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Airmail109
04-03-2008, 07:07 PM
What say you luftwhiners?

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-03-2008, 09:45 PM
aint no luftwhiner, but aint no g-suits modeled either

Col.BBQ
04-03-2008, 09:52 PM
wink, wink, nudge, nudge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

rnzoli
04-04-2008, 12:40 AM
AFAIK G-suits don't prevent blackouts, they only help the pilot actively working against the blackout, and as such, prevent early fatigue.

Since fatigue is not modelled in this game, I would say the situation is similar to every pilot wearing a G-suit, Allied, Axis both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Surely not a Luftwhiner as I mostly fly red, but you beat me to it: Is the angle of the seat in the Bf109 modeled, that made the pilot much less vulnerable to G-effects than e.g. in the Spit and Hurri? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BGs_Ricky
04-04-2008, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Surely not a Luftwhiner as I mostly fly red, but you beat me to it: Is the angle of the seat in the Bf109 modeled, that made the pilot much less vulnerable to G-effects than e.g. in the Spit and Hurri? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Actually I think it was in the 190 that the pilots sat in a semi-reclined position giving them better resistance to g's...

M_Gunz
04-04-2008, 02:53 AM
How effective were allied G-suits tested to be?
I'm sure there were tests so let's see bigger bait than just the word G-suits.

Airmail109
04-04-2008, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
AFAIK G-suits don't prevent blackouts, they only help the pilot actively working against the blackout, and as such, prevent early fatigue.

Since fatigue is not modelled in this game, I would say the situation is similar to every pilot wearing a G-suit, Allied, Axis both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A human's natural g-tolerance is increased by about 1.5 g by wearing well fitting "anti-g-trousers".

M_Gunz
04-04-2008, 03:42 AM
That's with the more modern gear at least, 60's and later. Is that true of WWII G-suits?

Oh wait, the modern suits can take a strong and ready pilot up to 9 G's for a while where
without it's more like 6 so that's + 3, and you are saying + 1.5 so that is about those
WWII pants right?

Lt_Letum
04-04-2008, 03:49 AM
There should be almost no G-effects in the Lerche...

stathem
04-04-2008, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
That's with the more modern gear at least, 60's and later. Is that true of WWII G-suits?

Oh wait, the modern suits can take a strong and ready pilot up to 9 G's for a while where
without it's more like 6 so that's + 3, and you are saying + 1.5 so that is about those
WWII pants right?

It's interesting that the very latest design of (European) G-suit reverts to the technique of the 'Frank' suit (first used by the RN in Operation Torch) in using liquid filled bladders, where the lighter and more comfortable compressed air filled bladders as used in the American 'Berger' type suit during the war has held sway since the war, especially since the advent of jets meant a large excess of compressed air availabilty in an aircraft.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-04-2008, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by BGs_Ricky:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Surely not a Luftwhiner as I mostly fly red, but you beat me to it: Is the angle of the seat in the Bf109 modeled, that made the pilot much less vulnerable to G-effects than e.g. in the Spit and Hurri? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Actually I think it was in the 190 that the pilots sat in a semi-reclined position giving them better resistance to g's... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, I'm not an expert on blue aircraft, but I read that note in a comparison for BoB. As there were no FW190s in the BoB fighting Hurris and Spits, I was pretty convinced this was about Bf109s.
But you are correct, the seat of the FW190 looks pretty reclined, too, compared to most other a/c.

stalkervision
04-04-2008, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
AFAIK G-suits don't prevent blackouts, they only help the pilot actively working against the blackout, and as such, prevent early fatigue.

Since fatigue is not modelled in this game, I would say the situation is similar to every pilot wearing a G-suit, Allied, Axis both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

G-suits increase a pilots abality to take many more g's and for a longer time. As such they are very important and can be the difference between life and death. Pulling a few more g's in a turn is often that difference.

Bremspropeller
04-04-2008, 05:14 AM
A human's natural g-tolerance is increased by about 1.5 g by wearing well fitting "anti-g-trousers".

That's not entirely true. You have to know how to G-strain, in order to get some performance out of the suit. The suit alone won't do you any good.

A human's g-tolerance also varies greatly over the time.
While today, you might be able to pull 7, tomorrow, 6gs might black you out.
Constant exposure to high Gs is gonna increase your tolerance anyway.
Lack of this exposure, however, is gonna get your tolerance back down very quickly.

Pirschjaeger
04-04-2008, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
What say you luftwhiners?

Are you playing troll vs community again?

Enough with the trolling Aimail or it will become mod vs troll. I think it's time you started showing a little more respect for the community and it's members.

Fritz

Brain32
04-04-2008, 06:04 AM
1. I once read on an outside forum when Luthier said that G-suits ARE modelled for P-51
2. Both ME-109 and FW-190 had reclined seats
3. If you are comparing 1944 G-suit with todays Raptor pilot for example G-suit you are an idiot, early G-suits were not much if at all more benefitial to withstanding G's than reclined seats, and were often described as highly uncomfortable by pilots.
4. Does anybody actually have any numbers of G-suits eqipped squadrons in WW2?
I've read somewhere it was introduced in Nov. 1944 as standard issue to fighter pilots in the USAAF, but I know nothing else about it...

Anyway after a long time in this place finally something interesting to discuss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rnzoli
04-04-2008, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
G-suits increase a pilots abality to take many more g's
Wrong. According to the discussions regarding the most recent Blue Angels' crash:



The report by Marine Lt. Col. Javier J. Ball recommended the team consider wearing G-suits in the future, but states that wearing a suit would not have prevented Davis' crash. The <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">suits only guard up to 1.5 times the force of gravity</span>, the report stated. The turn Davis was trying to make likely exerted six times the force of gravity.
Up to 1.5G
But not adding/increasing the maximum tolerance of the pilot by 1.5G

MEGILE
04-04-2008, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Lt_Letum:
There should be almost no G-effects in the Lerche...

win.

rnzoli
04-04-2008, 07:14 AM
To have a better idea about the subject....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87d_1186879266

stalkervision
04-04-2008, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
To have a better idea about the subject....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87d_1186879266

what a nudie site Ronzoni? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
04-04-2008, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
G-suits increase a pilots abality to take many more g's
Wrong. According to the discussions regarding the most recent Blue Angels' crash:



The report by Marine Lt. Col. Javier J. Ball recommended the team consider wearing G-suits in the future, but states that wearing a suit would not have prevented Davis' crash. The <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">suits only guard up to 1.5 times the force of gravity</span>, the report stated. The turn Davis was trying to make likely exerted six times the force of gravity.
Up to 1.5G
But not adding/increasing the maximum tolerance of the pilot by 1.5G </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not what I have heard Ronzoni. Sounds like a very thinly spun Navel aviation justification for the pilots not wearing one's before the crash. I have found no good sites that go into this so I will let it slide.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Blue angels pilots don't pull constant high g's and are also tested and trained in g lock simulators. Short duration h-gs are perfectly do-able normally. The whole thing smells fishy somewhat..

rnzoli
04-04-2008, 08:00 AM
Sounds like a very thinly spun Navel aviation justification for the pilots not wearing one's
No, that was handled separately. The justification is that the inflating G-suits would interfere with the precise manouvers they do in formation flying.


Short duration h-gs are perfectly do-able normally. 1000% agree, it all depends what you mean "normally" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Maybe check the "Rapid onset..." section in that video link and yes, some of the guys pass out quite normally in short time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
04-04-2008, 10:16 AM
I thought they tested these guys way better in the Blue Angels? The cream of the crop they say. Apparently I have been taking my life in my hands at their airshows! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

jarink
04-04-2008, 12:41 PM
G suits are modeled on every plane flown by the AI in the game.

Korolov1986
04-04-2008, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
G suits are modeled on every plane flown by the AI in the game.

Wrong. AI have anti-gravity generators, not G-suits.

BOA_Allmenroder
04-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I thought they tested these guys way better in the Blue Angels? The cream of the crop they say. Apparently I have been taking my life in my hands at their airshows! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Blue Angel pilots undergo GLOC training each year in a centrifuge.

They don't wear G suits because they place their right arm on their right thigh when flying; this area would be under a G Suit inflation pad and would result in involuntary arm (and consequently stick) movement.

The US Thunderbirds wear G Suits since the F16 uses a side stick control, not the 'traditional' between the knees placeement in the F18.

M_Gunz
04-04-2008, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jarink:
G suits are modeled on every plane flown by the AI in the game.

Wrong. AI have anti-gravity generators, not G-suits. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that's cost me $20. I had bet they were all Terminators, the early steel chassis models.

Korolov1986
04-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Well that's cost me $20. I had bet they were all Terminators, the early steel chassis models.

Do you really think 2,000 pounds in the general build of a large man could keep it's limbs centered while pulling 20G? No way!

Anti-gravity generators all the way. Also explains their incredible climb rates, dive rates, and altitude performance.

ElAurens
04-04-2008, 08:03 PM
The AI brain is also gyro stabilized to counter the effects of near constant max deflection aileron rolls at transonic speeds.

JtD
04-05-2008, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Lt_Letum:
There should be almost no G-effects in the Lerche...

Yeah, the pilot neck should snap in the first hard turn without the pilot blacking out first.

Klemm.co
04-05-2008, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lt_Letum:
There should be almost no G-effects in the Lerche...

Yeah, the pilot neck should snap in the first hard turn without the pilot blacking out first. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes it should... but it wouldn't. That's a big difference there.
I guess no pilot would want to fly the Lerche ever again after their first successful landing. If there was one. I can't imagine how sore their neck would've gotten if they looked up the whole time. (Yes, check it. That's their flying position.)

Pirschjaeger
04-05-2008, 03:57 PM
Once a Lerche pilot is passed his prime, he'll make an excellent AA gunner. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz