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Inadaze
10-24-2004, 09:40 AM
Wow, the worlds gettin even whackier! - This is from Yahoo News today -

British military enlists first Satanist

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Armed Forces have enlisted their first Satanist after a naval technician serving on a frigate was granted permission to practice his beliefs while at sea, the Ministry of Defence says.


Defending the decision to allow a Satanist among the Royal Navy's ranks, a ministry spokesman said on Sunday it was an "equal opportunities employer" and did not discriminate against specific religious beliefs.


"He went to his commanding officer with a request to practice his beliefs on board his ship and it was granted ... We believe he is the first avowed Satanist to serve in the military, but there is no official register of beliefs," the spokesman said.


The Sunday Telegraph newspaper said Chris Cranmer, 24, from Edinburgh would be allowed to have a funeral carried out by the Church of Satan should he be killed in action.


The Church of Satan was founded in the 1960s, but Satanism can refer to a diverse set of practices that include viewing Satan as a force of nature.


Members of the church, which rejects Christian ideas of God and the Devil, follow 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth.

The belief system has been condemned as a cult by some religious groups and at least one opposition politician expressed dismay after Cranmer won permission to practice Satanism aboard a Royal Navy ship.

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Inadaze
10-24-2004, 09:40 AM
Wow, the worlds gettin even whackier! - This is from Yahoo News today -

British military enlists first Satanist

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Armed Forces have enlisted their first Satanist after a naval technician serving on a frigate was granted permission to practice his beliefs while at sea, the Ministry of Defence says.


Defending the decision to allow a Satanist among the Royal Navy's ranks, a ministry spokesman said on Sunday it was an "equal opportunities employer" and did not discriminate against specific religious beliefs.


"He went to his commanding officer with a request to practice his beliefs on board his ship and it was granted ... We believe he is the first avowed Satanist to serve in the military, but there is no official register of beliefs," the spokesman said.


The Sunday Telegraph newspaper said Chris Cranmer, 24, from Edinburgh would be allowed to have a funeral carried out by the Church of Satan should he be killed in action.


The Church of Satan was founded in the 1960s, but Satanism can refer to a diverse set of practices that include viewing Satan as a force of nature.


Members of the church, which rejects Christian ideas of God and the Devil, follow 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth.

The belief system has been condemned as a cult by some religious groups and at least one opposition politician expressed dismay after Cranmer won permission to practice Satanism aboard a Royal Navy ship.

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NegativeGee
10-24-2004, 09:47 AM
Lol indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Btw, is your avatar from Cowboy Bebop?

Inadaze
10-24-2004, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Lol indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Btw, is your avatar from Cowboy Bebop? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, Thats Ed, Bebop got me into manga. It's a great series, there are some rumours that they might be making a new set of sessions... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Inadaze

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 09:54 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAArghhhh

bloody country has gone fooking nutz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Still with any luck he will get caught 'practising his beliefs' and they will keel haul him and his fooking goat !!

Inadaze
10-24-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAArghhhh

bloody country has gone fooking nutz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Still with any luck he will get caught 'practising his beliefs' and they will keel haul him and his fooking goat !! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehehehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NegativeGee
10-24-2004, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Inadaze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Lol indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Btw, is your avatar from Cowboy Bebop? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, Thats Ed, Bebop got me into manga. It's a great series, there are some rumours that they might be making a new set of sessions... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Inadaze <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, Bebop is the top dog. The session with the mushrooms was fantastic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif I'd have to say Bebop II would be almost as cool as my copy of PF arriving tommorrow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 10:32 AM
Ohhhhhh yeah and just to prove there are nutters at both ends of the spectrum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3730807.stm

actually I will take that last bit out it probably wasn't with in the spirit of the forum guidlines

TheJoyStick
10-24-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Ohhhhhh yeah and just to prove there are nutters at both ends of the spectrum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3730807.stm

actually I will take that last bit out it probably wasn't with in the spirit of the forum guidlines <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


****, I read the title and coffee came out of my nose =/

That's the funniest thing I will hear all day.

p1ngu666
10-24-2004, 01:02 PM
btw, modern satanism which is what he is isnt classic scarificing goats and virgins stuff, which i could remmber what i read about it

Haele
10-24-2004, 01:08 PM
Satanism, some bollocks pseudo religion invented by that Anton Lavey nutter?

Sounds like all of this other neo-pagan bull**** to me.

Mashie_Nibblick
10-24-2004, 01:30 PM
Reminds me of the old Python sketch about cannibalism in the Royal Navy, or rather the lack thereof. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Maj_Death
10-24-2004, 04:34 PM
Satanism, christianity, islam, do whatever floats yer boat. BTW Satanists do not sacrifice anything generally and the religion has been around for a few thousand years in some form or another. And no they don't worship the devil or any "supreme being."

LStarosta
10-24-2004, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
And no they don't worship the devil <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Then why is it called Satanism?

p1ngu666
10-24-2004, 04:41 PM
its in the satanic bible, i did buy it a long time ago, good read, cant remmber stuff.

irrec it was about worshipping yourself, and called satanism for some wittyish reason.

p1ngu666
10-24-2004, 04:44 PM
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm

seems like a good site http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LStarosta
10-24-2004, 05:08 PM
No offence to anyone, but I find this to be utter BS. Trying to take human nature, including the most stupid aspects and trying to instituationalize them by not institutionalizing them is just... hypocrisy which is the very same thing they appear to hold in high contempt. According to the definitions on that website, practically everyone is a Satanist whether they like it or not just because of their everyday behavior. This stupid 'hate people if they hurt you', or 'smash them if they smacked you', or (symbolically?) 'kill them if they bother you' BS is just poor character and laughable at best, and mentally, socially, and culturally ******ing at worst.


Bad Religion is one of my favorite bands, and that sort of says something about my "conservative values" and puts my opinion into perspective.


Don't go bonkers over my opinion. Please at least tolerate mine and I will respect yours.

SeaFireLIV
10-24-2004, 05:14 PM
There`s something very unsettling about this whole thing....

Charos
10-24-2004, 05:23 PM
Perhaps its called Satanism for the Same reason WYRD is now known in English as Weird (Strange) or Wicca became "wicked" or the Godess Estre become Easter - The victors make all the Rules up as they go dont they.

Not everything is what it seems on the Surface.

LStarosta
10-24-2004, 06:00 PM
EDIT: After a little thought, it'd be best not to delve deeper into the subject in a place like this.

Zatorski
10-24-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
EDIT: After a little thought, it'd be best not to delve deeper into the subject in a place like this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree LStarosta, the quote:
"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Armed Forces have enlisted their first Satanist"
I can guarantee you he's not the first.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-25-2004, 01:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
btw, modern satanism which is what he is isnt classic scarificing goats and virgins stuff, which i could remmber what i read about it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye that may be pingu but I am still coming round your house with a flaming torch and some guys with pitchforks then we are going on to Maj_Death's and Charos's to have ourselves a barbeque. Oh bring your own petrol btw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

All togeather now !!

Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ELEM
10-25-2004, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJoyStick:

****, I read the title and coffee came out of my nose =/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, that's a miricle. I think Starbucks could make use of your talents! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

123-Wulf-JG123
10-25-2004, 04:45 AM
Its as valid as ANY other religion, they are ALL, after all, simply created by men to fulfill whatever psychological need they have, to convince themselves that there is something more to life than the human experience and as a means of social control. Of course the trick is to be one of those that do the controlling! Personally I always like to cut through all the BS to see who or what is actually calling the shots and how they ALWAYS tend to be living very sumptous lives relatively speaking, compared to the "plebs" e.g (Bishops,Priests Muslim clerics,Vllage Witch Doctors, Billy Graham etc,etc) Bottom line is there are those that lead and those that like to be led(the majority),it gives them comfort to have some sort of social structure. There will always be "cute hoors " who will find ways to control the masses. Me, they'll never get me, number one and his family comes first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-25-2004, 05:04 AM
Well IMHO satanism/paganism ect are one of those ones dreamt up by skinny pastey looking chaps who think its gona make em some how more appealing to GOTH chicks.

This is exactley the kind of silliness that gets outta hand when you dont allow the village to burn the odd heratic now and then.

I told em, but would they listen to me?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/tHeBaLrOgRoCkS/20_tim.jpg
No

go here and lighten up you bloody heathens

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-05.htm

p1ngu666
10-25-2004, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Well IMHO satanism/paganism ect are one of those ones dreamt up by skinny pastey looking chaps who think its gona make em some how more appealing to GOTH chicks.

This is exactley the kind of silliness that gets outta hand when you dont allow the village to burn the odd heratic now and then.

I told em, but would they listen to me?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/tHeBaLrOgRoCkS/20_tim.jpg
No

go here and lighten up you bloody heathens

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-05.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm, a rather lovely (in every way) gothic girl i know is pale and a wicca.

and wicca has been around long that christians, most religons fight one another sooner or later when they are really very similer.

and the human mind, well do u care about ppl in spain, banglidesh,russia,america,brazil,england,france AT THE SAME TIME? its impossible to comprehend that number of ppl and there lives

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-25-2004, 07:07 AM
WICCA!!

What you telling me she is some kinda basket case made from bulrushes or something ?!

Bloody Wicca sheesh now that thar is exactley what I am talking about straight outta bloody buffy the bloody vampire slayer!!.

Its not bloody real its just a means of getting chicks into bed and from what I have seen it aint to successful!!

Any minit now we are gona get some bloody pillock post that he is a vampire and that eventually we are gona all end up servants of some vast demonic regime!!

Arrrrrgh people that talk about wicca and bloody beltane wana bloody well look out!!

Cos they are heading the right way for a branding and possible ride on the bloody ducking stool.

if its so blinking kewl how come we aint all bloody well running around in the bufty worshiping crystals and smearing mud on our codlings in winter aye!

Wicca may well have been around before christianity or any other dang metaphysical deity. But my point is they also thought that they had to dance every bloody Beltane and Witsun or whatever in order for the fooking sun to come up.

Smell the marketing ploy matey the only reason its out there is cos some hippy in the sixties started making black bloody candels and gathering quartz for his doped up buddies to play dungeons and dragons with instead of getting a real bloody job like the rest of us and earning a living.

phew sorry about the rant but people that say wicca or worse 'I'm wicca' really fook my brain pan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

P.s I am sure she is a very nice mate I just have issues with witches http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif