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hdjuey
06-18-2007, 02:21 PM
1 where russian aircraft mostly made of wood
2 and on the spitfire did it have a spar, that pop up on top of the wings when the landing gear was down

MEGILE
06-18-2007, 02:41 PM
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claypidgon
06-18-2007, 02:44 PM
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JG52Karaya-X
06-18-2007, 02:45 PM
1) Yes they were, right up until the end of the war (in the ETO). Only post-war did Russia start serial production of aircraft with full-metal construction (Yak3U, late Yak9U series, IL10,...)

Cannot comment on #2

3.JG51_BigBear
06-18-2007, 02:54 PM
1. Definitely. Russia was looking to conserve "strategic materials" so the use of wood was encouraged.

2. I don't believe that the Spitfire had the external landing gear indicators on its wings (I don't think I've ever heard of them refered to as "spars" either).

Skycat_2
06-18-2007, 11:24 PM
I don't know much about Spitfires, but Shockwave's Spitfire Ia model for FS9/FSX has indicators that come up from the wings when the landing gear goes down.

Copperhead310th
06-18-2007, 11:31 PM
Where you read this...that Russian planes made of wood? Close this book and never open again!!

lol

I AM LAUGH

Skycat_2
06-18-2007, 11:50 PM
I hate to defer to FS addons as my textbook, but it is all I'm finding for proof right now:

From a Spitfire Vb and Tempest pack (http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/jfspit2.htm) review:

"If you look hard on the Spit...there's little red strut which protrudes from the wings when the gear is down. That is a visual indicator for gear retraction when electric failure occurs..."

Skycat_2
06-19-2007, 12:03 AM
Zing! I found a reproduction of the Spitfire Mk. IX, XI and XVI pilot's manual (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/spit/SPIT9MANUAL.pdf) at Zeno's Warbirds. From page 9 of the PDF file:

14. Undercarriage indicators
(a) Electrical visual indicator."”The electrically operated visual indicator (2) has two semi-transparent windows on which the words UP on a red background and DOWN on a green background are lettered; the words are illuminated according to the position of the undercarriage. The switch (34) for the DOWN circuit is moved to the on position by a striker
on the throttle lever as the throttle is opened.
(b) Mechanical position indicators."”On early aircraft a rod that extends through the top surface of the main plane is fitted to each undercarriage unit. When the wheels are down the rods protrude through the top of the main planes and when they arc up, the tops of the rods, which are painted red, arc flush with the main plane surfaces.

major_setback
06-19-2007, 12:41 PM
I think a little hatch might have popped up on some aircraft [EDIT: it looks more like that would be for the flaps]:

From here http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/0315_14.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/0315_09.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/0315_05.jpg


From the Shuttleworth Spitfire thread on this forum:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/img002-2.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/img003-2.jpg

Irish_Rogues
06-19-2007, 12:43 PM
Wow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Taylortony
06-19-2007, 06:08 PM
Yes, they are Spring loaded covers for the flap mechanism............ an no they do not have undercarraige indicators bar the lights.

Philipscdrw
06-19-2007, 06:19 PM
The Il-2 has the undercarriage indicators you describe - they're black and white and are on the wing-roots, little L-shaped things.

Divine-Wind
06-19-2007, 07:44 PM
Russian planes were made of Delta Wood, be sure.

Skycat_2
06-19-2007, 11:58 PM
http://www.warbirdsalive.com/wblist/british/spitfire/spit9_cfam/spit95_cfam2.jpg
Picture is of a Mk.IX trainer that was converted for the Battle of Britain movie, apparently. I think that red thing is the undercarriage indicator rod.

Taylortony
06-20-2007, 06:08 AM
Correction, you are correct. up to the mK 9 the Spit had the external indicators shown...... However there was a mod brought out to remove these as they scrubbed about 8 knots of the top speed I am told....hope that clarifies it, the pic above does indeed show them.

Pirschjaeger
06-20-2007, 08:55 AM
If the prop suddenly stops when landing, I think that would be a pretty good indication.

Divine-Wind
06-20-2007, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Skycat_2:
http://www.warbirdsalive.com/wblist/british/spitfire/spit9_cfam/spit95_cfam2.jpg
Picture is of a Mk.IX trainer that was converted for the Battle of Britain movie, apparently. I think that red thing is the undercarriage indicator rod.
Christmas lights!

flaming_onion
06-20-2007, 01:43 PM
There is an excellent book called, "The Spitfire Story", by Alfred Price. In it, there are photographs of these rods on the prototype.