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NekoReaperman
12-23-2005, 07:17 PM
What is your position on it?


I was in a Mustang C just now, and my engine was knocked out, i glided down to about 2000 feet, and put my gear down and flashed my lights (trying to make it clear that i was out of the fight)


2 109's make passes on me untill i am killed, leaving me genuinly angry...

What is your position on killing helpless aircraft?

Kuna15
12-23-2005, 07:24 PM
I would probably kill you too depends on the situation but that's the most probable scenario.

I almost always bail out if there is no hope that some help will arrive.
It is fairly easy to tell when you are about to be killed; for instance your situation sounds like quite hopeless to me; even if he left you there is a chance that you would be killed as crippled Mustang ain't the steadiest platform to land.
Most people will shoot you down online whether you are crippled or not.

My advice to you is always bail out; especially so if you are over friendly territory. Save your virtual life mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

PBNA-Boosher
12-23-2005, 07:30 PM
Not for me. I would sooner escort them as far as they can get, then help them in any way. If they attempt to shoot at me, then I have a problem and I will take them down, no mercy.

T_O_A_D
12-23-2005, 07:32 PM
It's a bit lame, just some point *****s grabbing points.

Let it go.

Next time don't signal just do your best to sneak out, as you would in real life. Or try to get enough altitude to bail and save your kneck.

The only reason to signal is if you have some friendlies near and on comms, and they are wanting to locate you, to kill some bad guys your dragging.


It also sort of depends on the server settings.
If its scripted, or Coop then all kills count towards the rotation/or victory of the map/ mission. So every kill counts in your teams favor, sort of like in real life.

But if its just a unscripted server then its just lamo stuff.


I try to only go after a smoker if the freindly attacker has left the fight,and the smoker is still strong, or the freindly has told me on comms to finish him, I'm not perfect, though sometimes the temptation is strong.

neural_dream
12-23-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
What is your position on killing helpless aircraft?
I'd probably let you go. Maybe not. I'd definitely let you live if you bailed out, but land?, tricky.

-Suppose you see the game as historical sim. Then letting the other go would mean 0 loss to the enemy airforce, just a need for a new engine.
-Suppose you see the game as a game where the best is he with the highest K/D ratio. Then letting you land would be foolish, since it wouldn't count as a kill and the whole dogfight against you would have been a waste of time.

Still, I'm not sure I'd kill you. Why didn't you bail out like a good enemy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif; hadn't you seen there were enemies around or you thought they would let you go?

NekoReaperman
12-23-2005, 07:52 PM
didnt think anyone was dumb enough to drop that low over a crippled (trailing smoke, engine stopped, gear down, lights on) enemy...

LStarosta
12-23-2005, 07:56 PM
In all honesty? I'd blast you to pieces so some @sshole on my team won't find you limping back to base and get the points for shooting you down.

danjama
12-23-2005, 08:06 PM
One on one, i leave you to do wat ya like. If im in a server with others around, its no mercy. Take him down, that means get the wing off, a knocked out engine is not good denough. Get the kill, maneuver, check six!

Feathered_IV
12-23-2005, 08:09 PM
If I was on the edge of a furball and looked down to see a smoking aircraft leaving the fight and crazy enough to draw attention to himself by swithching his lights on....
No offence mate, but I'd take you down too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NekoReaperman
12-23-2005, 08:31 PM
oh no, i didnt turn my lights on untill they started shooting....

Lt.Davis
12-23-2005, 08:36 PM
NekoReaperman,

I need you sincerely answer this question:
If the 109 happen over shoot you and right in the middle of your gunsight, will you press your triggle?

NekoReaperman
12-23-2005, 08:44 PM
didnt wanna break my glide path :-) no engine + low altitude = i need to make it back to friendly lines!

FliegerAas
12-23-2005, 09:24 PM
I stop shooting when I see that the other plane's engine is knocked out. Anyhow, in the heat of the fight I often see it too late...

FritzGryphon
12-23-2005, 09:31 PM
I use machine guns only to make it more interesting.

Conversely, I'm disappointed when opponents let me off scot free, when I'm damaged. It's not nearly as fun.

Nothing better than gliding and dodging, landing, and hitting 'refly' before they can finish you.

Siwarrior
12-23-2005, 09:32 PM
Bail out- A plane is expendable but your life is not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

slo123
12-23-2005, 10:25 PM
i think if there goin down leave to do it i try not to kill the pilot(s)and/or crew if there is one when im shootin if there crash landing i let em and if their bailin i let em do that to

Badsight.
12-24-2005, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
2 109's make passes on me untill i am killed, leaving me genuinly angry... if you do not like getting beaten & killed virtually then play something that doesnt involve combat

Tully__
12-24-2005, 02:56 AM
If the mission goal is kills, I'll shoot anything that's enemy and counts toward the score.

If the mission goal is defend or escort and the "helpless" plane is in no position to threaten my "charges" I'll let it go and find something that is a threat.

carguy_
12-24-2005, 03:11 AM
There was a mission where I would destroy Li2 transport planes.Got 2 and was hit in the engine.Frontline was 20km away,I could use last engine power and 5000m alt to glide.
When I was 2km from the frontline(gliding)@2700m,a lone I16 spotted me,did 2 circles,notcied I am helpless,positioned himself behind me and destroyed me with rockets.
I know his nick.The guy mostly suffers painful death when encountered by me now.

No other enemy planes be it grounded or airborne,wounded or intact is safe when I`m around.

Dolemite-
12-24-2005, 03:33 AM
If it was just you and me, 1 Vs. 1, I'd leave you be. I would actually just fly along side you just to see if you could land your crippled crate.


If it was a full server and I was surrounded by wingmen, (I.E. kill stealers) I'd take ya down with every last bullet I had.

bazzaah2
12-24-2005, 03:42 AM
I'd leave you be. But I like to think that I wouldn't!

FoolTrottel
12-24-2005, 04:01 AM
Shooting helpless aircraft?
Sure. Why not?

Happens to me all the time:

Whenever I'm at the controls, online, my aircraft is definitely helpless... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

They shoot me down all the time...

Have Fun!

x6BL_Brando
12-24-2005, 04:57 AM
I was pursued and shot at by a guy in a coop the other night......and he was on fire! Did I take him down? No...but my wingman did, and I would do the same for him. I've been shot at many times by black smokers, burners, even guys with seized engines. I've been shot down by a few of them.

I've been strafed, rocketed & bombed while sat on the ground I've had people fly deliberate head-ons just because I've flown better than them on that particular occasion, and I've been shot down deliberately while swinging from a 'chute. And d'you know what? I don't give a s--t. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif This is a sim about war. The object is to destroy the other side's men and materiel so that they will not beat you.

It's a hard decision. Do you try to sneak away and glide across the lines? Or do you settle for spending the rest of the war in a Stalag or a PoW camp? Surely it depends on how many bad guys are in the area? Their job is to destroy you and your valuable plane remember? So it's a calculated risk that you're taking in trying to escape rather than bail out and also one which is totally advantageous to you and your side. Follow the logic and you can see that destroying you was the only sensible option from the enemy's point of view.

Of course, it's not very gentlemanly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If it was clear that you would be crash-landing inside enemy territory and would be captured then it might possibly be considered unfair, but I don't think the war was littered with examples of compassion among opposing pilots. The recorded incidents are famous simply because they were so rare. All this wing-wobbling, wheels down, lights flashing malarkey belongs to the 14-18 war - and it was pretty rare in there too.

Even from a gaming point of view it seems like a lame excuse. When was the last time you saw a boxer not hit his opponent because he left his chin unguarded? Or, if boxing's too 'rough' an example for you, apply the same analogy to a game of chess. Learning to accept defeat in a game is honourable, like the chess-master who capitulates when he sees the inevitable end. Rolling inverted and jumping would be honourable, as would escaping unnoticed. But taking the risk and losing out is just the fortune of war, simulated or otherwise.

Hristo_
12-24-2005, 05:15 AM
In a duel, no. The fight is over.

In an open arena, yes. Or, in best case, maybe.

Sometimes it is best to buy some time when the other guy has to nurse his plane home and land instead of joining the action by simply pressing refly. Also, smoking planes attract too much attention - is it wise to drop down deep into enemy territory to finish it ? Are there any other important targets ? Are there friendly planes to protect instead ?

FI-Skipper
12-24-2005, 05:33 AM
If I had plenty of ammo ,there were no other targets and you were lit up like a christmas tree....then yes.

I suppose the moral to this story is never get as badly crippled as you did.Keep a better lookout next time!

Skipper

Grue_
12-24-2005, 05:54 AM
Fly in co-op servers.

Usually your attacker won't chase you down and waste energy if they know you're out of the fight.

mtnman4
12-24-2005, 07:43 AM
Kill or be killed my friend.

Brain32
12-24-2005, 08:14 AM
If you're flying over my territory I will shoot you down...

ploughman
12-24-2005, 08:28 AM
In a game? You're toast, statistic.

Although maybe you could suggest to Oleg that in BoB surrender is a point scoring option as long as you land at an enemy base, and enemy flak'd have to let you in.

MC202zipper
12-24-2005, 08:29 AM
Hi all & compliments of etc.etc...

I have to tell in advance that, being the *** pilot I am, I didn't dare flying online for the moment.

Ditto, as I would like to comment anyway, we have to make a distinction if it's a 1 vs 1 dogfight/map event or not.

Of course it would be a lame thing to do in a 1 vs 1 to kill your opponent when he already signalled you won, but in normal online fighting it would be acceptable IMHO, for the reason that we always scream to have the "real scenario", the "proper" aircraft FM & DM, the "historical" skin.
Well, a crippled enemy is God's gift in real life.
AFAIK the chivalry gestures were a thing of the past in WW2, it happened often in WW1 but were quite rare even in the last months of that war.

AFAIK that rarely happened in WW2 (a german pilot comment on escorting back over the Channel a crippled Hurricane it's even reported in somebody's signature here in the forum, but in the pilot's own words that will never happen again on the Ostfront), but I think this is an exception so rare that I wouldn't blame (apart from the logical steam hissing from my nose... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) the shooter.

S!
MC202zipper

Jetbuff
12-24-2005, 09:13 AM
There is no such thing as a helpless plane; less threatening perhaps which unfortunately translates into easy kill.

IL2-chuter
12-24-2005, 12:23 PM
If I see a plane with a shotout engine on a dogfight server I figure someone else is supposed to get the kill, I don't need to fight over the points with the other hyenas . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Hoenire
12-24-2005, 07:05 PM
I'd shoot you down. Have done it to others and will do it again. I don't particularly care about the chivalry side of things - you either survive or you don't.

If you want to survive, bail or land immediately. If you're over enemy lines then of course try to make it back - sometimes you'll get lucky, other times you won't...

And yes, I'f I'm limping along in a 109 wth a bust engine and a hole in my wing etc, I expect some spit to zoom down and blow me up. I just try and bail when they're close enough so they ram my plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

neural_dream
12-24-2005, 08:56 PM
Chivalry is something you either practice or not. It's not something you can demand.

BfHeFwMe
12-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Fly Fock Wulf's and no one will be able to knock you down.

Freelancer-1
12-24-2005, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
What is your position on it?


I was in a Mustang C just now, and my engine was knocked out, i glided down to about 2000 feet, and put my gear down and flashed my lights (trying to make it clear that i was out of the fight)


2 109's make passes on me untill i am killed, leaving me genuinly angry...

What is your position on killing helpless aircraft?

The thing is, how do I know you're truly helpless?

I've turned away many times and been shot down by someone fooling me. Do what I do and make yourself as small as possible. No lights. No gear down. No jinking all over. Hit the deck and try to blend into the ground.

Of course, if you are in an icons on server, or trailing black smoke, just bail out. You are carrying around a big sign that says "SHOOT ME!".

And don't get angry. The next time you are in the air you will make mistakes. Don't take off again until you calm down.

Phas3e
12-24-2005, 11:37 PM
If a plane turns for home damaged I allways let them go, they know their beaten and I take pride in the fact that I can say S! to them as they limp home http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

One that sticks out to me is once in my 110 I had taken damage in a fight with two Mk2c Hurries,
It was a air start map for red and one of the two I shot down came back right away to intercept me as i flew home.
He chased me for quite some time and caught up as I circled my airfield and spammed all his ammo at me as i weaved around,
long story short.. he didnt get me and had to fly all the way back home with no ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Feathered_IV
12-25-2005, 02:40 AM
A couple of weeks ago on Spits vs 109 I ran into a MkIX that I just couldn't get rid of. I was about 1.5km out from the coast and badly damaged. As a last desperate ploy, I cut my engine and levelled out into a shallow glide. It was a risk but there was nothing else for it. I'd already decided there was no way I was getting my virtual feet wet.

Sure enough I heard him throttle up and zoom upwards from my six to watch me ditch. At an altitude of 200m I restarted the engine and just had enough power to get over the beach before the engine seized for good and I bellied in. Thanks 'RAF_Poker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Well fought, I hope you still got credits for the kill.

HunglikePony
12-25-2005, 03:22 AM
I not shoot defenceless plane or parachute...I wait until land in field then come and land beside him to make sure pilot is ok, if he ok, then I cut out his heart with blunt butter knife and staple to wall back at Sqn next to scrotum necklace I be making for the CO!

FunGus1968
12-27-2005, 10:27 AM
What about this:

I chased a guy for what felt like 5 minutes. He wasn't smoking or anything. He was even egging me on by doing quick little acrobatics. I don't recall the altitude but he was flying level. I suppose he had no ammo. Anyway, just as I am within firing range, the guy bails. I was so pissed, I turned around and shot his chute. I never do this and if he had at least tried to evade me when I was up close, I would have let him go if he communicated that he didn't have ammo and was giving up.

So, was I wrong?

TC_Stele
12-27-2005, 10:46 AM
Fighter pilots come in all shapes and sizes. I had one guy take out my engine and was smoking badly. I quickly belly landed with nav lights on and I thought he was escorting me for my belly land. In actuallity he was waiting for me to belly land to be an easy strafing target!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Airmail109
12-27-2005, 11:37 AM
Who ever lost height to come and finish you off were nothing but utter and total n00bs......i bet they had it handed to them by someone who decided to stay up higher..

MC202zipper
12-27-2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Chivalry is something you either practice or not. It's not something you can demand.

Ditto, SIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

S!
MC202zipper

JFC_Rautaristi
12-27-2005, 12:02 PM
I wouldn't.

If i shot you to that condition i count it as my kill even if it gets stolen. I don't need stats (they are nice to have though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). If some other guy shot you i try not to kill steal.

But if i pass the target and wave my wings and salute as i do and he fires at me (Has happened to me many times) he's as good as dead. If one says his out he has to be out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Still i don't get angry when i get slaughtered. It's normal and is a matter of style. And, to be honest, i have had a couple of occasions when i've done it...

SlickStick
12-27-2005, 12:56 PM
On a DF server, I ask no quarter and I give no quarter. I shoot you until I see "Enemy Aircraft Destroyed" on the right-hand side of my screen, but I will not shoot at planes damaged by other pilots unless they are still assuming an attack posture. I won't give them a chance to shoot to prove they were going to attack, if I can help it.

On a teamplay server, pilot count is as important as plane count and I'm for NOT allowing the enemy to "live to fight another day".

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

MLudner
12-27-2005, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Not for me. I would sooner escort them as far as they can get, then help them in any way. If they attempt to shoot at me, then I have a problem and I will take them down, no mercy.


Then, the time you shot me down on Warclouds who was that attacking me as I glided down to belly-land with a seized engine and strafed me even after I had bellied-in?

I'm not doubting your word, just curious. You were in the P-51, right? I have to admit I never saw the aircraft that shot me down, nor the one who was after me on the way down.

JG7_Rall
12-27-2005, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
In all honesty? I'd blast you to pieces so some @sshole on my team won't find you limping back to base and get the points for shooting you down.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!


r0xx0rz!

JG52_Cyanide
12-28-2005, 02:31 AM
Like I did on Sturmovik.de last night, when it's out of the fight, I break off and head home. The only risk of escorting them home is that his teammates kill you off. If you continue to try and kill him, it means you are more at risk because the original attack (tracers) were probably noticed by both the enemy and point-wh0re friendlies who will do some shoulder shooting....(not always of course)

On pure dogfight servers it's another story; gun them down: mere practice and good fun.

Not ranting, just my cup of tea. And now for something completely different:

If only it were possible to remove all "enemy aircraft destroyed" messages and remove the points/scores alltogether so we could all see what happens. Get rid of stats too, so you won't get people going like: "Ooh, lookey at me; I got 1000 points and a hitrate of 20%". It's gonna be more like: "I had a great night flying, got into some nice dogfights and think I shot down 2 planes, damaged 4"

I might be mistaken, but a lot of people fly for points alone, and having a "modded" server without stats and kill messages alltogether 'could' be a lot more fun. (get rid of the "pilot kill" messages as well).

I'm still heavily in favor of death kicks and the like, because you can see it does a lot for realistic flying behavior (instead of just closing your eyes and dive into any furball blasting all guns and not giving a ****!).

I wonder what would have happened when during the real WWII the enemy pilot would get a "Galland just destroyed Mickey's control cables" message on his windscreen. Or the "Blue is loosing planes in e-4"

But the whole situation is not easily solved; it doesn't matter how much you alter settings, add deathkicks/bans; there's always going to be shoulder shooting, ramming, kill stealing and the 6 spits following the lone 109 with several spits shooting themselves down......

But to get back to topic, before people start thinking i'm ranting and raving my sox off....

It doesn't matter what happens in the given situation: even during WWII you had people gunning you down, helpless or not AND you had people escorting you back home.....so eventually it's realistic after all!

Petey78
12-28-2005, 03:52 AM
Worse that ever happened to me was getting an engine set alight by enemy flak in a P38, limping back low and unobtrusively between the hills to my lines, landing on my side of the lines and then, just as I pressed <ctrl E> to jump out and run, some A' hole in a FW190 strafed me and got a PK. I wouldn't have minded so much if he'd been the one who'd set me alight but considering all that I'd survived I was irritated enough to bug out of the server. I really don't think that many RL pilots would waste the ammo to strafe a crash landed aircraft that was burning when there were still active enemy aircraft in the vicinity. Points *****s are bloody annoying, full stop.

zoomar
12-28-2005, 11:45 AM
I can understand the rules against "vulching" as this can make it virtually impossible to take off from a field being vulched, even though it is unrealistic

But I see nothing wrong with killing crippled planes, lights on or off. In a board which can argue ad infinitum about realism, I don't see why there is this support for something as unrealistic as this. In a real war, dropping your gear and turning on your lights is saying, "Shoot me down, I'm helpless." Planes landing and taking off were certainly legitimate targets. That is realism. If you want to survive, either bail out or zoom down to a belly landing as soon as possible.

SlickStick
12-28-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by zoomar:
I can understand the rules against "vulching" as this can make it virtually impossible to take off from a field being vulched, even though it is unrealistic

But I see nothing wrong with killing crippled planes, lights on or off. In a board which can argue ad infinitum about realism, I don't see why there is this support for something as unrealistic as this. In a real war, dropping your gear and turning on your lights is saying, "Shoot me down, I'm helpless." Planes landing and taking off were certainly legitimate targets. That is realism. If you want to survive, either bail out or zoom down to a belly landing as soon as possible.

No vulching servers or no shooting of landing planes or no (enter stupid rule here) servers are the funniest of all and usually run by the point-whoriest of all flyers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MLudner
12-28-2005, 02:47 PM
I have a sneaking sensation we've had a run-in online.
My very first time ever trying to fly on-line (I gave up that night because I discovered I could not take-off successfully due to the fact that my then on-line computer lacked the RAM to cope and was losing track of my rudder pedals which led to a FPS so low I could not manage the aircraft) was on a server in that mission using that tear-drop ring of islands map. I appeared on the pad in my Bf-109K4, spent much time trying to figure out how to get my engine running (For some reason I had to reset my control settings) then I taxied out onto the taxiway and started rolling for the end of the runway. Then an aircraft - a P-51, I believe - came diving down from my right-front and stitched a burst across the taxiway in front of my nose ... then promptly crashed into the pad I had left a minute earlier.
I wonder if that guy - whoever he was - knows what ijo de puta! means, because that's what I was yelling at him as he went past. But, then, I got a good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif out of it when he crashed.

Estocade85
12-29-2005, 11:08 AM
In an online server, I wouldn't follow and kill someone helpless diving away with no elevator and an engine on fire simply becasue it's a TRAP! Drag and bag anyone? I personaly dont have time and energy to waste trying to shoot down an already screwed aircraft just for "Enemy Plane Destroyed" satisfaction. The thing is I probably won't live through it thanks to Mr. 190.

Flying a Jug, I'll stick to air superiority at 9000m. All I have to do is b|tchslap those NMEs so they dive down screaming on the deck while they get eaten alive by the evil spit pirahnas.

Airmail109
12-29-2005, 11:21 AM
Theres nothing better than a good vulching session, its like a good wine....saviour it.....have classical music on whilst u watch those rockets scream into the helpless little planes on the ground and then laugh evily after youve wasted over half a dozen of them...who are all now swearing at you over comms/chat. Now the funniest time was on i think spitfire_v_109 on HL where the entire red squadron decided to form up and go on one big vulch.....20 planes all making a mockery of the blues airbase.....explosions everywhere....blues on fire screaming this way and that.....crashes......bombs goiing off......and to think the blues didnt have the sense to move airbase....

MLudner
12-29-2005, 11:29 AM
I would never so dishonor myself. I take you in the air, even Steven, so that nothing and no one can cheapen any victories I attain.
Win like a man / lose like a man.

Bremspropeller
12-29-2005, 11:30 AM
If it's just a P-51.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SlickStick
12-29-2005, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by MLudner:
I would never so dishonor myself. I take you in the air, even Steven, so that nothing and no one can cheapen any victories I attain.
Win like a man / lose like a man.

I have to agree with Airmail above. A good vulching is fun and is the single-most easiest way to ruffle somebody's feathers online. Even on vulching allowed servers, lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Speaking of ruffling feathers, I ruffled a rooster's feathers last night who was disheartend that he had been vulched on a vulching allowed server. I was amused by his reaction. hehehehe

Vulching for me is the exception, not the rule, but it is fun when it's allowed. I like to take a good fighter like a Spitfire IXe CW and load it with the 500 and two - 250s. Vulch for a couple of scores, dogfight until almost out of ammo and head home for a quick 500+ point sortie.

I've gotten to the point that I'm only responsible for my fun and the way I choose to play the game.

Although taking a plane out of the air is more satisfying for me, nothing is more thrilling than fighting your way through a heavily defended base to deliver your bombs on target, dogfight your way home and land successfully, though not necessarily in one piece. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Airmail109
12-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Its even funnier when 4 of your mates go with you in P-38s loaded up with haravrs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif.....very very effective for vulching....after 4 years of shooting planes in the air i need to spice things up a bit....when theyre taking off heheheh and you aim off with the rockets and then they meet with a big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.... so satisfying...especially when you know the other guy is cursing wondering why his planes just been blown to smithereens.....of course i only do this on vulching alowed serevers....win like a man lose like a man....if you get vulched ona vulching allowed server...dont complain....be a man....oh ill also take you in the air anyday....

Anyway vulching is such a harsh word, I prefer to call it "Airfield Denial" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

SlickStick
12-29-2005, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
....when theyre taking off heheheh and you aim off with the rockets and then they meet with a big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM....

Yeah, I have the same fun with bombs. Usually as you approach their base, they start to taxi into their take-off down the runway and you dive across their path and drop 2-3 second fuse delay bombs out in front of them and just as they roll over them...BOOM!!! Plane bits everywhere.

MWHAHAHAHA!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

FatBoyHK
12-29-2005, 01:19 PM
alternatively, I think you have done somethings very good to your team.... by dragging 2 enmeies down to the deck and suck up their energy, with your basically tossed plane....

may be you should be happy with your achievement http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG5_UnKle
12-29-2005, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
What is your position on it?


I was in a Mustang C just now, and my engine was knocked out, i glided down to about 2000 feet, and put my gear down and flashed my lights (trying to make it clear that i was out of the fight)


2 109's make passes on me untill i am killed, leaving me genuinly angry...

What is your position on killing helpless aircraft?

I would have let you land - you are no threat, what's the point? Plus there is no sport in it.

SlickStick
12-29-2005, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
What is your position on it?


I was in a Mustang C just now, and my engine was knocked out, i glided down to about 2000 feet, and put my gear down and flashed my lights (trying to make it clear that i was out of the fight)


2 109's make passes on me untill i am killed, leaving me genuinly angry...

What is your position on killing helpless aircraft?

I would have let you land - you are no threat, what's the point? Plus there is no sport in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On a DF server I agree, UnKle, what's the point besides personal score. On a scripted map, there is a huge point. Those maps are not about individual goals, but team goals. Allowing the other team to preserve a pilot or successfully land a damaged plane, give's them a resource to re-use. I've always heard it is best to limit your enemy's resources. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

However, I usually do fall back to my number one DF server rule...

"Kill them all. Let the server sort them out."