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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:07 PM
Bravo Blitz_Pig Rock! It's about time some of these posters/pousers realized that trying to turn this forum into what so many other forums have become won't be tolerated. I've only been here since spring and I, like other people have noticed, it has taken a definite turn for the worse. Despite this it's still THE best forum I've visited and still the only forum I participate in.

Let me take a moment to thank the many community members who have helped me out, given me needed info, provided me with humour, helped me with technical problems, taught me history, gave me tips on flying and tactics, given me new and interesting places (on the web) to visit and in general made this forum a pleasant place to visit.

The vast majority of the community are fine people and I was concerned that some of our best might be leaving. It appears that Jersey D has deserted us and Hunter 82 is considering same.

Blitz_Pig Rock you have my full support. If the mods can improve the overall tone of this forum we might lure back our better members who have left us and keep those people who are considering bailing out in the pilots seat.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:07 PM
Bravo Blitz_Pig Rock! It's about time some of these posters/pousers realized that trying to turn this forum into what so many other forums have become won't be tolerated. I've only been here since spring and I, like other people have noticed, it has taken a definite turn for the worse. Despite this it's still THE best forum I've visited and still the only forum I participate in.

Let me take a moment to thank the many community members who have helped me out, given me needed info, provided me with humour, helped me with technical problems, taught me history, gave me tips on flying and tactics, given me new and interesting places (on the web) to visit and in general made this forum a pleasant place to visit.

The vast majority of the community are fine people and I was concerned that some of our best might be leaving. It appears that Jersey D has deserted us and Hunter 82 is considering same.

Blitz_Pig Rock you have my full support. If the mods can improve the overall tone of this forum we might lure back our better members who have left us and keep those people who are considering bailing out in the pilots seat.

S! Sir!

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10-12-2003, 12:42 AM
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10-12-2003, 09:34 AM
blitzpig is a great mod as well as ven and the rest!! I take my hat off to all of them!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:38 AM
I wouldn't be offended if the mods permanently banned half the people who post here. A line has to be drawn and serious action must be taken. The mods have my full support./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:33 AM
To newcomers threads like this one look like a desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views of those with whom you disagree. If you really want this forum to stay lively and healthy then new blood with new perspectives and ideas will do it.
I read these forums for entertainment as well as all the good things mentioned already, discussion on flap designs ard helix angles is all very well but a good flame thread is more entertaining, whats wrong with having both?
It's a strong and healthy society that can tolerate dissent and disagreement, suppression of expression be it bigoted ill informed or otherwise is not the answer.


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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 11:12 AM
lock an load......hey flapbuster that sig looks to be from that playstation motorcycle race game that you could hit others with pipes and kick them...roadrash was it? the soundtrack was all soundgarden....awesome fun

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 11:21 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- lock an load......hey flapbuster that sig looks to
- be from that playstation motorcycle race game that
- you could hit others with pipes and kick
- them...roadrash was it? the soundtrack was all
- soundgarden....awesome fun
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- www.fighterjocks.net (http://www.fighterjocks.net) home of the 11 time Champions
- Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. Semper Invictus!
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Damn! I've been found out!
I knew someone with a long memory would recognise it.
Yep its Road Rash alright, there was a PC version, I kept all the pics from that game, they were so funny.


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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:41 PM
Flames are part of a public forum. The mods have their hands full here with the amount of nationlism etc... that pops up in alot of threads. Must be a tough job.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:54 PM
Salutes to the mods they have to deal with a lot of crap and still seem to do their job well /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:26 PM
flapbuster wrote:
- To newcomers threads like this one look like a
- desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views
- of those with whom you disagree.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Threads like these are this forum at it's worst.

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10-12-2003, 06:27 PM
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BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 07:20 PM
Thanks for the words of encouragement - it helps, really /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We`ve (the mods) tried every other way now its time just to draw the line and stick to it.

We are entering a new phase with this game, weve had IL2 and FB now we are all goingto start looking forward to BoB and the expansions to FB.

We want new users here to feel welcome and hopefully stay.

If this means that some of the more arrogant older users have to be banned to stop them from abusing or flaming then so be it.

This will happen - this is the "warning" phase, trying to spread the word. Soon, real soon the banhammer will start to fall - I think this place is going to lose a lot of the "old names" in the next couple of weeks.

We just want a forum thats pleasant, full of useful or interesting info, somewhere were the guys at Maddox might feel like popping in just for a bit of interaction, not somewhere where you go to read the latest flame.

We will also be stopping spam and pointless posting or critisism - if you want to insult ubi (politely) then of course we will let you have your say, but endless posts on the front page saying that "ubi suxxs" will just be deleted.

If you dont stop when we ask nicely then we are just gonna ban.

The people here who remember when Stormin was community manager may not remember that one of his mottos was "ban first - ask questions later", this is going to be my attitude.

You might not believe it but the mods would much rather have nothing to do and noone to ban. Its not always fun getting the nasty pms /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Its even less fun to read through a 15 page thread looking for insults. You have no idea how crap that is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Oh - noone is sucking up to the mods or forming a clique, take your paranoia elsewhere. All I see are people that would appreciate the change and those who oppose it are of no consequence to me anymore.

This is a bit of a generalisation but those that oppose this move are the ones that will be getting banned. Amongst others.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:21 PM
"- To newcomers threads like this one look like a
- desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views
- of those with whom you disagree."


Yes, so true.


It reminds me my children years at school where there were always some boot lickers always ready to help the teachers to rule the class with an even stronger hand and to gain by this way some little advantages. A pathetic attitude!

In the army too, I remember also cleary these soldiers always near the boots of the platoon leader! No dignity!

Cheers,

BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 07:26 PM
No-ones views will be suppressed - apart from the fools that cant express themselves without either using insults or insinunation (sp?).



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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:27 PM
An easy solution for getting again a friendly forum: ban simply for a few days EVERY posters making unpolite PERSONAL remarks. If it's done systematically and WITHOUT personal preference or "club attitude", a quiet feeling will come again fast. But again to succeed in this way, it must be strongly remembered that real justice must be blind!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:32 PM
BlitzPig_Rock wrote:
- Thanks for the words of encouragement - it helps,
- really /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- We`ve (the mods) tried every other way now its time
- just to draw the line and stick to it.
-
- We are entering a new phase with this game, weve had
- IL2 and FB now we are all goingto start looking
- forward to BoB and the expansions to FB.
-
- We want new users here to feel welcome and hopefully
- stay.
-
- If this means that some of the more arrogant older
- users have to be banned to stop them from abusing or
- flaming then so be it.
-
- This will happen - this is the "warning" phase,
- trying to spread the word. Soon, real soon the
- banhammer will start to fall - I think this place is
- going to lose a lot of the "old names" in the next
- couple of weeks.
-
- We just want a forum thats pleasant, full of useful
- or interesting info, somewhere were the guys at
- Maddox might feel like popping in just for a bit of
- interaction, not somewhere where you go to read the
- latest flame.
-
- We will also be stopping spam and pointless posting
- or critisism - if you want to insult ubi (politely)
- then of course we will let you have your say, but
- endless posts on the front page saying that "ubi
- suxxs" will just be deleted.
-
- If you dont stop when we ask nicely then we are just
- gonna ban.
-
- The people here who remember when Stormin was
- community manager may not remember that one of his
- mottos was "ban first - ask questions later", this
- is going to be my attitude.
-
- You might not believe it but the mods would much
- rather have nothing to do and noone to ban. Its not
- always fun getting the nasty pms /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- Its even less fun to read through a 15 page thread
- looking for insults. You have no idea how crap that
- is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
- Oh - noone is sucking up to the mods or forming a
- clique, take your paranoia elsewhere. All I see are
- people that would appreciate the change and those
- who oppose it are of no consequence to me anymore.
-
- This is a bit of a generalisation but those that
- oppose this move are the ones that will be getting
- banned. Amongst others.

Excellent news,Blitz. And this claim about "cliques" is ridiculous. There are simply folks that believe the immaturity on these boards has gone too far....



Message Edited on 10/12/0301:38PM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:36 PM
Necrobaron, one P-47 should be enough /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:38 PM
Ooops,can't ever have too many!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I'll fix it....

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BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 07:41 PM
CHDT wrote:
- An easy solution for getting again a friendly forum:
- ban simply for a few days EVERY posters making
- unpolite PERSONAL remarks. If it's done
- systematically and WITHOUT personal preference or
- "club attitude", a quiet feeling will come again
- fast. But again to succeed in this way, it must be
- strongly remembered that real justice must be blind!
-
- Cheers,
-

Thats pretty much whats gonna happen with one major difference (in my eyes)

If youve been banned or warned before - the next ban will be permenant.

If you do something that we think sucks big time then your first ban may well be permenant.

We have tried temp bans and people just come back, behave for a week then start again so we have no choice.

Other than that, your spot on - including the bit about "club preferance", squads or posts counts wont save people. Neither will how much useful info they squeeze inbetween the regular flame wars that they have.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:49 PM
"banhammer" ... I love it. GO MODS!

This is the first forum I've attempted to participate in and was almost ready to give up due to the lack of respect some show towards others.

After following a link from this forum to another sim forum, I saw a marked contrast where members were having an informative discussion with no interruptions then an "edited" post showed up in red letters then another and another from the same user who finally logged off spewing insults about not being allowed to insult members of the forum. Quick work by the moderator was obviously the key to the friendly atmosphere of that forum.

Here's hoping the same can happen here.

The word "troll" was not in my vocabulary before but after a few visits to this forum the meaning started to sink in.

Scenario on how to mobilise the trolls:

"So how do we undermine Sun Microsystems ... oops other project ... so how do undermine IL2 Sturmovik."

"No problem boss we'll go into their forum and post friendly, helpful replies ... at first and we'll sound very witty and knowledable on things aeronautical then when the time is right and we've built up some credibility we'll muddy the waters by interrupting and sidetracking the better discussions, we'll harrass the newbies so they get discouraged and we'll create a dysfunctional atmosphere to wear down the rest ..."

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:52 PM
Ok, this could work, I hope.


But just a remark.

If someone comes with good datas (original pics, charts or WWII pilot testimony...)but about a hot topic like the trim or the cockpit visibility for instance and that an other guy comes with the usual arguments "you, moron, whiner etc..., I hope too that such a guy would be "moderated" with the same severity.

to say the truth, for me, trolls and whine-whiners should be put in the same bag ;

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:01 PM
Confessions. I just called somebody a "microsoft noob" (my fave insult) then read this thread and so I went back and Deleted the comment, without comment. Maybe this can work.

Once I went over to simhq but I didn't feel like fitting in, the insufferable politness and lack of bashing over there.

I have become ubized. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:02 PM
Another friendly remark /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes, flamewars can be very annoying especially when political remarks are involved.

But a forum without a good flamewar frome time to time risks to become very fast ueberboring!

After all, it's a forum about a war simulation and if you know real fighter pilots, there are not sissies drinking tea with one finger up, but on the contrary agressivity is a real part of their job and in some ways a forum about an airwar sim should reflect that too. Ok for some more moderation, but I wouldn't really like to see this forum being transformed in a "Teletubbies" forum, where the sky is always blue and the sun always high /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

In my opinion, a good moderation should be "moderated" but straight, an iron hand BUT with smooth gloves.

Cheers,

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10-12-2003, 08:03 PM
You should read SimHQ a little more. Lots to choose from over there./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:03 PM
Rock is rbj. I have proof.

BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 08:04 PM
CHDT wrote:
- If someone comes with good datas (original pics,
- charts or WWII pilot testimony...)but about a hot
- topic like the trim or the cockpit visibility for
- instance and that an other guy comes with the usual
- arguments "you, moron, whiner etc..., I hope too
- that such a guy would be "moderated" with the same
- severity.

My take on that scenario (if it helps) is

The guy that comes into a thread and posts anything off topic like "fneb" or "my ar$e itches" or "you suck" or a photoshopped picture is a candidate either for 1 warning or just stright in with the ban.

By the same token if the guy who makes the thread responds in kind, then he (or she...?) would get the same treatment.

And if the person starting the thread is just going over old ground again and again (call it clever tactical trolling if you like) then they are also candidates to expect a visit from Mrs Banhammer. Only certain people seem to do this last thing and therefore this really only applies to them.

Hopefully we can clarify this in a good set of clear rules soon, to make it more obvious for people and give em a chance to see what to expect.

The ORR is a different story - how ubi and Oleg want that place to work is hopefully being discussed as we speak. I hope that some of the changes weve asked for will come about but it would be wrong for me to go into detail but try to believe that we are pushing for some changes.





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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:11 PM
"Once I went over to simhq but I didn't feel like fitting in, the insufferable politness and lack of bashing over there.

I have become ubized"


Luthor, it's funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing as you!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

For instance, the Strike Fighters forum on SimHQ has become now some kind of military zone under martial law. If a simple customer, not even a troll, goes there and just write the single word "patch", he is immediately shot down!

In my opinion, that's the the best way to make new customers fly away and destroy the spirit of a sim!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:15 PM
Blitzbig, if I understand the need of some disciplin, a living forum needs too some gonzos posting stupid Photoshop pics!

I fear as much a forum filled with flame wars as a forum which would look like a calvinist congress or a reeducation camp!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:19 PM
CHDT wrote:
- I fear as much a forum filled with flame wars as a
- forum which would look like a calvinist congress or
- a reeducation camp!
-
- Cheers,
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:24 PM
Rock wrote:

"And if the person starting the thread is just going over old ground again and again (call it clever tactical trolling if you like) then they are also candidates to expect a visit from Mrs Banhammer. Only certain people seem to do this last thing and therefore this really only applies to them."

You mean like the countless, agonizingly stupid 190 forward view threads where the jerks constantly Challange Oleg over the most nit-picking little thing.
& then contenuie even after he says : "Fw-190 veiw is corect. it wil not be changed. Be Sure" & yet they contenue on with it any way. It's threads like that in the ORR IMO that lead to that Anouncement at show in England.
Anything like this should be gone.


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10-12-2003, 08:27 PM
CHDT wrote:
- Blitzbig, if I understand the need of some
- disciplin, a living forum needs too some gonzos
- posting stupid Photoshop pics!
-
- I fear as much a forum filled with flame wars as a
- forum which would look like a calvinist congress or
- a reeducation camp!

Yup there is a balance - it wont be easy to find.

Thats were you lot come in /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Id welcome any critisism - pms only though, no need to discuss stuff in public - you just know we have to lock those threads as people just use em to attack. But by all means tell us were we go wrong or even where we go right !1/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .

Oh and I mean nasty or insulting photoshopped pics, not just child safe or even slightly risque funny and preferably relevant pics.




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10-12-2003, 08:30 PM
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10-12-2003, 08:36 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Like your sig.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - hes a legend of broadcasting.

Anyone whos ever seen the Old Grey Whistle Test would confirm it.

He scared some of the users at the Splinter Cell forum the other day - I couldnt believe it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif




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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:48 PM
"- To newcomers threads like this one look like a
- desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views
- of those with whom you disagree."

The newcomers that have posted are relieved there's gonna be some house cleaning. I haven't read one newbie concerned about the ominous chill on their free speech. Just the opposite.

Disagreeing is not the problem. Its disagreeing because you can't handle any disagreeing with you. That attitude goes right to the core. That person who simply holds a different point of view - is dirt! That's the suppression of views.

I don't want rigid limitations either and maybe there's reason for everyone who enjoys genuine sharing of ideas to be concerned. I got a post locked today and I'm not quite sure why, maybe its too OT. I think this forum would be boring if there wasn't some latitude in this regard, its seems a good deal of such topic even the Mods enjoy.

At least we do have the openness to discuss it. That already says a lot to me. I know from watching the Mods in these past few months there's no desire to be heavy-handed. That's concerned me much more than the potential for a sledge hammer.

BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 08:54 PM
arcadeace wrote:
I got a post locked today and I'm not quite sure why, maybe its too OT.

No big deal with your thread - its just that posts inviting people to become mods (even when started by the CM) tend to just invite trouble in one form or another.

This thread is far more useful as people are 99% very constructive and that can only help us help the forum.





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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:15 AM
Why do people think that just because the mindless few will be stomped on that the forums will become boring?? There are a lot of decent funny guys out there. Take Smoke Jaguar for example.....decent guy,amusing, informative, level headed and i cant ever recall him making childish or stupid remarks or posting the word "fneb".And there are loads more like him.

Posting fneb is NOT amusing.Its boring and mindless...so by banning the boring and mindless people, the forums will become fun again.

Good luck BP Rock....i think your gonna need it!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:26 AM
Jeez though even this a privately funded forum you guys are sounding like we're the greyshirts and you boys are the brownies, end of the 2nd reich.

The only ones I've seen in general and tech are RJB (plural because of his aliases) that stir up trouble (but he's been quite).

I'm also a bit curious about the meaning of this: "gonzos posting stupid Photoshop pics."


I also believe that new blood is needed in the forums and we've seen a few in the tech support forum that have stepped up to the figurative "plate".

I know that you're not going to ban everybody that propounds that "the dihedral is incorrect on the 109g2, but this thread is just asking for trouble.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:30 AM
Rogodin wrote:
- Jeez though even this a privately funded forum you
- guys are sounding like we're the greyshirts and you
- boys are the brownies, end of the 2nd reich.
-
- The only ones I've seen in general and tech are RJB
- (plural because of his aliases) that stir up trouble
- (but he's been quite).


I use the tech forum to give good sound advice, and maybe learn a thing or two as well. It's biased people like Rogo who post 5 times in a row and think anybody who agrees with me is an alias that are the root of the problem. I'm getting a little sick of this "blame it on RBJ" mentality. Some guy even said I was whining in Oleg's ready room. What talking about trim once every 2 months? If everything was so great "in the old days" then how come we talked about trim 10x more? No, you can't blame anything on me. I am just a casual observing ace with some input.

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 05:47 AM
I'll take a guess Ray.

You talked about it 10x as much then?

How'd I do?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:31 AM
Buzz, you did very poorly.

We talked about trim 10x as much and guess who wasn't whining ... me.

I took pshycology class and can tell one thing, when a post is made such as Hunter's, often the biggest offenders are the first to reply.

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:31 AM
Cmon Ray. You have a selective memory. You started 90% of the trim threads.

In IL2 it was that it wasn't an exploit. In FB it was it's too slow. There wasn't one thread that you didn't have 50% of the posts in it.

You are the trim master. Or have you forgotten already?

How do you think you got popular? Now you turn your back on your beloved trim? How cruel.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:43 AM
BlitzPig_Rock wrote:

Oh - noone is sucking up to the mods or forming a
- clique, take your paranoia elsewhere. All I see are
- people that would appreciate the change and those
- who oppose it are of no consequence to me anymore.

Do you really believe that a comment such as:

To newcomers threads like this one look like a desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views of those with whom you disagree

...is borne of paranoia?

Just so that we're not at the mercy of the subjectivity of an individual moderator why not post a sticky with the forum rules outlining what is acceptable and what is not.
How do we know if we're breaking a rule if we dont know it exists?



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:46 AM
we dont have stickys. much to the mods frustrations

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:08 PM
Copperhead310th wrote:
- Rock wrote:
-
- "And if the person starting the thread is just going
- over old ground again and again (call it clever
- tactical trolling if you like) then they are also
- candidates to expect a visit from Mrs Banhammer.
- Only certain people seem to do this last thing and
- therefore this really only applies to them."
-
- You mean like the countless, agonizingly stupid 190
- forward view threads where the jerks constantly
- Challange Oleg over the most nit-picking little
- thing.
- & then contenuie even after he says : "Fw-190 veiw
- is corect. it wil not be changed. Be Sure" & yet
- they contenue on with it any way. It's threads like
- that in the ORR IMO that lead to that Anouncement at
- show in England.
- Anything like this should be gone.


That's my fear exactly. Just because a point it raised and research done that disagrees with a point of view of another member SHOULD NOT be grounds for banning. Go read the threads by Cirx. He has done some wonderful research, posted many, many pictures, and has tons of great information in his threads. Yes, the threads have become clogged with the usual "Oleg haters", but the information provided is absolutely wonderful.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but these forums are for discussion about the flight sim, IL2 - IL2/FB - and possibly BoB. If something is incorrect, does not accurately represent the flight characteristic of a specific aircraft, is graphically inaccurate, or is a bug or glitch in the game, isnt that the purpose of this forum? If it's not, then what the heck are we even coming here?

Im not insinuating anything here, but constructive disagreement is the basis of any healthy forum. Name - calling and insults are a forum's worst enemy. In the point above, I think Cirx did a wonderful job showing (What in his mind - as well as others) is a major visual flaw of the FW-190 cockpit. Perhaps Oleg doesnt wish to review it, perhaps he will when other more pressing matters are accomplished. Who knows. But my point here is, just because a subject does not get overwhelming agreeing approval should not be the basis on whether it is locked or not. Sometimes disagreement is healthy. Look at the Bf109 climb rate issue. If we apply the filter set you suggest, the issue would never have been addressed, and the eventual repair of the automated prop pitch in those aircraft would never have been looked at.

If those type of posts are agonizing to you, simply don't read them. That is the perogative of any reader here at the forum. As it should be the prerogative of any poster to disagree with subject matter, as long as it is done in a respectful manner. Heavily moderated forums are fine, as long as they dont infringe upon that right.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:14 PM
Rock is a big wussy.

He deletes locked threads 'coz he fears my unlocking skills.

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Zayets
10-13-2003, 01:45 PM
Rogodin wrote:
- I'm also a bit curious about the meaning of this:
- "gonzos posting stupid Photoshop pics."

I think he was talking about you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Zayets out

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BlitzPig_Rock
10-13-2003, 04:21 PM
flapbuster wrote:
- BlitzPig_Rock wrote:
-
- Oh - noone is sucking up to the mods or forming a
-- clique, take your paranoia elsewhere. All I see are
-- people that would appreciate the change and those
-- who oppose it are of no consequence to me anymore.
-
- Do you really believe that a comment such as:
-
- To newcomers threads like this one look like a
- desire to form a cosy clique and suppress the views
- of those with whom you disagree
-
- ...is borne of paranoia?
-
- Just so that we're not at the mercy of the
- subjectivity of an individual moderator why not post
- a sticky with the forum rules outlining what is
- acceptable and what is not.
- How do we know if we're breaking a rule if we dont
- know it exists?
-

You are the mercy of all the subjective opinions of the moderators. Its impossible not to be subjective at times.

The bottom line is ubi has given us the admin rights, they trust us and have for up to 2 years depending on the mod in question.

I`m sorry but if you dont like it go elsewhere - no-one forces anyone to come here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The point about the rules is fair enough and I have said (maybe not in this thread, Id have to check /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ) that Thunak is in the process of drawing up a stricter clearer set of rules so we can link in our sigs, link from the front page etc etc. Hopefully this will clear up any ambiguity.

Note that no-one has been banned yet. Yet /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:23 PM
As a relative newbie, can't remember when I joined but it was after the pilots lounge, I too have found it unsettling to see some of mud slinging here.

I guess one-upmanship will always rear its head, that being the nature of a predominantly testosterone audience.

I'm pleased to see that changes are coming, and I look forward to seeing them implemented.

Newcomers will, I am sure, feel more comfortable making their first posts, without fear of putdown, and the community will continue to grow.

I spend 8 hours a day here (my wife thinks I work at 'work') and read most threads. I have gleaned so much information on both the Second World War (politics, strategies, combatants and hardware) and the amazing flight sim we all profess to enjoy. I have also learned much about how low some will stoop to score 'virtual points' by inflicting real misery with little or no regard to others sensibilities.

I was shocked to see a taste of it in this thread too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

My full support to you Rock (and Bob Harris - there's a blast from the past /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:01 PM
To be blunt, it doesn't matter whether these threads look bad or not. These forums have picked up a reputation rivalling that of Tribal War, and most Counter Strike forums. Newbie don't last here long; they get flamed to a crisp often within minutes of their first post. I have had to actually tell newcomers to the game *not* to visit the official forums, because the tone here has been so bad. *That* is what the new policies are trying to fix

Frankly, if the forums need cleaning, then they need cleaning; it doesn't matter whether or not it makes the mods look facist to newcomers or not, and these forums need cleaning, badly.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:59 PM
Yea. Clean them up. I've read all the posts up to this point in this thread. The three to five post that had negative opinions about our mods cleaning house are definitely in the minority. When I was new to this game, it took some courage from me to make my first post here. And feeling like I had to be apologetic for my ignorance of the game so others wouldn't flame me. Now, that is a sad situation. One I'm sure ubi dosen't want a new player to have to experience. I didn't call it flaming then. I just didn't want any mean responses to my noob question. I wasn't a noob child or young person. I was a noob older man. I could, and can see, where a new player that isn't as thick skined as age makes a man, would be scared to even ask a question, much less participate.

I'll put it this way. I feel it is bad enough that I willingly and gratefully give my so-called rights, to a moderator, to implement what is right or wrong, with a post of mine. I will trust their judgement to get rid of those who do wrong to others, wether by flaming them or showing utter disrespect for anyone. I S! you all.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:09 PM
Heard through the grapevine everyone will have to pass an anal retentive test in order to post here in the future. I fully support this measure, as no forum should become a place for sick funness. Fun people need to be banned.

Period.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:10 PM
This thread is living proof that this forum has gone to hell in a handbasket over the past year.

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10-13-2003, 07:13 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:16 PM
<h1>FNEB</h1>

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:18 PM
<h1>FNEB</h1>

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:28 PM
Free Nero!

Cough cough...

This place has been useless for ages. I can't remember the last time I read anything new to me here.

Good luck with this tho


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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:33 PM
Trying to create a pleasant atmosphere by perma-banning people and being anal retentive about the rules isn't a recipe for success IMO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:35 PM
Really? It works fine on the RSC forum. A very pleasent forum to visit if your into race sims, or racing in general.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:15 PM
Posted by BlitzPig_Rock:

"The ORR is a different story - how ubi and Oleg want that place to work is hopefully being discussed as we speak. I hope that some of the changes weve asked for will come about but it would be wrong for me to go into detail but try to believe that we are pushing for some changes."

Yes and don't forget that there is also a cultural divide at play here: while us "westerners" are used to dish out some spicy criticism on anything we don't like/disagree with, there will be a different approach to this in the former Soviet Union I am sure. For me, a "westerner", it is quite easy to keep my appreciation(s) of the person and his work clearly separated. But this might not be as obvious to others, as it is to me.

For instance: when you find the 1st work of a musical composer a fantastic piece, but you really dislike his next one, then for me it is almost a natural thing that any criticism towards that second piece doesn't mean that you've all of a sudden started to dislike everything associated with it's creator, but simply can not appreciate his second work as much as his first. Nothing more, nothing less. And that you simply hope the guy will be back in good shape in his next creation.

So, yes it will probably be hard for you guys to find the middle ground here, but I would say it might need some more stringent moderating than what is happening right now, simply to prevent the ones who's work is being discussed to feel personally insulted every time their work is subject to criticism. And even then the fact remains that this last tendency will hardly ever be fully under your control. But I'm sure a more clearly drawn line will be of help here in any case. And let's not forget that it might be "just another game/flying simulation" for us, but for them it's also about their lifelyhood.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:16 PM
Helo's, i thought you used to be a mod here?? Is that behavior just sour grapes or something?? Sad.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:30 PM
hunhunter-texas wrote:
"Helo's, i thought you used to be a mod here?? Is that behavior just sour grapes or something?? Sad."

Actually, what I believe you're seeing is people who were posting and supporting this game before it had reached the terrible twos getting progressively peeved by the systematic virtual extermination of the forum and game they helped support. Your sad sour grapes are others final farewell to a once really fun place, where you could share a laugh. Afterall this is a game right? This is suppose to be entertainment right? At what point did someone decide this to be something more is beyond me, seems people are most interested in coming here and pretending to be game developers and professional whiners too meaningless in life to get some actual respect so they attempt to get some virtual respect by spouting repetitive posts on performance tactics, shift-f1 and how Oleg will screw them over next. Well fneb it, it's a shame to see a forum slip like a dinosaur into the tarpit of extinction throwing it countless ropes only to have it hang itself again and again.

so let it be fnebbed so let it be fnebbened

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:40 PM
The forum has gotten so bad I have considered selling my name and password on E-bay.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:48 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- The forum has gotten so bad I have considered
- selling my name and password on E-bay.

It just wouldn't be the same.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:52 PM
Jeez, Mutt. Have a peach man!

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 09:56 PM
I sold BuzzU for $10,000. He should be showing up soon.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:57 PM
I sold Earl for a "bomb pop"

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:59 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I sold BuzzU for $10,000. He should be showing up
- soon.
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Less than a dollar per post. Pppffffffttttttttttt!

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 10:03 PM
You'd only get $500 bucks then Demo../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:10 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- You'd only get $500 bucks then Demo../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Hey! I actually have over 900 posts, but this stupid forum doesn't show any changes before I cross the magical 1000-post barrier...

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 10:12 PM
Are you counting them?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:17 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Really? It works fine on the RSC forum. A very
- pleasent forum to visit if your into race sims, or
- racing in general.

I'm a noob here - RSC is the only other forum I visit. I'm just about over the initial culture shock that is the Ubi forum /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif ...well done to the mods for stamping on the worst of the spoilt brats. There's plenty of good stuff in these forums, it's just hard to locate it sometimes.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:19 PM
I think I posted in the LOMAC forum and what do I see below my name? "Over 900 Postings". I thought I had less than that.

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 10:21 PM
Repco,

Yes RSC is a good forum. I've got 6000 posts over there.

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