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Scharnhorst1943
07-06-2006, 11:23 AM
Hey Bearcat! I know you flew P-51's with the redtails in the war, and I have recently seen the movie "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Lawrence Fishburn.

I really liked it. The acting was great, but even greater were the actual dogfighting scenes. I liked them better than BOB.

So I guess my main question is ...

Did you fly with the 99th? and How acurate is the movie? Were you aquainted with any of the flyers that were portrayed in the film? I am currious as to how much is fact vs. how much is Hollywood.

I really liked this one. It is now apart of my all time favorates and I highly recomend it.
Thanks for your time

HayateAce
07-06-2006, 11:24 AM
Um, what?

BeeCee is not old enough to be a WW2 veteran.

Scharnhorst1943
07-06-2006, 11:37 AM
I thought I read somewhere here on the forums that Bearcat flew with the redtails http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

If I am incorrect then I appologize for the missunderstanding http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I knew those mushrooms were a bad idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Anyway, It is still a great movie. I would still like to know how much is fact or myth.

MEGILE
07-06-2006, 11:44 AM
He flies with the virtual redtails

HayateAce
07-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Yes Scharn, good movie. Especially when the two "colored" fliers execute an emergency landing on a country road and go walking up to the chain gang. The reaction of the black prisoners is priceless.

Too bad the USA's treatment of its black soldiers, who have served their country so well. Looking forward to the Lucas Redtails film, even if done in poor hollywood fashion. Like Saving Private Ryan, at least it will again bring some awareness to the current generation of the sacrifices that have been laid down.

http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/mar03/images/photo01-tuskegee.jpg

justflyin
07-06-2006, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Scharnhorst1943:
I thought I read somewhere here on the forums that Bearcat flew with the redtails http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

If I am incorrect then I appologize for the missunderstanding http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I knew those mushrooms were a bad idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Anyway, It is still a great movie. I would still like to know how much is fact or myth.

There are a few threads around of BC talking about meeting some of the Red Tails, but as HayateAce said, he's not old enough to have been in WWII. I seem to recall that he is a veteran though. Vietnam maybe?!?

He'll be by soon enough to help. I think he asked some very detailed questions when he met them on a few occasions.

foxyboy1964
07-06-2006, 12:25 PM
Bearcat was in Vietnam? Wow, respect. Any other vets? What about the Brits? Falklands, N.I., Gulf.

justflyin
07-06-2006, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
Bearcat was in Vietnam?

I said maybe, but then again my memory is a little burnt these days. Damned 70's! :^(

;^)

MEGILE
07-06-2006, 12:35 PM
BC had an afro during the 70s.

LStarosta
07-06-2006, 01:04 PM
IBBCL

joeap
07-06-2006, 02:23 PM
OMG Hayateace made a great post, I must be seeing things like raaid.

Choctaw111
07-06-2006, 02:39 PM
Kosovo and War on Terror (two times) for me. I would do it all over again.

justflyin
07-06-2006, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
OMG Hayateace made a great post, I must be seeing things like raaid.

Aside from his usual cynacism/sarcasm, often including facts, he actually does post some informative things now and then. ;^)

He's spot on about the 109-G2 and he likes the Dallas Cowboys, too. So, he can't be all bad. lol

jensenpark
07-06-2006, 05:13 PM
I heard BC was too old to join up by the time WW2 came around...

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RCAF_Irish_403
07-06-2006, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by jensenpark:
I heard BC was too old to join up by the time WW2 came around...

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*spits his milk* BWAAHAHAHAHaaa(cough)

foxyboy1964
07-06-2006, 07:05 PM
@ Choctaw111...God willing you wont have to do it again mate ~S~

Daiichidoku
07-06-2006, 08:08 PM
on the set of "The Tuskegee Airmen"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/167.jpg

ComradeBadinov
07-06-2006, 08:45 PM
Bearcat is an old Navy boy..... was in VA-22, the Fighting Red *****......... they have red chickens on the tails of their planes..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-06-2006, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by jensenpark:
I heard BC was too old to join up by the time WW2 came around...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nah...bad knees and blind as a bat...be sure.

Bearcat99
07-06-2006, 09:54 PM
LMAO.... This thread is funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Scharnhorst I dont know if I should be flattered or insulted..LOL.. First off for me to have flown with the Redtails I would have to be in my 80s.... AS much as I hope I make it there in one piece with all my faculties while still being able to feed and clean myself... Im in no rush. But thanks!!

I am the C.O. of the Virtual Redtails.

I am a member of the East Coast Chapter of Tuskegee Airmen INC (http://www.ecctai.com/ecc/welcome.htm).... which does make me a Tuskegee Airman.. I am just not what we call an OTA or... Original Tuskegee Airman...

JP.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Comrade B.... You are correct. I was in Va-22... My ship The Coral Sea picked up the refugees from the fall of Saigon and brought them to the U.S. I picked up the ship when it arrived so I missed Vietnam by a few years... If I am not mistaken Comrade B.. you were in the Mighty Shrikes... VA-94 correct?

Now Scharnhorst, about the movie.... yes it was good... it was actuially co written & produced by Robert Williams..

http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Duchess.jpg

The Hannibal Lee character was based on Williams. Note in the movie Hannibal was from Ottumwa Iowa, his plane was number 10.. and the markings were those of the 100th Fighter Squadron..... Just like Williams. Most of the Airmen I have met liked the movie... it was however a amalgam of several characters. It also touched very lightly on the sheer idiocy and viciousness of the racist policies of the USAAC at the time. From all accounts it was much worse... yet they still perservered and excelled. I am looking forward to the Lucas project as well. Several of the flyers portrayed in the film are gone.. however I have met the man who was Charles Hall's wingman when he became the first 99th pilot to score an aerial victory... I have also met several of the other original 99th members and many Airmen from the other squadrons and the 477th... which was the bomber group that flew B-25s. They never saw any action because the war ended and the USAAC higher ups did ecverything in thier power to keep these men from seeing action. The used the same stalling tactics that they used on the first group.... by the time the 477th crews were finished they were the best trained bobmer group in the USAAC. Each crew member knew every other crew member's duties..... and any one of them could have manned any position on the B-25 as if it were his primary assignment.

The lasting legacy of the 477th was the Freeman Field mutiny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Field_Mutiny).

Scharnhorst1943
07-06-2006, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the info Bearcat, and I meant no dissrespect. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Next time I should probably get my facts strait before believing such rediculous assumptions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The fact that it was cowritten and produced by Williams is very interesting, though. It makes me like the movie that much more. That answers my question, and actually ups my appreceation for the film. It really does make a differance when you know the true story behind a movie. The two I know the real history on are Pearl Harbor/Tora Tora Tora, Das Boot and Midway. But Tuskegee Airmen, and Menphis Belle and Battle of Britain I really don't know.

When did Lucas decide to make a movie about the RedTails? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I heard about the Flyboys movie based in WWI, but I expect it will be another "Pearl Harbor" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I just hope this new redtails movie will be more fact than c_rap. Is it me or here lately has Hollywood been spewing mostly garbage for a while now?

Bearcat99
07-06-2006, 10:50 PM
No offense taken... Glad I could help.. Lucas has always been a Warbird fan. Cant you tell from Star Wars? I think it is already in pre production. I cant find the link..just do a forum search for George Lucas. No, it isnt just you.... Hollywood could do a lot better.

ulrich77
07-06-2006, 11:08 PM
I want to see the Heinkel He-100!

This plane rules.

Ulrich "Pik As" Buchelt

Please Oleg!
Please, please I need this plane so badly!

Feathered_IV
07-07-2006, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
Yes Scharn, good movie. Especially when the two "colored" fliers execute an emergency landing on a country road and go walking up to the chain gang. The reaction of the black prisoners is priceless.
http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/mar03/images/photo01-tuskegee.jpg

I love that scene! I've always wondered if it really happened. Anyone? Amazing if it did. No hard feelings/good bit of cinema if it didn't.

WOLFMondo
07-07-2006, 02:09 AM
I'm shocked. Hayateace said something...sensible!

HayateAce
07-07-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I'm shocked. Hayateace said something...sensible!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

My **** fianceƩ typed that while I wasn't looking. I'll be back to UFO'ing the 109G2 in a few days and we can get back to normal around here.

http://www.santacruzpopwarner.org/images/emmittSmith.jpg

HayateAce
07-07-2006, 12:31 PM
Here's a crumb:

One of the projects that was previously announced was a film about African-American fighter pilots called Red Tails, which Lucas would produce, but McCallum said he has a number of irons in the fire. "[Lucas has] another idea for an animated musical, which I won't tell you about, [and] literally dozens of documentaries. He hasn't really focused yet on what we're going to do after we get the [Star Wars TV] series started and once we get Red Tails completed. But that's really more to do with the fact that we only just completed the kind of worldwide tour of Star Wars in the middle of August. So we've just been settling down, trying to get the basic stuff in terms of the animated and live-action series going, and then he'll start to really get into what he wants to do, which will be interesting to see.

McCallum said that concurrent with the press junket, he and Lucas were working on the Red Tails project as well. "We're actually meeting today," McCallum said. "We have fifteen pilots, the original [Tuskegee] pilots, and that's what I've been doing all this morning, which I'll go rush back to as soon as I'm finished with this. They're here for the next three days. We're just going through their experiences and listening to everything that they have to go through, so that's something that's really coming up forward."

McCallum added that Red Tails was only in the incipient stages of development, and may not enter production until late next year. "We don't have a writer yet," he said. "We're starting to really figure out what's going to come out of these next three days and then we'll star on that immediately. I don't think we'll be shooting that probably until the end of next year or the following year, 2007, but at least we're making real headway on it."