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EiZ0N
01-12-2007, 10:53 AM
Hi

I've been out of the loop since the summer of last year really, and all the versions and different installs for this game are confusing me.

I just want to play the one which the majority are playing.

Which bleedin' version is that?

Would everyone else be so kind as to just play one version? It's just confusing and inconvenient! :P

Apologies as this must have been asked umpteen times. (I did try a search for 'most popular version').

It's quite hard to see how many servers there are as I have to manually configure some filters script file for my All Seeing Eye for every new version that comes out, and it doesn't seem to want to let me have more than two different version filters at once.

I'm sure this must have been said, but it can't be helping the community having all these different players in different versions of the game.

I understand the need for paid patches, and it's quite a problem because to continue development, they need money, but with every paid patch, I'm sure more and more people are 'left behind'.

crazyivan1970
01-12-2007, 11:05 AM
Hi,
The most current version is 4.07 patched to 4.071 (beta patch). Based on the server availability and numbers it seems to be the most played one. Final version, not sure of the number yet, will be released sometime soon.

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stanford-ukded
01-12-2007, 03:46 PM
Quite an interesting point, actually. Will BoB be planned slightly simpler? I.e. the latest patch being the only patch required...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slappedsilly
01-12-2007, 04:32 PM
When patches where free it didn't cause the split in the community. Now with the paid "add ons" it becomes more confusing and splits the community (online play). To me at least I wish they'd keep it free or just leave it alone.

FritzGryphon
01-12-2007, 08:46 PM
The current slew of versions might have a lot to do with 1946 not being easily available in North America yet. Some people don't want to order from online, or are waiting for their copies to ship.

Usually, online servers are all on the latest version.

Once '46 is in stores everywhere (if), it'll probably be the only one played.


Will BoB be planned slightly simpler? I.e. the latest patch being the only patch required...

Probably not likely, because patches would get too big. To someone who is playing the latest version, a small seperate patch is better than a big combined one.

I do hope we never have silly addon chains again. Every new product should be a standalone, patched to latest version. Maybe one addon per standalone. Not FB+AEP+PF+SOM+PE2+1946.

WWMaxGunz
01-12-2007, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
When patches where free it didn't cause the split in the community. Now with the paid "add ons" it becomes more confusing and splits the community (online play). To me at least I wish they'd keep it free or just leave it alone.

So you don't think that anything past IL2 v1.2 has been worth the price?
Because FB was pay-for.
And AEP.
And PF.
And Pe-2 addon.
And now 1946.
Only about year and a half to a couple years between for major improvements, not worth it?

Or perhaps Maddox Games is so rich they can work 5-6 years beyond the 4 years to make IL2
all for free? Maybe in your world, but not in the one I've known.

Each release has been stand-alone capable so is a new game. 1946 is also so.
Is the trouble that there are too many flight sims and too many patches?
I know of a company that released fewer games in their series and lucky to get one patch,
perhaps people that can't handle this can go beg M$ to crank out another medoicre POS?

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01-12-2007, 09:57 PM
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slappedsilly
01-12-2007, 10:02 PM
Well obviously some were, I'm still at 4.04m and seems that right now, there enough playing that version to make it still fun. I can't say if the latest patches are worth it or not. From what I read most say it is. I'm in the U.S. and if it where on the shelf I'd probably grab it. Either way I don't care for the fact that there are three main server versions going now.

Skycat_2
01-12-2007, 10:12 PM
I just got on Ubi's server last night. For FB, there were only four rooms. Two were for v2.04 and the other two were for v4.05m. I had to use the French 'switcher' utility to downshift my 4.05m install to 4.04m.

I don't know what the prefererred version is at hyperlobby, but if you you have the 1946 DVD (or add-ons to get you to v4.07), you can use the switcher utility to change from 4.04m to 4.05m to 4.07m and back at will. Which is a good reason to have the latest version of the sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Incidently, I couldn't connect to the Ubi.com server with the DVD. Perhaps it is because there weren't any rooms using v4.07 or v4.07m?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fuzzychickens
01-14-2007, 12:05 AM
I agree, this multiple version **** has gotten out of hand.

For any post BOB releases, they shoud be STAND ALONE games that include all the previous content OR if not stand alone, then they should be TRUE add-ons, meaning you NEED the original BOB game to get the game to work.

Also, the game should allow owners of the "add-on" games to play on the standard BOB servers (minus the new content of course).

Patching should be forced to play online so only ONE (the latest) is being used in servers.

It's too obvious right now to deny multiple versions is fragmenting and hurting the online play. This should be avoided somehow with BOB.

Ugly_Kid
01-14-2007, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Skycat_2:
I don't know what the prefererred version is at hyperlobby

There are quite a few 4.04 and 4.071 and some 4.05. I think there are some factors here Pe-2 release already started causing division - maybe because of the release and drama with the boonty (not that it was much of a bother - now people are crying for boonty release of 46 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Some bought '46 for the content, some bought it for having it all on one DVD. Some did not buy it because of the content and quite a few again stepped out of the the train because of copy protection, which certainly seem to have topped boonty-drama and caused real concrete problems. Now that options to copy protection are available some more have bought 4.07m. The last two releases because of Boonty and Securom have lost players not because of paying for it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-14-2007, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
When patches where free it didn't cause the split in the community. Now with the paid "add ons" it becomes more confusing and splits the community (online play). To me at least I wish they'd keep it free or just leave it alone.

The split does not bother me and I see no confusion on my part. The only ones who complain about this is the ones who do not want to purchase the paid addons.

Those like me gladly do so and are very happy with the product we now have. You can clearly see this by looking at the most popular servers on HL which are 4.071.

So just be sure to speak for yourself. Most of us who have been here for 5+ years invite more addons and will gladly buy them. If you choice not to then that is your loss.

Patches that fix bugs are usually free but not ones that include content. You can look at just about any game to see this. Oleg has given use many planes, maps, objects, and even added features for free in the past. You should be thankfull for that but not expect it everytime...thats just selfish and greedy in my opinion.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fuzzychickens
01-14-2007, 05:25 PM
Free updates still help sell the original game.

WB_Outlaw
01-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Patches that include all previous content will be unnecessarily large. If a patch only changes a single 35 meg file then it should only be a 35 meg download. If there were 250 megabytes of patches before that one I don't want to have to download all 250 megs just to get a 35 meg change. Having both an all inclusive and incremental patch available would make it easier to patch but it would also include more thought on the part of the patch distributor and if they're not comfortable with their ability to handle such a complicated issue, I'd rather they not try.

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slappedsilly
01-15-2007, 05:52 PM
Those like me gladly do so and are very happy with the product we now have. You can clearly see this by looking at the most popular servers on HL which are 4.071.

My point is there are people like you and people like me. You play 4.071m and I play 4.04m. Now I don't have your version, so I can't be positive, but I think they are mostly the same game.
When I get on hyperlobby and see 3 versions of the same game, it seems the dev. has done a dis-service to the customers. Now peer presure and evolving servers can sell their products for them. If the new version was off-line only, would you own it? I doubt many would.

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-16-2007, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Those like me gladly do so and are very happy with the product we now have. You can clearly see this by looking at the most popular servers on HL which are 4.071.

My point is there are people like you and people like me. You play 4.071m and I play 4.04m. Now I don't have your version, so I can't be positive, but I think they are mostly the same game.
When I get on hyperlobby and see 3 versions of the same game, it seems the dev. has done a dis-service to the customers. Now peer presure and evolving servers can sell their products for them. If the new version was off-line only, would you own it? I doubt many would. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still dont see what your gripe is. The only people complaining is those that dont have 4.071m. Personally I dont care about you 4.04 fliers. If your content with that then so be it. But come here crying about compatibility issues when you are not seeing any complaints from us that has moved on. Nobody is strong arming you to purchase the game and nobody is pressuring you either...that I am quite sure of. When I load HL Im not confused by different versions nor was I ever. The servers I fly, fly my version and I have them on my friends list so they are at the top.

If your confused just click on the server and 98% of the time it will list the version it is running. There problem solved.

And would I have bought it if it was off line only? Short answer, no I would not have because I cant think of any games I play off line other then RTS style games. If this whole entire series was off line I most likely would have never of bought it and if I did I most certainly would not still be playing it 5+ years later. Playing against human opponents is fun for me. Playing against AI just dont do it for me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
01-16-2007, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
When patches where free it didn't cause the split in the community. Now with the paid "add ons" it becomes more confusing and splits the community (online play). To me at least I wish they'd keep it free or just leave it alone.
Minor split when Pe-2 came out but everyone pretty much either stayed 4.04 and the 4.05 guys had a quick switch to play 4.04 games...OR you just played on 4.05 servers. Now there is just 4.07 in the form of IL-2 1946. Its the latest version...we're all there now. Not all that confusing. Its like when AEP came out.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-16-2007, 08:17 PM
Buy/order Il246. It's the latest and has it all. For me, the only "real" versions of the sim are those which you purchase and which contain all previous material (FB, PF, and now 46). I download patches or buy addons (like AEP) mainly to get temporary fixes/additions I plan on buying again when/if the next official update is done. Plus, if you need to reformat your HD or get a new computer you don't have to mess with remembering all the patch installation order

JG52Karaya-X
01-17-2007, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by fuzzychickens:
Free updates still help sell the original game.

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Bearcat99
01-17-2007, 07:08 AM
All this crying about multiple versions is BS. Like Skycat said... that switcher utility is great and renders all that moot. Last night I was in a 4.05, 4.04 and a 4.071 server. Most of thepeople who are complaining about the versions are relatively new converts who may have shelled out bucks for the complete edition and now feel that they are being ripped off having to buy the thing again. What they fail to realize is that 46 is a combination of two seperate add ons, add ons which if sold seperately would sell for @ the same price of the single DVD. I paid $39.99 for mine... I paid $17 or $19 for Pe-2.. I cant remember. Bottom line...... suck it up..... or dont.... but complaining wont do JACK. It ios what it is..... and 1C has to eat too.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slappedsilly
01-17-2007, 11:53 AM
I'll hazard a guess that the SoW series will consist of about 10 realeases at about $40-$50 each and have the most fragmented online play of any game to date. Maybe I'm just too much of a tight wad, but the hardware alone is enough to break my budget.

knightflyte
01-17-2007, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
I'll hazard a guess that the SoW series will consist of about 10 realeases at about $40-$50 each and have the most fragmented online play of any game to date. Maybe I'm just too much of a tight wad, but the hardware alone is enough to break my budget.


It might.

But then this leads into another realm of our beloved hobby. While you can still have fun with IL2 with just a single simple joystick, to get the most from the experience one needs a decent HOTAS/Rudder st up and Track IR.

Is this hobby getting too eclectic for new people to come to terms with? Are the being 'left behind' so to say?

I know I'll be looking to refit anoher cmputer to enjoy BoB. I've bought numerous joysticks/HOTAS. I've bought 2 Track IRs since 2002. I've upgraded video cards and processos etc etc.

Add the relatively difficult learning curve and you wonder ow long our hobby will remain viable.

I'm not knocking it, but since I came here there have been improvememnts to the game that make it quite difficult for a newb too really get the most from the game.... never mind getting past the FMs with less than adquate peripherals.

Opinions?

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-17-2007, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
I'll hazard a guess that the SoW series will consist of about 10 realeases at about $40-$50 each and have the most fragmented online play of any game to date. Maybe I'm just too much of a tight wad, but the hardware alone is enough to break my budget.

There is always playstation or xbox. This is an expensive hobby and if your not prepared to pay for it then dont think developers should hold back just on your count. Everyone wants free stuff but these people do not work for free as I imagine you dont either. Why complain? Nobody will force you to buy it. Dont purchase SoW when it comes out and you will not be compelled to purchase the add ons for it. Problem solved! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
01-17-2007, 06:30 PM
The SoW software will always be a great deal. I'd hazard a guess that it'd take 5 mainstream clone games to hold my interest as long as 1 IL-2 product.

I know people that get a new game every month or so, whereas I've played 5 IL-2 titles in 5 years. The only other games I've got are Oblivion and LOMAC, both of which I admit were mistakes. Suddenly the $100 for my X45 doesn't seem so much.

Besides, I'm sure even the most casual of gamers with el cheapo twisty sticks will find rewarding gameplay from IL-2 and BoB. I myself used to use a Logitech stick and keyboard for rudder, and it didn't reduce my enjoyment in the slightest.

As far as sysreqs go, I'm hardly worried, either. IL-2 ran well on existing hardware, and I expect BoB will too when it comes out. Much better than the first flashy FPS game of 2008 for sure.

Besides, I played IL-2 series the whole time at low graphics, and that didn't reduce my enjoyment, either.

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-17-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
The SoW software will always be a great deal. I'd hazard a guess that it'd take 5 mainstream clone games to hold my interest as long as 1 IL-2 product.

I know people that get a new game every month or so, whereas I've played 5 IL-2 titles in 5 years. The only other games I've got are Oblivion and LOMAC, both of which I admit were mistakes. Suddenly the $100 for my X45 doesn't seem so much.

Besides, I'm sure even the most casual of gamers with el cheapo twisty sticks will find rewarding gameplay from IL-2 and BoB. I myself used to use a Logitech stick and keyboard for rudder, and it didn't reduce my enjoyment in the slightest.

As far as sysreqs go, I'm hardly worried, either. IL-2 ran well on existing hardware, and I expect BoB will too when it comes out. Much better than the first flashy FPS game of 2008 for sure.

Besides, I played IL-2 series the whole time at low graphics, and that didn't reduce my enjoyment, either.

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slappedsilly
01-18-2007, 08:26 AM
I know I'll be looking to refit anoher cmputer to enjoy BoB. I've bought numerous joysticks/HOTAS. I've bought 2 Track IRs since 2002. I've upgraded video cards and processos etc etc.

Add the relatively difficult learning curve and you wonder ow long our hobby will remain viable.

This is exactly my point. The fewer we are the more money it will cost us, which inturn will make us even fewer yet. Hopefully the AI in BoB will be such that offline play will be more enjoyable. When virtual hobbies get too expensive many will return to RL hobbies. Probably not in WWII aircraft but something a bit more tangable. I'm not complaining, (the market creates its own path) just stating my opinions. And as far as consoles go, no thanks, they just seem very sterile to me.