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steve_v
12-17-2006, 11:05 PM
and taking no prisoners.

I apologize to our members that had posted on the original thread.

While it may seem unlikey, Ubisoft does listen and respond to the concerns of its customers. This thread is open for members comments, be it copy protection, sales and marketing, or whatever you feel needs addressing.


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Akronnick
12-17-2006, 11:16 PM
But I had such a good rant going on the other thread and since my copy of '46 has shipped I'm not sure I can build up the Righteous indignation to reconstructmy previous post but here goes
1) USA Marketing
2) Better Comunication
3) Non-evil copy protection
4) Avenger
5) whatever my last point was I forgot.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lewicide
12-17-2006, 11:26 PM
Welcom back Mr vent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I now have my copy (store bought) of '46 and tomorrow with great trepidation I will attempt to load it.

However I do have an older CD/DVD/reader burner which puts me in the "at risk" category for securRom rapage.

I intend to load it on while keeping my original IL2 on the system (two seperate installs) so I have my original available for no DVD flying. (How do I do that or does the securerom interfere with that?)

Hopefully all will go well.

Don't like this securom thing.
I have Doom 3 on the system and it just seems to use a serial key and doesn't need the CD to be in to play. Couldn't Il2 use this sort of protection?

Waldo.Pepper
12-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Ubisoft does listen and respond to the concerns of its customers.

Indeed they are very friendly and hugable. Don't hate them. Or worse still, cease buying their products.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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foxyboy1964
12-18-2006, 12:30 AM
This isnt a vent as such, but I couldnt find an official 46 bug thread. This thread sounded like the closest thing, so...

1)The fuel guages on the FW190 and Ta152 series dont tally with the fuel loadout chosen in the Custom menu. If I take 50% fuel in a FW the guage shows just less than 3/4 full. If I choose 50% in the Ta152C the guage shows a full tank. In the FW single mission N2 I took 50% fuel but the guage showed full tank and doesnt go down at all, like its stuck on unlimited fuel.

2)The Ta183 has no variometer needle.

3)The Readme in my install is empty. The file is there, its called ReadmePF.rtf and Windows tells me its 323kb but theres nothing in it. I have read posts from people quoting the Readme but mine is blank. Not sure if its a bug or just a bad install on my part.

KG66_Gog
12-18-2006, 12:34 AM
Round 2!

Cut the crapola about NG and the lack of the Avenger!

Give us details on what NG's stance was, why they restricted use of the licence.

Let the community know what NG said and we'll take the fight to them and stop pestering you (<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b]) with it!

Make some decent short films (made by the best of the community film makers) advertising this product and get them out into the world via Youtube, its free fer criztsake!

Have you considered Cinema advertising, I've heard its a lot cheaper than TV.

What about merchandise? There are sweatshops all over China just waiting for your order of 100,000 t-shirts and coffee cups, it will probably set you back $8.75 for the lot but I reckon you'll make a profit!

There, that's all for now....did I mention Northrop Grumman? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Phil_C
12-18-2006, 01:20 AM
IDk why companies feel the need to screw the hobbiest over..

i worked in a hobbystore for the ebtter part of 11 years while growing up (well till about 2 years ago when i was 25 too lol)

and over that time we saw a lot of real railroads go the way of the merger, and BNSF and Union Pacific both jacked up the fees for using the image or logo of a railroad that had been merged into them, not only recently, but as far back as the 60s... which IMHO, is total horse stinkies. people who have a model railroad layout arent spending the time and money to exploit a given company in a bad way, and neither is the avid computer simulator pilot.

im not going to go out tomorrow, and steal an avenger (well there are a few left here on Long Island) and try to hurt people... its a museum piece, and IMHO something that old which has had its "killing power" removed cant be harmful (well to anyone but those who fly in it and if, god forbid it crashes).

let us have some fun with a classic warbird please..

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csThor
12-18-2006, 02:06 AM
This is also about marketing? Good. *rubs hands in glee* I've got a few things to say. For the Il-2 line it's too late so this applies to SoW.

I wonder if Ubisoft realizes that marketing has to adapt to the target audience - not the target audience has to adapt to the marketing. We simheads are a different bunch than those shooter kiddies - we aren't fancied by some flashy graphics or overblown comic explosion effects. A nice face doesn't mean the character is there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

So what does that mean for marketing and presentation? Simple answer - K.I.S.S. ... We simheads are interested in the content of the game and not just myriads of screenshots or - as I said - flashy graphic effects on the website. We are interested in history so try to adapt the presentation to catch the feeling of the 1940s. The colours, the structure, the fonts - all of the website and the product (box and documentation) have to breathe history. That is what creates immersion and immersion is what separates a good simulation from a lousy one. The environment and presentation are as important as a good FM/DM.

Documentation ... I know the times of a Falcon 4 sized manual in the box are over, but at least offer a decent one for download or as real book for purchase. I would not mind paying some money for a decent leather-bound manual which really goes into the topic of the Battle of Britain, the aircraft and their systems.

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Friendly_flyer
12-18-2006, 02:14 AM
I would really, really like a t-shirt with a big version of the origianl IL2 logo on it. It is one of the most elegant designs in gaming for a decade, and it's unbeliveable that such a t-shirt is not orderable via the website!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
12-18-2006, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by csThorhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifocumentation ... I know the times of a Falcon 4 sized manual in the box are over, but at least offer a decent one for download or as real book for purchase. I would not mind paying some money for a decent leather-bound manual which really goes into the topic of the Battle of Britain, the aircraft and their systems.



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif does ".pdf" mean anything to you,<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b]?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Phil_C
12-18-2006, 02:25 AM
We are interested in history so try to adapt the presentation to catch the feeling of the 1940s



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Oh and PDF manuals are ok, but i hate sitting staring at the computer trying to read hundreds of pages of information that i want to enjoy, bookmark and notate..

plus who wants to waste ink and their own paper printing out a 200 page PDF File?


not that theres anything wrong with them, but that 99.9% of the reason i only download historical missions and historicaly based campaigns.

yea the fictional ones are good to play but its not what i really like about this program<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BinaryFalcon
12-18-2006, 08:02 AM
Here's a revised and possibly shorter version of my original, lost post on 1946:

Ubisoft, why do you NOT want me to buy this?

At least I can only assume this is the case based on your actions.

1. For starters, 1946 isn't even being offered in the US. That alone sends a very clear "We don't want to sell this to you" message.

However, in this day and age importing things is much easier, so if we overlook the simple fact that <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] has chosen to not make this available at all in the US, it is a problem that is somewhat easily overcome. But the point is, I shouldn't be required to do this.

Related to point 1, although largely out of Ubi's control (except for the fact that they created the situation to begin with), Cost of importing 1946. It's too much. $50 per copy (and I'd need two, because I have 2 machines) when nothing else in the series has ever cost more than $40 is just too expensive, especially when we all know the product is end of life (EOL) at this point.

Now I'll be one of the first to admit we've gotten an amazing amount of support and free content, and it has been a good, long run for this series, but that doesn't change the fact that the basic IL-2 code has been out there in some form at retail for what, roughly 7 years now? Again, I'm NOT at all complaining about the terrific support, I believe it has set a record benchmark in the industry that I never expect anyone else will match, but $50 for a final expansion with everything on DVD is, much as I hate to say it, more than it's worth at this point. If I could pick up 1946 locally for around $30, I'd do it. Importing I'd probably go as high as $40. $50 is right out.

3. Securom. I'm not including this one to be "trendy" or hop on the bandwagon. It bothers me. And when I say that, I mean "Above all else, THIS is the absolute deal-breaker".

I have a personal hatred for key-disk type copy protections. I have ever since I lost a rather expensive sim to a keydisk system coupled with a faulty installer back in the mid 1980s.

I'm installing 4+ GB of data to a hard drive, there is no valid reason to require the disc every time I want to play. That's why we have hard drives in the first place. A PC is not a console. Crazy as it sounds, if I have to be bothered to swap discs every time I want to play something else, I'm far more inclined to just go play on one of my console systems.

Beyond that, should I happen to lose the disc or it becomes damaged, I'm stuck. The game will be there on my HDD, but I won't be able to play it. Now, I know the common response is, "Well, be careful with it and don't lose it", but that's not the point. That it could happen at all makes keydisk unacceptable, nevermind the fact that I've only had it happen once in nearly 30 years of gaming.

Finally, and this is what truly sets me off the most about Securom, is the blatant implication that I am a pirate and not a paying customer.

Dress it up or apologize or try to rationalize it any way you like, but boiled down, that's precisely what the use of Securom says to me.

As someone who has purchased no less than two copies each of IL-2, Forgotten Battles, the Deluxe Russian version of FB, AEP and Pacfic Fighters, the addition of Securom to 1946 is put bluntly, extremely insulting.

I've spent roughly $400 on software for this series and Ubi's response isn't "thank you", it's "We believe you're basically dishonest, so we're going to force you to prove you've paid for 1946 every single time you want to play."

As I'm sure <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] (and everyone else) is aware, Securom is only annoying your honest, paying customers. If I were basically dishonest as you seem to believe, over the history of the series I wouldn't have purchased one copy of the software, let alone two copies each for two different machines.

I love the IL-2 series. I want to support the IL-2 series. I have extensively supported the series in the past directly through my own purchases, and indirectly supported it through numerous recommendations to others over the years.

But with this, you've lost me.

Put simply,

Ubisoft, I want to buy 1946, but your actions as listed above make it clear that you do not want me to.

Sell it in the US for a reasonable price and without such "copy protection" and I will be one of the first in line to buy it - twice!

Until then, you've lost multiple sales, and I find that disappointing for both of us.

Chuck_Older
12-18-2006, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by Akronnick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThorhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifocumentation ... I know the times of a Falcon 4 sized manual in the box are over, but at least offer a decent one for download or as real book for purchase. I would not mind paying some money for a decent leather-bound manual which really goes into the topic of the Battle of Britain, the aircraft and their systems.



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif does ".pdf" mean anything to you,<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b]? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great solution that <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] doesn???t even have to be involved with-

Take the pdf to your local printing place like Kinkos. Have them print and bind it for you<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
12-18-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We are interested in history so try to adapt the presentation to catch the feeling of the 1940s



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Oh and PDF manuals are ok, but i hate sitting staring at the computer trying to read hundreds of pages of information that i want to enjoy, bookmark and notate..

plus who wants to waste ink and their own paper printing out a 200 page PDF File?


not that theres anything wrong with them, but that 99.9% of the reason i only download historical missions and historicaly based campaigns.

yea the fictional ones are good to play but its not what i really like about this program </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need to in the 21st century http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif See my previous post<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Uther
12-18-2006, 08:54 AM
Controversial: Apparently the Russian version of the '46 DVD can be run without the DVD in the drive.I personally have no problem with copy protection,but it would be nice to have a way of playing without the DVD in once the game is installed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
12-18-2006, 09:01 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Ok, well in the "VENT 1", I stated I had no <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi issue...Which at that time I did not. Also, tried to request upon gaining an issue to get an address to contact <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] formally without response. So sadly will put it here.

Though I'm sure Ubisoft has their reasons for not marketing in the U.S. 1946, in fact it seeming as though the two places here having it going out of their way to get it, found that for myself was a "non-issue" why sweat it......All until some sim friends of mine were suddenly questioning getting 1946, simply to say we do not appreciate your lack of regard.

That makes it personal to me...So here we are.

Whatever the reason of no matter. Yet simply an explination "requested". As frankly though Ubisoft is in no way obligated to do so, it simply makes for responsible sales practices, consumer relations and good business. The West makes up a significant market of "loyal" consumers. Though I personally in no way see that as a point of additional clout as even a single consumer in my mind deserves attention, it makes for a poor stratagy for future sales, yet more so is inconsiderate.

No "appology" requested, simply keeping your customer base informed, that's it. If not now, eventually there WILL be options to <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] products. Oleg Maddox has with his limited time and by no means responsibility done a wonderful job at generating and maintaining a customer base for you Ubisoft. Yet this issue is your responsibility, this your part in the IL2 series, to maintain that base pertaining to distribution, and to that end if an issue arrises informing that base who so readily helps generate your revenue.

Once again, when on simple principle my enjoyment of this fine sim developed by Maddox Games is sullied due to the loss of those I fly with, due to simple uncaring by the distributor, for me it then becomes personal as well.........I urge you to rectify this lack of attention.

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Sharpe26
12-18-2006, 09:17 AM
<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] you even have a precedent about those manuals. Remember the Leatherbound Lockon extensive manual?

I too am interested about the why nots from Grumman Northrop. It would be very interesting to shed some more light on that.And more importantly, will <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] prevent it from ever occuring again?

Phil_C
12-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We are interested in history so try to adapt the presentation to catch the feeling of the 1940s



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif


Oh and PDF manuals are ok, but i hate sitting staring at the computer trying to read hundreds of pages of information that i want to enjoy, bookmark and notate..

plus who wants to waste ink and their own paper printing out a 200 page PDF File?


not that theres anything wrong with them, but that 99.9% of the reason i only download historical missions and historicaly based campaigns.

yea the fictional ones are good to play but its not what i really like about this program </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need to in the 21st century http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif See my previous post </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


im still not paying to have that printed...back in the day i remember that it was almost as much fun playing as it was reading the manual. I still have all my Janes manuals, starting with USNF, marine fighters, USNF '97 and so on...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MrMojok
12-18-2006, 06:48 PM
I am torn on the concept of the disk-checking.

I fully realize a company's need to protect their investment from piracy. How worthwhile their efforts are to do so, I don't know.

My dvd-rom drive spins very fast and is noisy. I've been worrying about it breaking itself for a while-- this is not Ubi's problem, I know.

I always thought the rts.dll situation was a great thing. Very convenient to keep the disk safe in a drawer somewhere.

I have preordered '46... I must confess I hope someday there will be an rts.dll-type 'fix' for it too.

I know what I sound like, but be advised-- in my game drawer I have a copy of pacific fighters, a copy of the IL-2 'Gold' pack, and the all-in-one dvd that came out a few months ago-- still in its package unopened, because I was already patched up current through boonty. I am no software thief.

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Heavy_Weather
12-18-2006, 07:35 PM
well, i would like 6DOF in this title but i guess i would have to take that up with Natural Point 8(<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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T_O_A_D
12-18-2006, 07:48 PM
For the love of God I'm not going to moderate this one. <

TAW_Oilburner
12-18-2006, 08:35 PM
1-Avenger Cockpit. WTF.
2-Please take my money, PLEASE!!! With Iran dumping dollars on the market you'll get a bunch of it, too!!!

Nimits
12-18-2006, 08:40 PM
Controversial: Apparently the Russian version of the '46 DVD can be run without the DVD in the drive.I personally have no problem with copy protection,but it would be nice to have a way of playing without the DVD in once the game is installed.

Whichm if true, is very ironic, considering that the Russia and the other old Eastern Bloc/Soviet nations are some of the world's leaders in software piracy . . .

steve_v
12-18-2006, 08:58 PM
Please vent, not discuss defeating copy protection. I have to moderate if you do. Thanks.

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12-18-2006, 09:56 PM
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Akronnick
12-19-2006, 11:27 AM
How did this fall off the the first page?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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T_O_A_D
12-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Too many Satisfied Customers I guess.

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Lemky
12-19-2006, 09:11 PM
The best thing is I do not have to keep checking my Local store for a copy,because I am a Canadian and understand it will not be there.<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] soft you are really killing the sales,release before Xmas and not a copy to be found.Why should I have to order on line and have to pay postage.
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Bearcat99
12-19-2006, 09:54 PM
To reiterate what I posted in the 1st thread.

1.<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] marketing.. particularly of this sim. Terrible. This sim sells itself. I see no reson why especially with shows like Dogfights on The History Channel, the upcoming The Few, the overal renewed intrest in aircraft..... for the first time within the past 12 months I have seen are races on TV for goodness sake.... why cant <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] market there? The same thing wit marketing to the U.S. You have a huge fan base for this sim in the U.S. ready and willing walking advertisements... why NOT use them. I can almost gaurantee that if you marketed IL2 material.... T-shirts, mugs.. whathave you.... even if it was On Demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Print_on_Demand) to cut overhead... it would sell to some extent.

2. On that note........ why in the world would you release 1C products.....weeks apart... it makes no sense. You invite the very thing that you try to prevent with things like Boponty Box and SecuROM...... I understand the need for CP... but you release a GREAT product... with a ready built fan base, that is growing almost daily I might add..... not only staggerred which is INSANE.... but staggered by weeks NOT days. That just makes no sense. You invite the very thing you are trying to prevent and accomplish nothing in the process. If you released BoB within 7 days world wide...or better yet.. within the same 48 hour period world wide I bet you would see much greater sales in the long run than you have with any 1C release to date. I gaurantee it.

3.CP...... If nothing else this series has blatantly shown why CP is needed. I understand that. What I dont understand is :
A)Why does any CP scheme have to have any effect on the use of anyones PC in relation to non CPd product activities. No CP scheme should effect the way my PC runs. IMO a good CP scheme might be to make it so that you cannot copy a disk unless you are connected to the internet for validation and the disk is in the drive. That would not stop a person from backing up thier software.. which is our right, and although it wouldnt totally prevent things like copying disks.... however if someone had 200 backups of the same product... well.. there's a red flag for you. Cut em off. If nothing else it would certainly not be the same as the humongous numbers of illegally obtained copies that we see... and we may not talk about it but everybody knows about that elephant in the room. I am of the belief that there will always be people who will get something for nothing if they can..... and at the same time there are even more people who would have no qualms about paying for something if they got thier money's worth. This sim is that and more.
B)No CP scheme should reqire a user to have to get new hardware. For the meium sure... you want a DVD product.. well you have to get a DVD device.... but why should I have to get a new DVD drive because my old one, which does everything I want it to do fine....will not pass the CP test. That is so bogus.

4.The snubbing of the U.S. market..... you are making a WWII product and you snub the U.S. market over and over and over. Not very smart. Sure we have too may lawyers, and yeah we do beat our chests a tad..... but we have a lot of folks with disposable income. Suck it up and use your heads. Unless in this case it is a direct issue of some behind the scenes hanky panky that none of us are privvy to. Otherwise it is just poor judgement.

I cant speak for your other stuff.... this sim is really all I do as far as regular obsessive gaming goes..... but the product is good.... better than good. This is the premier WWI flight sim on the market.. and from what I have seen in here and with previews of BoB 1C will be holding onto that crown for a while. Be smart and feed the goose. I know it isnt as big as some of your other stuff... but lkke I said.. we flight simmers in general, not just American ones tend to be older, more finicky, more astute and with a lot more disposable income than many segments. We dont need our parents ...... we are the parents.... this is for us.. so stop taking us flight simmers for granted. You take hits everytime a product comes out and then you wonder why you have some of the problems you do. Make it easier instead of harder to legally and quickly obtain flight sims.. and all your software really..... and you will bejhappier in the long run.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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La7_brook
12-19-2006, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by csThor:
This is also about marketing? Good. *rubs hands in glee* I've got a few things to say. For the Il-2 line it's too late so this applies to SoW.

I wonder if Ubisoft realizes that marketing has to adapt to the target audience - not the target audience has to adapt to the marketing. We simheads are a different bunch than those shooter kiddies - we aren't fancied by some flashy graphics or overblown comic explosion effects. A nice face doesn't mean the character is there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

So what does that mean for marketing and presentation? Simple answer - K.I.S.S. ... We simheads are interested in the content of the game and not just myriads of screenshots or - as I said - flashy graphic effects on the website. We are interested in history so try to adapt the presentation to catch the feeling of the 1940s. The colours, the structure, the fonts - all of the website and the product (box and documentation) have to breathe history. That is what creates immersion and immersion is what separates a good simulation from a lousy one. The environment and presentation are as important as a good FM/DM.

Documentation ... I know the times of a Falcon 4 sized manual in the box are over, but at least offer a decent one for download or as real book for purchase. I would not mind paying some money for a decent leather-bound manual which really goes into the topic of the Battle of Britain, the aircraft and their systems.

That's all for now ... I hope it gives the publisher some food for thought. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

NonWonderDog
12-20-2006, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Akronnick:
How did this fall off the the first page?

Steve locked for a while after Heavy_Weather posted that smiley, quoting the smiley. Maybe he had to edit something naughty. Or maybe not.

VonKlugermon
12-20-2006, 01:01 PM
Fix the torpedoes!

Online: You line up, drop the torp, then scramble to escape. The torp is running straight and true, right towards mid-ship of a big fat carrier! Arrgh, you take a hit from the CAP and tumble into the ocean. Meanwhile, your torp smacks the carrier and....nothing! No damage! WTF! It shouldn't matter if you are alive or dead AFTER you drop the torp, it should still do the same amount of damage!

OK, I'm done, for now!

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Akronnick
12-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Akronnick:
How did this fall off the the first page?

Steve locked for a while after Heavy_Weather posted that smiley, quoting the smiley. Maybe he had to edit something naughty. Or maybe not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I know, I just didn't feel like saying "bump."<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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