altair being connected as their are assassins, i'll explain

47 is a clone, Altair is not
47 kills violently, Altait does not
47 kills silently, Altar does not (Altiar kills his target in an audence and escapes while in sight)
47 cares about himself and his money only, Altiar does not
47 has a stylish suit, Altair has a stylish white cloak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You see, the only similarities they have are the fact they are both assassins, they both fight for different causes, and want totaly different things. While 47 will mow down anything in his way with an M4, Altair will head for the roof tops and escape. they both have different tatics for a kill, both have different personalitys and weapons. Yes i see where you are coming from, but all i can see is the fact they are assassins brings them in similaritie.

FableB
08-09-2006, 05:55 PM
They are both cowards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Lhorkan
08-09-2006, 05:57 PM
Yes, real men commit suicide.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-09-2006, 06:05 PM
Pardon my dullness here, but you are being sarcastic right?, i wouldnt call what Altair and 47 do for a living a "cowardly job"

Lhorkan
08-09-2006, 06:14 PM
When anyone puts a "http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif", the post is sarcastic.

And just so you know, I was sarcastic up there too.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-09-2006, 06:19 PM
Thought you were. I was just checking seeing as many people meen many many things on these forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RoganJosh2006
08-10-2006, 03:54 AM
Hey i thought Altair couldalso be quiet considering you plan the attacks but i've never played Hitman of which i want to. So can Agent 47 be out in public as well?

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-10-2006, 07:25 AM
Agent 47 always performs his hits in a public place, like in the Madi Gra in Hitman: Blood Money. buts its not in how many people you perform the hit in that counts its the way you perform them, in 47's case its all "accidental"

RoganJosh2006
08-10-2006, 08:19 AM
But i'm sure that Altair can be quiet when assasinating ...

entropy777
08-10-2006, 09:33 AM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">Altair is more talented, to quote Le³n...

</span><span class="ev_code_GREEN">"The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The knife for example, is that last thing you learn. Ok?"</span>

FableB
08-10-2006, 11:07 AM
I have a feeling that this thread will turn into Agent 47 vs. Altair thread...

Lizard000
08-10-2006, 12:36 PM
but 47 can also use a knife... so i wouldn't count that as a "more pro" thing... but Altair is more athletic, making him more talented there thoughhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Dr_Baltar
08-10-2006, 01:51 PM
I would say that Altair would be the more superior Assassin compared to 47, simply because Altair dose not have a sniper rifle, binoculars, hand guns, automatic weapons etc. Altair has a crossbow, a sword, his concealed blade and any other primitive weaponry compared to today€s arsenal. To talk about their similarities I would say that there isn€t that many, in-fact I€m having trouble thinking of one.

Oh yeah, I€m new to this forum so hi everybody.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-10-2006, 04:21 PM
Somthing tells me this is going to violently turn into 47 Vs Altiar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif. But seriosly, you can't compair them from the giant difference in themselfs and time difference.

knife_X
08-11-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Dr_Baltar:
I would say that Altair would be the more superior Assassin compared to 47, simply because Altair dose not have a sniper rifle, binoculars, hand guns, automatic weapons etc. Altair has a crossbow, a sword, his concealed blade and any other primitive weaponry compared to today€s arsenal. To talk about their similarities I would say that there isn€t that many, in-fact I€m having trouble thinking of one.

Oh yeah, I€m new to this forum so hi everybody.

Why do you think so? In H:BM I only maybe used 1 or 2 bullet in a mission most times none, and when I first used one it was the silverballer! I mean you should be able to do allmost any mission without firing a bullet it`s just the way you play! But comparing these two is kinda silly cause someone will allways think he is better or he is blah blah blah this!

FableB
08-11-2006, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
Somthing tells me this is going to violently turn into 47 Vs Altiar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif. But seriosly, you can't compair them from the giant difference in themselfs and time difference.

I will make sure you will be in a court for copyright violation! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-11-2006, 03:08 PM
lol oh sorry! i didnt see you posted that there. i think somthing will change your mind on the copyright violation *slips envalope of money to FableB* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Dr_Baltar
08-11-2006, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by knife_X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr_Baltar:
I would say that Altair would be the more superior Assassin compared to 47, simply because Altair dose not have a sniper rifle, binoculars, hand guns, automatic weapons etc. Altair has a crossbow, a sword, his concealed blade and any other primitive weaponry compared to today€s arsenal. To talk about their similarities I would say that there isn€t that many, in-fact I€m having trouble thinking of one.

Oh yeah, I€m new to this forum so hi everybody.

Why do you think so? In H:BM I only maybe used 1 or 2 bullet in a mission most times none, and when I first used one it was the silverballer! I mean you should be able to do allmost any mission without firing a bullet it`s just the way you play! But comparing these two is kinda silly cause someone will allways think he is better or he is blah blah blah this! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes of course you are right in saying you don't have to even fire bullets in H:BM, but it is there just in case things get out of hand. You say yourself that you use one or two bullets on occasions but still they probably help a lot more than a crossbow. Anyway I'm a huge fan of the Hitman game series; in fact it€s my favourite so far, but I€m just saying my opinion of who I favour the most. Agent 47 is a real cool character and I hope I haven€t said anything to show that I'm ill favoured of him.

FableB
08-12-2006, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
lol oh sorry! i didnt see you posted that there. i think somthing will change your mind on the copyright violation *slips envalope of money to FableB* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

No way! I'm an honorable man and bribery will not work on me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif But hey how much is that? WOW! 1000 dollars? hey you know what? **** the manners and honor!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Ok Back On Topic!

I too think that the differences between them outnumber the similarities in a weird way!

McBaklap
08-14-2006, 09:01 AM
I make a sport of it, in every Hitman to finish missions without ever firing a bullet and it's very possible so that's not a valid argument

Dr_Baltar
08-14-2006, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by c0sa_n0stra:
I make a sport of it, in every Hitman to finish missions without ever firing a bullet and it's very possible so that's not a valid argument
Yep, it sure is possible. That€s what keeps me going back to play the Hitman games. Valid argument or not, I still prefer Altair. I suppose things in the past interest me. Ancient warriors, myths, treasure its all cool stuff.

Red_Mercury901
08-17-2006, 10:54 AM
HA! FINALY FOUND MY PASSWORD!!!! That's the problem with too many passwords, now... I was busy agreeing. Crossbows and poisoned arrows (don't think they put that in the game though) UBER COOL!! yah!! poisoned stuff... cool! Oh, and the only similarties I found were that they were both Assassins and wore stylish outfits (a bit different though).

DarkCrawler90
08-17-2006, 12:13 PM
I only kill like 1-5 people on Hitman, and only if they are targets. Usually with fiber wire/neck snap. 47 is better in keeping it quiet (in more difficult spaces, guns, cameras etc.) whereas Altair is better in escaping and fighting. Both are the best assassins in their own timeline and situations. Give 47 a knife and try to get him assassinate a guy in middle of crowd, he'll get killed, and try give Altair nothing else but a fiber wire and try to get him to assassinate someone in middle of high-tech FBI prison with hundreds of cameras and guards with guns, machine guns targeted by computers and watchdogs, etc, he gets caught in half a minute.

As for who would win a fight...47 would obivous win with guns, Altair without. Although 47 happens to be a clone with heightened speed, strenght and stamina, so he might have a chance in unarmed fight.

Red_Mercury901
08-17-2006, 12:44 PM
You can't really compare the two like Darkcrawler said (or kinda said). They wouldn't fight each other 'cause the one would be dead/not yet cloned. Yep, the one wouldn't last long in the other's position (why am I repeating what DarkCrawler said?).

Marek86
08-17-2006, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
Well Mekan, first i see where your coming from, with the similarities buisness, I am also a HUGE fan of the Hitman Series and its one of the reasons i'm intrested in AC. However i can only see your point of veiw as 47 and Altair being connected as their are assassins, i'll explain

47 is a clone, Altair is not
47 kills violently, Altait does not
47 kills silently, Altar does not (Altiar kills his target in an audence and escapes while in sight)
47 cares about himself and his money only, Altiar does not
47 has a stylish suit, Altair has a stylish white cloak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You see, the only similarities they have are the fact they are both assassins, they both fight for different causes, and want totaly different things. While 47 will mow down anything in his way with an M4, Altair will head for the roof tops and escape. they both have different tatics for a kill, both have different personalitys and weapons. Yes i see where you are coming from, but all i can see is the fact they are assassins brings them in similaritie.

* lol killing is violent no matter what.
* Not completely true, that was just a trailer, it's not like you played the game, there will most likely be stealth missions where you are to not be noticed as well.
* We don't know that much about Altair yet, you shouldn't make so many assumptions so early on.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Marek86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
Well Mekan, first i see where your coming from, with the similarities buisness, I am also a HUGE fan of the Hitman Series and its one of the reasons i'm intrested in AC. However i can only see your point of veiw as 47 and Altair being connected as their are assassins, i'll explain

47 is a clone, Altair is not
47 kills violently, Altait does not
47 kills silently, Altar does not (Altiar kills his target in an audence and escapes while in sight)
47 cares about himself and his money only, Altiar does not
47 has a stylish suit, Altair has a stylish white cloak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You see, the only similarities they have are the fact they are both assassins, they both fight for different causes, and want totaly different things. While 47 will mow down anything in his way with an M4, Altair will head for the roof tops and escape. they both have different tatics for a kill, both have different personalitys and weapons. Yes i see where you are coming from, but all i can see is the fact they are assassins brings them in similaritie.

* lol killing is violent no matter what.
* Not completely true, that was just a trailer, it's not like you played the game, there will most likely be stealth missions where you are to not be noticed as well.
* We don't know that much about Altair yet, you shouldn't make so many assumptions so early on. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So does that mean you actualy think Altiar is a clone? With the infomation we already have (and thats very little) we all know Altair is not a clone. 47 is, and thats one difference...JUST ONE there are many difference, and i think there are more differences than simularities.

Marek86
08-17-2006, 06:08 PM
I didn't infer at all that Altair is a clone I was just indicating that you made some bad assumptions so early on. I wasn't really focusing on the hitman subject. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Jzrulz
08-28-2006, 01:45 PM
47 kicks *** example: 47=gun=bullet=altairs head=death OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-28-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Jzrulz:
47 kicks *** example: 47=gun=bullet=altairs head=death OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We arnt saying who could win in a fight, we are showing the simularities, it dosnt matter if 47 has a gun or not. its the simularities/differences we are talking about.

xasspenx
08-30-2006, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
Agent 47 always performs his hits in a public place, like in the Madi Gra in Hitman: Blood Money. buts its not in how many people you perform the hit in that counts its the way you perform them, in 47's case its all "accidental" no way man, i took them all out up close and personal. stangled the first dude with the briefcase in an ally alone. walked over to the dude's boss that i just killed and beat the **** out of his henchman at the top of the stairs and strangled the boss with the glasses. then i made my way into the Latin Buzz place and strangled the guy that was gonna assassinate the dude that u have to protect. then the chick sum how found out that her boyfriend was dead and started to shoot me in the middle of a crowded street around police and the police didnt do anything but just watch it and not protect me! so i dodged her bullets and ran into an ally way where i killed the dude with the briefcase and capped her in the head 2Xs and i got dressed into my suit and walked out with a hole in my back.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-30-2006, 12:45 PM
Your talking about the Madi-Gra level, Awsome choice may i add http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Each target can be killed Accidental, a falling piano kills one target http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and one guy you can poison, and the other guy you can push off a balconie (i wouldnt recomend it) but however you can do accidental kills, you just are choosing not to.

Just like Assassins Creed there will be many ways to kill your target, a running rampage might be one way, but again i wouldnt recomend it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jzrulz
08-31-2006, 06:25 PM
OK guys wats ur fav level on hitman bloodmoney and what is ur best rating on it. Mine is A New Life and my best rating is Sociopath (0 noise, full violence) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-31-2006, 07:06 PM
Every one of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but this is OFF TOPIC, so i'm not going to give a full reply...even tho i really want to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

DarK_PhoeniX_22
09-01-2006, 01:43 PM
@ Jzrulz:
in contracts,it was like that,i guess it's not different in bloodmoney
i didn't play enough of it

anyway

Full violence & full stealth gives u sociopath
Full violence,no stealth at all gives u psycopath

Full stealth gives u Silent Assassin,which i usually get in contracts

xasspenx
09-01-2006, 02:58 PM
i havnt beatn the game yet but my favorite level so far is Flat Line

Jzrulz
09-01-2006, 06:34 PM
Dark phoenix: ON bloodmoney you get rated for the amount of noise u make not how stealthy u are. Like a 0-10 noise rating and 0-10 violence rating So 0 noise 0 violence is silent assassin on bloodmoney. Look up ur facts before making a statement if u haven't played the game before. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

DarK_PhoeniX_22
09-02-2006, 01:55 PM
i only played the first 2 levelshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

i stated i was referring from contracts btwhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
which i finished 28 timeshttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

19 on silent assassinhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

drunkrepublican
09-02-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Jzrulz:
OK guys wats ur fav level on hitman bloodmoney and what is ur best rating on it. Mine is A New Life and my best rating is Sociopath (0 noise, full violence) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The Murder of Crows (New Orleans, Mardi Gras), Silent Assassin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

xasspenx
09-03-2006, 08:22 PM
one wat level of difficulty? if its on the second hardest then that is something to brag about.

drunkrepublican
09-03-2006, 08:55 PM
Not too hard. Syringe the guy in the red suit, go see Mark Purayah, kill him, take his walkie-talkie and stuff his body into a hiding place, then isolate and kill the other two.

xasspenx
09-04-2006, 09:44 AM
but how did u get ride of his body guard, that patrols the upstairs? i just took him out cause he was in the way of the dude with the radio.

drunkrepublican
09-04-2006, 03:35 PM
He walks in and out of the room frequently. If you're patient, and time it just right, you can get away with it.

xasspenx
09-04-2006, 05:10 PM
o0 i see. so u hid beside the door and waited for the guard to come out. once he did, u made a quick move and went through the door and shut it. thats easy. i felt like i was timed in that mission.

AssassinGamer32
12-07-2014, 08:09 PM
Ok so the two comperd in basic tirms
Agent47 And Altair are both assassin there both experts in hand to hand combat both know how to us knifes both can blend in with crowds both CAN be silent iv went through ac being silent most of the way untel u had to run away ok agent 47 dus have the uper hand on stealth game play but the assassins in assassins creed do like making there kills public
the reason is becous it sends a msg same as agent 47 but Ac does put the point acrost that "hay i can kill ppl in public" wich mean that they can killl any were same goes for agent 47 but hes the ghost that know one ever sees coming so yeah thats all i have but befor i go i just hafta say i love both of these games there awsome haha

SixKeys
12-07-2014, 08:13 PM
Holy necro thread, Batman.

ze_topazio
12-07-2014, 08:39 PM
Archeology