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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:16 PM
Information like this has been listed here before, but I haven't seen it for a long time. Just some information for new (or old) players who might have wondered why some weapons seem so ineffective and others so accurate and deadly. Note that this does not rate reliability, but then FB does not fully model gun jams.

Weapon Nation Ammunition RPM Muzzle Vel. Weight
Brown. 30 M2 USA 7.62 x 63 (9.9g) 1200 835 m/s 10.4 kg
Brown.303 UK 7.7 x 56R (11.3g) 1140 745 m/s 10.9 kg
Darne France 7.5 x 54 (9.6 g) 1700 790 m/s 8.4 kg
MG 17 Germany 7.92 x 57 (10.0g) 1100 790 m/s 12.5 kg
MG 81 Germany 7.92 x 57 (10.0g) 1500 730 m/s 6.3 kg
Breda Italy 7.7 x 56R (10.1 g) 800 712 m/s 12.5 kg
ShKAS Russia 7.62 x 54R (9.6 g) 1800 825 m/s 10.6 kg
Type89mod1 Japan 7.7 x 58SR (10.5 g) 750 750 m/s 9.0 kg
Type89mod2 Japan 7.7 x 58SR (10.5 g) 900 810 m/s 11.8kg
Type 98 Japan 7.92 x 57 (11.5 g) 1500 810 m/s 7.0 kg
Type 92 Japan 7.7 x 56R (11.3 g) 600 762 m/s 8.4 kg
Type 97 Japan 7.7 x 56R (11.3g) 1000 750 m/s 11.8 kg
Type 1 Japan 7.92 x 57 (11.5 g) 1000 790 m/s 6.8 kg

I don't have MG 15s used on Ju87Bs or He111s listed here, but it would presumably be a very poor performer in all categories except gun weight.

As you can see, the ShKAS (the incredibly accurate green lasers you see beaming from so many Soviet aircraft) really are among the best in ROF and velocity, which is what you want in a light machine gun. Its ammunition doesn't have much mass, but with a such a high velocity and ROF it's still deadly.

The MG 17 is one of the worst across the board, and inexplicably weighs the most. The MG 81 is a vast improvement in ROF, which is why the defensive armament on late Stukas, Bf 110Gs, and Ju88s are more potent. The velocity is low, however, which explains the scattered dispersion you see when firing the purple tracers from Stuka Ds and Gs. Remarkably, this gun weighs only 6.3 kg.

The Japanese guns will become relevant soon, although most of their light MGs are subpar. The Type 98, however, is a standout in all categories, on paper at least. In real life, Japanese MGs had a tendency to jam.

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:16 PM
Information like this has been listed here before, but I haven't seen it for a long time. Just some information for new (or old) players who might have wondered why some weapons seem so ineffective and others so accurate and deadly. Note that this does not rate reliability, but then FB does not fully model gun jams.

Weapon Nation Ammunition RPM Muzzle Vel. Weight
Brown. 30 M2 USA 7.62 x 63 (9.9g) 1200 835 m/s 10.4 kg
Brown.303 UK 7.7 x 56R (11.3g) 1140 745 m/s 10.9 kg
Darne France 7.5 x 54 (9.6 g) 1700 790 m/s 8.4 kg
MG 17 Germany 7.92 x 57 (10.0g) 1100 790 m/s 12.5 kg
MG 81 Germany 7.92 x 57 (10.0g) 1500 730 m/s 6.3 kg
Breda Italy 7.7 x 56R (10.1 g) 800 712 m/s 12.5 kg
ShKAS Russia 7.62 x 54R (9.6 g) 1800 825 m/s 10.6 kg
Type89mod1 Japan 7.7 x 58SR (10.5 g) 750 750 m/s 9.0 kg
Type89mod2 Japan 7.7 x 58SR (10.5 g) 900 810 m/s 11.8kg
Type 98 Japan 7.92 x 57 (11.5 g) 1500 810 m/s 7.0 kg
Type 92 Japan 7.7 x 56R (11.3 g) 600 762 m/s 8.4 kg
Type 97 Japan 7.7 x 56R (11.3g) 1000 750 m/s 11.8 kg
Type 1 Japan 7.92 x 57 (11.5 g) 1000 790 m/s 6.8 kg

I don't have MG 15s used on Ju87Bs or He111s listed here, but it would presumably be a very poor performer in all categories except gun weight.

As you can see, the ShKAS (the incredibly accurate green lasers you see beaming from so many Soviet aircraft) really are among the best in ROF and velocity, which is what you want in a light machine gun. Its ammunition doesn't have much mass, but with a such a high velocity and ROF it's still deadly.

The MG 17 is one of the worst across the board, and inexplicably weighs the most. The MG 81 is a vast improvement in ROF, which is why the defensive armament on late Stukas, Bf 110Gs, and Ju88s are more potent. The velocity is low, however, which explains the scattered dispersion you see when firing the purple tracers from Stuka Ds and Gs. Remarkably, this gun weighs only 6.3 kg.

The Japanese guns will become relevant soon, although most of their light MGs are subpar. The Type 98, however, is a standout in all categories, on paper at least. In real life, Japanese MGs had a tendency to jam.