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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:31 AM
Progress:

Panel and rivet lines finished. first shot of color applied.
Jippo has made numerous minor 3D refinements also.

http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_028.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_029.jpg




Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:31 AM
Progress:

Panel and rivet lines finished. first shot of color applied.
Jippo has made numerous minor 3D refinements also.

http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_028.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_029.jpg




Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:39 AM
Looking very nice! Looking forward to flying that puppy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif and dive bombing it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:42 AM
Amazingly stunning, stunningly amazing...bloody good progress /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:05 AM
Why don't we throw in a 40mm cannon for the hell of it, I think a few a models had one poking out the lower front fusilage.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:23 AM
psychopetey wrote:
- Why don't we throw in a 40mm cannon for the hell of
- it, I think a few a models had one poking out the
- lower front fusilage.

Some had 2x37mm, some 1x 50mm and some 1x75mm. But there is little point in making them as they only served in very limited numbers (if at all), and at the moment it is impossible to make them flyable due to lack of resources.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:40 AM
Jippo01 wrote:
-
- psychopetey wrote:
-- Why don't we throw in a 40mm cannon for the hell of
-- it, I think a few a models had one poking out the
-- lower front fusilage.
-
- Some had 2x37mm, some 1x 50mm and some 1x75mm. But
- there is little point in making them as they only
- served in very limited numbers (if at all), and at
- the moment it is impossible to make them flyable due
- to lack of resources.
-
-
--jippo
-
-

...and in addition to what Jippo wrote:

they were experiments and not as successful as the big guns implied;
Flying like pregnant pigs - no fun over large Russian tank battles full of AA /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Take off were dangerous, landings - nothing for new Feldwebels..

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:43 AM
hello hammerd, hello dietger, hello jippo!

you have done great work, and i cant wait to fly this baby.i just whant to say thank you, for your work and i hope that whe can fly the ju88 soon.


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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 10:55 AM
Fantastic!

Thank you very much!

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 11:19 AM
Great work.
This bird was missing from the game from the word go.
You can't have FB without a flyable Ju 88, and same applies for Bf 110 also.
Too bad we can't have a nightfighter version, especially one with the deadly 'jazz'.


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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 12:29 PM
Fantastic Hammerd.Looking really good.This JU88 and the BF110 will make FB complete.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 01:35 PM
Is the 88 more of a level bomber, like the He111, or a ground attack/dive bomber like the Stuka or Thunderbolt? My first guess would be level bomber, just by seeing her (and awesome job on her, by the way), but I really don't know anything about it.


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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 01:47 PM
both, it had dive brakes, and could do level bombing

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 01:48 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- Is the 88 more of a level bomber, like the He111, or
- a ground attack/dive bomber like the Stuka or
- Thunderbolt? My first guess would be level bomber,
- just by seeing her (and awesome job on her, by the
- way), but I really don't know anything about it.

The Ju88 was used in many roles including level and dive bombing, recon, transport, ground attack (with the big guns) and (very) heavy fighter / bomber interceptor

As you might have notices this very version (like most A versions) carries dive breaks which should answer your question.

BTW - I'm very excited about the Ju88C we will get (the one with the 3xMG17 7.9mm + 1xMG/FF or MG151 20mm)

I don't know how it should be possible to bring down bombers with these in FB (try with a bf109e (even stronger armement)) but it will be quite awsome flying this beast.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 01:48 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- Is the 88 more of a level bomber, like the He111, or
- a ground attack/dive bomber like the Stuka or
- Thunderbolt? My first guess would be level bomber,
- just by seeing her (and awesome job on her, by the
- way), but I really don't know anything about it.
-
-

The Ju88 was everything. It could do level bombing but was built for divebombing as well as destroyer and night interceptor. Are you going to make any other versions too as you said some time ago jippo? a C version maybe???? i know we won't get a nightfighter but the day destroyer with a metal nose and guns would be nice too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 02:00 PM
Hammster wrote:
- Progress:
-
- Panel and rivet lines finished. first shot of color
- applied.
- Jippo has made numerous minor 3D refinements also.
-



You have just made my day !!!!


Thanx !!!!



Al

fluke39
09-07-2003, 02:05 PM
Looking excellent as always /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

thank you very much sir /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 02:09 PM
Exvellent work.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 02:13 PM
Aye, A real dive bomber Dave /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:09 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- Is the 88 more of a level bomber, like the He111, or
- a ground attack/dive bomber like the Stuka or
- Thunderbolt? My first guess would be level bomber,
- just by seeing her (and awesome job on her, by the
- way), but I really don't know anything about it.


Well Ju-88 really did lot of things. It served as an succesful bomber both level and dive as people have already stated. It was also used as a heavy day fighter/intruder (C-2/C-4/C-6), Night fighter (C-6, R's, G's), fast bomber (S's), long range reconnaisance (D's, T's and H's), and torpedo bomber (A-4 Torp, A-17). There was even a special variant fo the East Front which had the possibility to carry MG-pods for strafing Russian infantry, the A-13. (Up to 25 forward firing 7.92mm MG's)

We will do several of these variants as AI, and of them as many as we can then flyable. Hammerd will publish the AI variants as he works with the templates for all of them. When he is ready to show some progress shots of other stuff, he will. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:12 PM
Gershy wrote:
-
-
- The Ju88 was everything. It could do level bombing
- but was built for divebombing as well as destroyer
- and night interceptor. Are you going to make any
- other versions too as you said some time ago jippo?
- a C version maybe???? i know we won't get a
- nightfighter but the day destroyer with a metal nose
- and guns would be nice too



I'm afraid I have promised an AI C-6 at some point. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Now we will see if I can live up to that promise. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif We will see what the Hamster posts! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:22 PM
Sana_HvJ wrote:

- BTW - I'm very excited about the Ju88C we will get
- (the one with the 3xMG17 7.9mm + 1xMG/FF or MG151
- 20mm)
-
- I don't know how it should be possible to bring down
- bombers with these in FB (try with a bf109e (even
- stronger armement)) but it will be quite awsome
- flying this beast.

Should we do the C with 3xMG17 and 3xMG/FF then? Notice the extra guns in gondola?


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-jippo




Message Edited on 09/07/0303:25PM by Jippo01

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:34 PM
Well the extra MG/FFs would actually boost the Ju88s offensive capabilities, so - SURE, PLZ MORE CANNON

The MG17 only show minor effect on any kind of target. Just today I tried to bring down a group of SB-2s with a BF-109E-4. As you quickly run out of cannon ammo I tried to finish the job using the MGs - I sprayed almost all 7.9mm rounds on one bomber and they hardly did any damage (exept for jamming one engine).

So the 20mm guns are the only true weapon on the Ju88 and the more we have of those the better it is!

BTW - how many ammo will there be for each gun/cannon?
(which engines are you gonna use?)

This bird is gonna be awsome

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:56 PM
There will be 2800 rounds for the MG-17's and 2x60 round drum magazines for every MG/FF on board. So about twice the ammo for the 7.92mm's as well, and it will be of course unsynchronised rate of fire, not like in Emil.

Engines in C-6 are Jumo 211J.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:14 PM
Awesome as Usual Hammerd /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 12:03 AM
What is the likely hood of a flyable S-series fast bomber. My personal favorite.

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:32 AM
I think there was also a pure level bomber only variant, the A-5. It had a slightly greater wingspan than the A-4 and the dive-brakes were deleted.

With the impending zerstoerers; Ju-88C and the Bf-110 do you know if Oleg might be amenable to adding a few more ammo types to the MG-17's repertoire? Currently FB seems to be retaining the old IL2 MG-17 loadout AP-AP-APT (i.e. S.m.K - S.m.K - S.m.K mit L'spur.) It'd be nice to see the API (P.m.K.) bullet (usually 40% of belt composition) and the HEI/Observing (B.Patr) bullet (usually 10% of belt composition.) It'd also be nice to see MG-17 ammunition loaded with v-munition, the high velocity loading specially for the MG-17 (about 50m/s faster than regular 7.92mm.)
I know this may seem a bit cheeky, but as you guys have Oleg's ear an' all could you possibly suggest it?

S.m.K. (Spitzgeschoss mit Kern = pointed bullet with hard core - AP)
S.m.K mit L'spur. (S.m.K mit Leuchtspur = as above with tracer - APT)
P.m.K. (Phosphor Brandgeschoss mit Kern = phosphorous incendiary bullet with hard core - API contains 0.5g phosphorous)
B.Patr. (Beobachtungsgeschoss Patrone = observation bullet cartridge - HEI/Observing)

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:51 AM
A.K.Davis wrote:
- What is the likely hood of a flyable S-series fast
- bomber. My personal favorite.


It seems possible, but is certainly not the first priority at the moment. We will see...


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:54 AM
Grach wrote:
- I think there was also a pure level bomber only
- variant, the A-5. It had a slightly greater wingspan
- than the A-4 and the dive-brakes were deleted.

Only pure level bomber variants that were really produced were the S-series. A-5 = A-4 with the exception that it had Jumo 211F/G engines instead of the 211J's.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 06:37 AM
Hi Jippo,

Oops. My mistake. You are correct. The longer wingspan was introduced on the A-4 (65'7.5" compared to 60'3.25" on the A-3.)
The A-5 introduced a 250kg hardpoint under each outer wing panel as well as the new engines. One reference mentions dive brakes were removed on the A-5. Do you have any info on this? Is it because of the outer wing 250kg stations perhaps?

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:59 PM
Progress:

http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_034.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Ju88_035.jpg


Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:03 PM
When this baby gets flyable I might just turn into a kampfflieger, nice work!


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:08 PM
Thanks to Jippo for the work on the 88, and thanks to everyone on this thread for the answers to my earlier questions. SO here's another one for you. A reference was made to the S version, a fast bomber. Why was it so much faster? More powerful engines? Fewer gun stations? Less fuel (probably not)? Or a combination of many things, like a hot rod?


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:24 PM
Grach wrote:
- Hi Jippo,
-
- Oops. My mistake. You are correct. The longer
- wingspan was introduced on the A-4 (65'7.5" compared
- to 60'3.25" on the A-3.)
- The A-5 introduced a 250kg hardpoint under each
- outer wing panel as well as the new engines. One
- reference mentions dive brakes were removed on the
- A-5. Do you have any info on this? Is it because of
- the outer wing 250kg stations perhaps?


A-5 = A-4 simply put anyway.


There were problems with the availability of Jumo 211J's so they had to do an interim model, the A-5. It is the A-4 airframe with the older 211f or g series engines with slightly less hp.

A-4 has the hard points in the outer wings too, but they were rarely used.

Dive brakes were generally removed from all variants at the later stages of the war in an attempt to gain some speed. They became obsolete as the the high angle dives weren't anymore feasible due to increased and improved AA and fighter protection in the target areas. Dive bombing was performed in shallower dives were the brakes weren't used in order to keep the speed high and minimise exposure to the defenses.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:25 PM
I know many players want big gun or "gunship" style but I would like to know is if possible we will have new kind of bombs that never see in FB before?


Jippo01 wrote:
- Well Ju-88 really did lot of things. It served as an
- succesful bomber both level and dive as people have
- already stated. It was also used as a heavy day
- fighter/intruder (C-2/C-4/C-6), Night fighter (C-6,
- R's, G's), fast bomber (S's), long range
- reconnaisance (D's, T's and H's), and torpedo bomber
- (A-4 Torp, A-17). There was even a special variant
- fo the East Front which had the possibility to carry
- MG-pods for strafing Russian infantry, the A-13. (Up
- to 25 forward firing 7.92mm MG's)
-
- We will do several of these variants as AI, and of
- them as many as we can then flyable. Hammerd will
- publish the AI variants as he works with the
- templates for all of them. When he is ready to show
- some progress shots of other stuff, he will.
--jippo




Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:37 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- Thanks to Jippo for the work on the 88, and thanks
- to everyone on this thread for the answers to my
- earlier questions. SO here's another one for you.
- A reference was made to the S version, a fast
- bomber. Why was it so much faster? More powerful
- engines? Fewer gun stations? Less fuel (probably
- not)? Or a combination of many things, like a hot
- rod?
-


Thanks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S-series had generally top speed of around 600-640km/h at altitude. This was achieved by returning to the earlier Schnellbomber concept that was seen the early prototypes. Aerodynamic improvements in the nose and canopy, reduced defensive armament, reduced bomb carrying capacity (which all leads to reduced weight), much more powerful engines with for example GM-1 injection...

S-3 with Jumo 213E-1 engines with GM-1 injection had 2 x 1750hp compared to A-4 with 2 x 1420hp, and had less weight loaded. Top speed of normal A-4 was somewhere in the range of 450km/h, so the difference is quite big. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:39 PM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
-
- I know many players want big gun or "gunship"
- style but I would like to know is if possible we
- will have new kind of bombs that never see in FB
- before?
-


I will try as hard as I can. It is a very important matter to me personally to have more variable arsenal of bombs available. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:59 PM
Great to know both of us have motivition on it, of course other players may want special bombs too. Thank you!


Jippo01 wrote:
-
- WereSnowleopard wrote:
--
-- I know many players want big gun or "gunship"
-- style but I would like to know is if possible we
-- will have new kind of bombs that never see in FB
-- before?
--
-
-
- I will try as hard as I can. It is a very important
- matter to me personally to have more variable
- arsenal of bombs available. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif -
-
--jippo
-
-



Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:00 PM
Jippo01 wrote:
- S-series had generally top speed of around
- 600-640km/h at altitude. This was achieved by
- returning to the earlier Schnellbomber concept that
- was seen the early prototypes. Aerodynamic
- improvements in the nose and canopy, reduced
- defensive armament, reduced bomb carrying capacity
- (which all leads to reduced weight), much more
- powerful engines with for example GM-1 injection...
-
- S-3 with Jumo 213E-1 engines with GM-1 injection had
- 2 x 1750hp compared to A-4 with 2 x 1420hp, and had
- less weight loaded. Top speed of normal A-4 was
- somewhere in the range of 450km/h, so the difference
- is quite big.
-
--jippo
-
-
-
-
-

I must have it! It's just so...*sniff*...beautiful.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:40 PM
what the round thing on the top in the middle ..looks like a good place for a turret..>?


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:03 AM
Just one question, Does the DIVE BRAKES work now?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:30 PM
JV44Priller wrote:
- Just one question, Does the DIVE BRAKES work now?


What is wrong with the divebrakes now?


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:38 PM
Very very nice ! I bet people will like this plane very much, because they can fly all sorts of missions, and also because it is sooo manouverable - it`s not like being a sitting duck and wait for the fighter to attack, you can evade him quite well by manouvering! When I flew the Ju 88 from external view on DF server, it did wonderful things, the La-5 pilot that attacked was amazed what sort of wild manouvering it can do...

I presume you will add some weathering, then it`s ready to go!


BTW, is there any remote chance for a beutiful, absolutely rocking, JU 188 ?

Oh, and if I can ask this, pleeeaase add as many kinds of external stores as possible... I mean bombload variations, normal and cluster bombs, and maybe those WB 81 machingun pods, too (if possible).

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:48 PM
That's some nice work there, fella's. Keep it up, it's appreciated /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:02 PM
True heros of the community - thanks guys.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:30 PM
Isegrim,

I totally agree with your post!

BTW, there was a discussion about the Ju 188 on the netwings.org IL2/FB development thread last week. Not sure we can get the Ju 188 as flyable at this point, but there is a possibility we could get it as AI. That is unless, Jippo would start a "help me make the Ju 188 flyable" paypal campaign.....

I already sent funds for the flyable Do 335, and would do the same for a flyable Ju188 A-2/A-3 or D-2 version. The Jumo equipped Ju 188 certainly has very eye pleasing lines, specially with the northern camouflage of the shades of RLM 72/73 green with a wavy line of RLM 65. The Ju 188E-2 has been brought up as definately one of the best anti-shipping aircraft of WWII in several publications.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:36 PM
New planes = cool

New "relevant" planes = WAY cool!





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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 11:55 PM
Jippo01 wrote:
- Dive brakes were generally removed from all variants
- at the later stages of the war in an attempt to gain
- some speed. They became obsolete as the the high
- angle dives weren't anymore feasible due to
- increased and improved AA and fighter protection in
- the target areas. Dive bombing was performed in
- shallower dives were the brakes weren't used in
- order to keep the speed high and minimise exposure
- to the defenses.

To everyone, as late in war, they become prefer to use guided bomb like Fritz X or guided missile Hs 293 as safe away from flak and fly higher instead of dive bombing. Of course, not on Ju-88A but for late advanced model like Ju-188 or Do-217. Fw-200 (which already in third party model work) can carry that bomb too. I bet it will be very complex to program it into game since it is not self guide missile like one in modern jet fighter game. It have to be manual control that mean need extra command control on keyboard or mouse or second joystick as who know better than me. Maybe guided missile/bomb will become AI "plane" control by AI bombadier ride in player's bomber. Let's see what Oleg and his team have to say if they can model it to control by player or AI.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:45 AM
Looks great. One question. Since there was already an AI version why new externals? A necessity or just better eye candy ?

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:47 AM
I have been wondering, what's with the dotted lines on some planes wings?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:07 AM
Excellent as usual Hammerd! One question though, what's the white patch on the top-middle of the fuselage? it ooks like a space left for a gunner emplacemt.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:04 AM
HUTCH_HUTCH wrote:
- what the round thing on the top in the middle
- ..looks like a good place for a turret..>?
-
Total wrong! you need to open book of Ju-88 to take a look at it's equipment. I knew what it is for more than 20 yrs.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:23 AM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
-
- HUTCH_HUTCH wrote:
-- what the round thing on the top in the middle
-- ..looks like a good place for a turret..>?
--
- Total wrong! you need to open book of Ju-88 to
- take a look at it's equipment. I knew what it is for
- more than 20 yrs.
-
-
- Regards
- SnowLeopard
-

Well by all means don't enlighten us.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:28 AM
weresnowmonkey won't tell you (cuz he's cunning and sly, like a monkey who's *** is cold), but it's an antenna.

--AKD

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 05:52 AM
Flak_Magnet wrote:
- Looks great. One question. Since there was already
- an AI version why new externals? A necessity or just
- better eye candy ?

Some of the current AI planes don't look too good from close up. Ju-88 needed to have some parts new to have them match more accurately to reality and also to add details when viewed from close like as with external views.

Also engines were redone completely to add more detail. They are right next to the crew all the time so they are very important for the cockpit experience too. So we made the engines little more detailed and added things like high poly exhausts and operatable cowl flaps.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 06:32 AM
Hello Jippo,

Thanks much again for bringing us the flyable Ju 88A-4 & A-14. Greetings also to your partners Hammerd & fellow texturers.

You should consider starting a Paypal flyable campaing for the C-6a. I will send you some well deserved cash as I already contributed to the flyable Do 335.

PS: Ju 88A-4/torp or A-17 would be much welcome as well! I am thinking of Ju 88A-17 laden with 2 topedoes and wearing RLM 72/73 shades of green with a wavy line of 65 light blue for the Norwegian/Finnish area of Ops... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers,

Do 217P

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 07:35 AM
thx a.k. davis ..

and I will look it up .. I was wondering ..

thx

Chin up ..HUTCH


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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:42 AM
Can someone please tell me what that silver colored round hatch-looking thing is on top of the fusalage is? It almost looks like a supercharger intake! Is it an antenna, or a plug from where a turret used to be? I've seen it on so many models of the JU-88, it seems more likely to be something more permanent than a plug for an old turret installation.

Just currious.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:48 AM
"I have been wondering, what's with the dotted lines on some planes wings?"

Shifty, I think they are used to define designated walk ways for the crew. Outside of those lines, the skin is not strong enough to support more than X amount of pounds per square inch.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:31 AM
Rayzor22 wrote:
- Can someone please tell me what that silver colored
- round hatch-looking thing is on top of the fusalage
- is? It almost looks like a supercharger intake! Is
- it an antenna, or a plug from where a turret used to
- be? I've seen it on so many models of the JU-88, it
- seems more likely to be something more permanent
- than a plug for an old turret installation.
-
- Just currious.


yes iv'e wondered about that - it does look *a bit* simlilar to the supercharger thingies on the lightning - but is nowhere near the engine

my guess is it might be some sort of antenna or something

great work BTW hammered (and jippo)

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:43 AM
so it's a hatch?


i thought that was too obvious ..hmm

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Message Edited on 09/11/0310:44AM by Black.Six

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
It's an antenna housing.



http://www.kolumbus.fi/jan.niukkanen/Antenna.jpg


Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:32 PM
Hammster!

Please publish the template once your finished with it... Otherwise I (and many others, probably) will have to drown in our own drool... You wouldn´t want that, would you? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks a million in advance!

GreyBeast_P39

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
do217s wrote:
- Hello Jippo,

- You should consider starting a Paypal flyable
- campaing for the C-6a. I will send you some well
- deserved cash as I already contributed to the
- flyable Do 335.


Thanks for the kind offer, but that is not my style. I will try to do it in any case.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Hammster wrote:
- It's an antenna housing.



And this is how it looks on the fly. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jan.niukkanen/antenna2.jpg


Hammerd got it pretty right, eh?


-jippo