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sanctuary.gr
05-07-2011, 12:32 AM
Tell me about these Academy creatures!

sanctuary.gr
05-07-2011, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by sanctuary.gr:
TIER 1 gargoyle - stone gargoyle

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gifts2collectibles/gargoyles/Gargoyle%20Over%20Shelf.jpg

tier 2 werewolf - werewlof warior

http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens17568674_1296053280legendary_creatures.jpg

tier 3 stone golem - iron golem

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/golem_illo.jpg

tier 4 witch - healer witch

http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/3/3d/Mage2.jpg

tier 5 lighting mage - white mage

http://www.the-mathom-house.com/images/Gandalf_the_white_in_Fangorn.jpg

tier 6 tiger blademaster - tiger weaponmaster

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/709/709852/titan-quest-20060523062134659.jpg

tier 7 fire phoenix - golden phoenix

http://blog.hsoc.eu/uploads/2009/05/phoenix-fire-blaze-heat-300x279.jpg

or tier 7 colosous -titan

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/181/colossusx.jpg

Alderbranchh
05-07-2011, 12:53 AM
???

Where is the titans?!
And the tier 1 shooters?...

Me no like this suggestion..

sanctuary.gr
05-07-2011, 01:16 AM
did not like gremblin so replaced them.
genie can be summoned so put a witch and as about titan i forgot t paste it (sorry about that).
put alternively phoenix cause maybe back then there was not enought technology to build a colosous who will envolve to titan.
i like werewolves hope to see them in some faction finally!!!!!!

Ro.Floro
05-07-2011, 01:52 AM
Academy isn't about putting together creatures from the forest...It has never been like that...they're mages and mechanical creatures...
I like the phoenix though. It may just work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BlueLore
05-07-2011, 02:57 AM
Even though I miss the Titan I think the phoenix would also be ok.

However I think,that the werewolf is totally out of place,werewolfs are wild,(most of the time)evil and creatures of the night,while the academy is civilized,(most of the time) good and magic orientated...

I also think,that witches do not really fit into the academy,since witches are associated with dark and evil magic.

And the tiger blade master is more like a replacement for the rakshasa,but the rakshasa are in my opinion better.

The other creatures are ok in my opinion^^.

Myster_Guile
05-07-2011, 03:14 AM
I gotta say I really dislike this haphazard Academy build. One thing I would point out that's somewhat contrary to what Ro.Floro said about having random creatures in the town, if you go back to Heroes 2 you had random boars and Rocs in their army, so its not completely unheard of to have random beasts in their line up. However what the Academy in Ashan are about are basically mages crafting beings to fight for them, and specifically fight demons, which is why they made the Orcs and other beastmen of the Stronghold faction, and now some other creatures in Sanctuary and Necropolis.

We know they eventually settled on artificial life forms, Gargoyles, Golems, and Titans, as they were more obedient, by the time Heroes 5 rolls around. How werewolves and tigermen could fit into this, I have no idea, though a Phoenix could conceivably be a magically crafted or bound being that might fit in somehow. I also don't think a Witch/Healer Witch would fit in too well among studious wizards, not saying there couldn't be female wizards among them though. Namely I just don't think that makes a very fun or interesting unit though. Aside from that you have the standard Academy fare, which I don't think they would, or really should, go with again as they're adding interesting diversity to all of the other returning factions.

Personally for me, if they are eventually going to add the wizards, I'd like to see some sort of intermediary period between binding people to beasts and demons, and crafting beings and binding souls. Perhaps if there were Gargoyles it could be more like a demon bound to stone, retaining more of the demon qualities than what we saw in Heroes 5 where it was basically a flying cinder-block, or some sort of flesh golem, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure they could come up with more interesting things than that. Alternatively, instead of an Academy faction I also wouldn't mind seeing a mechanist faction, more like the one path of creatures in Heroes 4 with the return of the Golem Dragon. A less magical and more technological approach to golems and such. That may be somewhat harder to fit into the past of heroes 5, but I'm sure they could craft a plot around why the technology was lost and/or destroyed.

Wall of text complete.

sanctuary.gr
05-07-2011, 03:16 AM
she is not a normal witch,is a healer witch that use white magic
female mage if you prefere
i just could not find a better image
as about werewolf in this case i think him more as a chained slave,an experiment which ended up guarding its master .like underwold movie.
mages use to experiment a lot back then.
orcs
sanctuary tier 1 and many other creatures are made by them on that era

Myster_Guile
05-07-2011, 03:31 AM
I know, thats what I was saying and it seems at this point, they acknowledge the failure of trying to create beastmen. They tried to keep the orcs and other beastmen as chained slaves as well and that turned out disastrously for them, I really don't think its plausible that they'd continue to try. And its more the whole concept of a healer mage that I find issue with, in an army of mostly constructs and disposable crafted beings, especially when they'd not really be different from the Priestesses of the Haven.

Ro.Floro
05-07-2011, 04:23 AM
Sanctuary.gr, you can't really heal mechanical creatures...you can, on the other hand, repair them...
@Myster_Guile, I'm young and I haven't played Heroes 2 and also I'm not familiar with any of the creatures and castles from that game...I also haven't played H4 because I heard that it is the worst game of the series, so I didn't bother playing...sorry for talking without knowing...I just said, about the faction concept Sanctuary.gr made, that I didn't think that werewolves were fitting in the storyline and the creature stack of Academy....as I don't see the role of witches...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope you understand me now.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ChaosArchon85
05-07-2011, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Myster_Guile:
It seems at this point, they acknowledge the failure of trying to create beastmen. They tried to keep the orcs and other beastmen as chained slaves as well and that turned out disastrously for them, I really don't think its plausible that they'd continue to try.
On the contrary, I think the wizards are still in the "experimenting to get the right beastman hybrid" era. After all they've not only made the orcs but also the lamasu, harpies, sharkmen, and minotaurs... they're on a streak. I like the idea of showing a different era in the wizard lineup by implementing more beastmen than their HoMMV counterparts. In fact, I might even consider giving them the minotaurs and getting rid of most of the constructs (can't lose the titan tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif )

That reminds me, are the gremlins a beastman hybrid race?

BlueLore
05-07-2011, 09:40 AM
Even as an experiment,the werewolf looks out of place,especially regarding the whole atmosphere in the town.
I would say,that if you want to put in an artificial creature,something like a manticore would be more fitting.
I also think,that the werewolf should be at least an elite tier unit,since they are most often regarded as equal to vampires.

I also think it would be quite interesting to split the academy into a magic based faction(academy,this faction could have the phoenix as champion and the wizards would have the goal to surpass the dragon gods themselves) and a faction that specializes in artificial creatures(could be called factory or so and the heros would be wizards who gave up on surpassing the dragon gods and instead decided to create a creature that surpasses the dragon gods,this faction would have the titan as champion)

Myster_Guile
05-07-2011, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Ro.Floro:
@Myster_Guile, I'm young and I haven't played Heroes 2

Ouch, way to make me feel old D:

Anyway, the Wizard town did have a few random creatures, which I always did find out of place even then, and I wasn't overly defending random creatures in this faction, just pointing out that its not AS random as it may seem.


Originally posted by ChaosArchon85:
On the contrary, I think the wizards are still in the "experimenting to get the right beastman hybrid" era. After all they've not only made the orcs but also the lamasu, harpies, sharkmen, and minotaurs... they're on a streak.

It seems more like that's a failure streak. The orcs successfully rebelled and are now roving barbarians, along with the harpies, centaur and cyclopes. The Lamasu died far too fast to be useful and are now under the control of the Necromancers, their rivals at the best of times and enemies at the worst. The sharkmen were given away to the Sanctuary, so they must not have been terribly usable to them either. Are the minotaurs known to be created by the Wizards yet? Anyway the point is, it seems like at this point they have had enough failure trying to create beastmen, and it seems like they'd be moving on to constructs or maybe binding stronger magics to monsters, which could easily make for a Phoenix as their top tier unit. Maybe rather than beastmen or constructs, it could be mostly magic bound beasts like the Phoenix.

Ro.Floro
05-07-2011, 02:44 PM
If I hadn't had exams to take, I would have shown you how a real town should look...I'll show you, though, in august...
Also, ASSASSIN'S CREED is coming...its new title, Revelations...I love you Ubi...You made one of the greatest games of all times...the story is just mind-blowing...as I am a person who thinks that SOMETHING, dunno what though, will happen in 2012. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ChaosArchon85
05-07-2011, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Myster_Guile:
It seems more like that's a failure streak. The orcs successfully rebelled and are now roving barbarians, along with the harpies, centaur and cyclopes. The Lamasu died far too fast to be useful and are now under the control of the Necromancers, their rivals at the best of times and enemies at the worst. The sharkmen were given away to the Sanctuary, so they must not have been terribly usable to them either. Are the minotaurs known to be created by the Wizards yet? Anyway the point is, it seems like at this point they have had enough failure trying to create beastmen, and it seems like they'd be moving on to constructs or maybe binding stronger magics to monsters, which could easily make for a Phoenix as their top tier unit. Maybe rather than beastmen or constructs, it could be mostly magic bound beasts like the Phoenix.

It only seems like all the wizards creations have been failures because they've been recruited by the other factions? This can only be an assumption considering that they're the only of the wizards' beastmen we've seen (because the wizards' own faction hasn't been included yet). To say that there have been no successes because you've only seen the failures that have gone to the other factions is a fallacy. We only know that 400 years later the wizards of the silver cities no longer rely on the beastmen they were known for creating in this era.

Personally, I'd like to see the wizards' faction reflecting an era wherein they utilize beastmen as the most elite (and likely expensive) creatures they can recruit (create).

Shawn85
05-08-2011, 02:44 AM
sorry, but i dont like this at all :S

sanctuary.gr
05-08-2011, 03:03 PM
tried to give it a magical-beast aproach but it turned ot to be a failure.lets check a spirit - magic like.
since no much technology with no wars machines and many magical experimens few mechanical units.
o just to know even if you pay me no gremblins.
i really hate them.

tier 1 gargoyle - gargoyle warior

http://www.statuesgargoyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gargoyle-Statues1.jpg

tier 2 sameda - deraga
(range unit,throw red fire basic, blue flame upgrade)
names just random word,no meaning

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/290/b/7/mass_effect_2_liara_2_by_agatafoxxx-d30y4fa.jpg

tier 3 stone golem -steel golem

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/golem_illo.jpg

tier 4 mage - white mage

http://www.skbox.net/ebay/magical/lord/Gandalf/Gandalf_the_white_in_Fangorn.jpg

tier 5 thunder spirit - lighting spirit

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb36436/dragonage/images/thumb/2/2c/Spirit_of_Valor.JPG/130px-0,230,0,203-Spirit_of_Valor.JPG

alternative djinn - master djinn

http://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/djinn.jpg
tier 6 chimera - chaos chimera

http://images.wikia.com/science/el/images/d/d2/Monsters-Chimera-01-goog.jpg


(yes they manage to control something they made!!!!!!1) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tier 7 flame phoenix - sun phoenix
http://www.thejayhawker.net/images/stories/Phoenix-Ashes.jpg

Infiltrator-SF
05-08-2011, 05:26 PM
Did I just see a gay orc?

sanctuary.gr
05-09-2011, 02:01 AM
it is is green genie who get upgraded to a blue one.
you are not funny.

Ro.Floro
05-09-2011, 02:52 AM
He is funny...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) LMFAO
gay orc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))) =))
More to the topic...I think there should be gremlins if there are golems, to repair them...also...genies can't be missing from the ranks of the academy's army...Phoenix can't be tamed...IMO...so they should be just conjured or summoned, not belong to a faction...be it even the Great mages of the seven cities...also...the gargoiles should be more agile...something like the ones in H3...and most important, a mage(3rd or 4th unit) and a strong melee warior (6th unit) must be there...

sanctuary.gr
05-09-2011, 03:03 AM
i disagree.
i like this new version and i am tired to say about the small technological knowledge they had (not even balista in that era) and that i always hated gremblins.
if you do not like it then make one.
and since almost all 7th tier units have change or replaced cpompletely i liked the idea of phoenix.
i expect your fanction.

Ro.Floro
05-09-2011, 03:26 AM
As I said in an earlier post on another thread, I don't have the time to do that just now, as I have some pretty important exams to take...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif In august I will show my concepts to you...or I'll start thinking seriously on some concepts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sanctuary.gr
05-09-2011, 04:06 AM
man if you do not go and thing of abilities, story and stats as i did in elves fanction then it takes only 20 min.

BlueLore
05-09-2011, 07:10 AM
the new lineup looks much better than the one before.

But I think,the sameda/deraga are utterly pointless,I mean you even said,that their name is completely invented.
And I would also prefer the djinn above the lightning spirit,since the djinn is classical.

I don't know why people always say,that the phoenix should stay as a summonable creature,I mean until now there was only one game where they were completely unavailable for a faction,so I think it is ok to use him as a tier 7.

sanctuary.gr
05-09-2011, 07:23 AM
in this heroes there will be a lot of female units and every fanction must have one or two.
i created a magical female unit that pocess fire magic in order to put a female character in this faction.
personally i would prefere the lighting spirit as tier 2 but if academy is the only fanction in expansion that have no women then they will kinda look like gay.
i would like another suggestio on a female tier 2.
as about gargoyle similar to h3 just consider that tere can be upgraded and the photo resembles the basic form of gargoyle (not for all units).

BlueLore
05-09-2011, 02:50 PM
if you want a female unit,you could just turn other units into females,for example the djinn could be female(we had this already in H3),or you could bring back the rakshasa(turning the mage into a core unit),who could be female,or a female asura(asuras are deities,in hinduism and buddhism, who seek for power in order to surpass the devas(who are like half-gods),sometimes described as demons,they are often depicted with 3 faces and 6 arms)would also be cool,especially since the myths of the asura,who try to surpass the devas,is similar to how the wizards are trying to surpass the dragon godshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

sanctuary.gr
05-09-2011, 02:58 PM
female genie nice idea.
still hate gremlins :-)

castiel_gabriel
05-09-2011, 06:43 PM
making a faction it all about experiencing you have to try again and again chimera is good i like it gandalf wizard make me think of the one in heroes 2 witch gave my childhood so much joy ahhhh tears in my eye i miss those old games (Die maggot feel the power of my 2D ray of destruction). Heu heum back on topic add a tier 1 shooter anything that is not a gremlin cause i agree with you i hated them even if they where useful (something didn't feel right about them maybe because they were to similar to goblin at least for me)

good job i think your on the right track keep it up